/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif I still like Kiley's name a little better; it seems to give the right mental picture. REMEMBER....the scumbag got to the white house by being vague....like he said the words: "Medicare. Medicade, Education and the Environment" over...and over...and over. He never said ANYTHING about them....but let those who were listening attach THEIR OWN mental agenda to those words, and thus think he was going to do something for THEM! If you listen carefully to his speeches, he never says ANYTHING specific.....leting selfish Americans attach their own selfish agenda to whatever he is blabbing about. It works....the scumbag is a past master at lying and telling stupid idiot democrat liberal homosexual commies what they want to hear, and they think the scumbag is their hero./wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif

CJDave

 

Good Job coming up with names. I agree with CJDAVE about liking Kiley's name the most so far. I say that we adopt "Outdoor America" as the name of the group. It includes everybody outdoors, conveys a nice message, and sounds like something thaat the average american would like to join. Does anybody else agree or disagree.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

I am willing to put this on my Newly painted Jeep. If this is adopted, I will have my brother-in-law who does graphics to add it to my tire cover next to "Nothing to Plunder".

 

That would be great to have a logo to go with the name. Liberal democrats seem to want more government control in our lives. It seems to be contradictory to the premise this country was founded on. Our rights should end only when they infringe upon others rights. I have gone to Jeep Jamboree’s hosted by Jeep Jamboree USA and they set the perfect example of restore roads after use and fixing area’s damaged in natural disasters. If someone has connections with them, it would be wise to get them involved. They have had many years of experience with this and the towns that host them love it. Everyone comes out for the morning parade and waves to the Jeeps.

This whole thread has made me think to invite my locale news station to come and join a Jamboree. As humans I think we fear what we don’t know or understand. If Mr. & Mrs. America saw their local newscaster (that they watch every night and probably respect) on a trail ride with commentary it would open eyes. People need to know that we don’t go out there and tear up the country, scar the animals, and throw our beer cans in the woods. Most Jeepers I know will pick up trash they find out on the trail. This is not how the public see us.

Too often in this country you have a small group of people, that mean well but are uninformed, dictate to us what we can and can’t do. When I was growing up we aspired to be like the president, it was the quintessential position of respect and achievement. Now kids think it's a job that you can score chicks with. As a nation we don’t like to address the problems, only the symptoms. When there’s a shooting we want to ban all the guns instead of focusing on the issue, improving our work places / schools to handle mental strains people now have.


'83 CJ7 258 i6 31x10.5 3in. lift?

 

I'll let you know if this is adopted. I think it has a good chance. I like the "Nothing to Plunder" saying; we should have something like that. Any ideas. Also I am working on a picture for a decal or something like that. I was thinking of mountains ,with an eagle flying by, in the background with a lake in the middle with somebody canoeing, and in the foreground a green field with a family around a camp fire or picnic and their 4wd of to the side possible with dirtbikes by their SUV. I think this would be good because of the family part of it. Also it shows a the soft side of the organization. This should help to get the attention of people that aren't hardcore 4wd people, but the people that ssometimes get out, and who want to give their kids a chance to experiance this. Around the picture would be our name and our saying. I don't have a picture yet, but if I can draw one and get it scanned I'll post it. Also any other ideas would be great. We don't have to use my design if somebody can come up with something better. Tell me what you think.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

The "Nothing to Plunder" is a good saying, I would watch out for negative catch words /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif . CJDave mentioned good catch words in a earlier post. The word PLUNDER /wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif offers negative thoughts. /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif

'83 CJ7 258 i6 31x10.5 3in. lift?

 

I am a Parrott Head and I have put this on rear of my Jeep. Seee at following web site:www.off-road.com/~wsjc , then select Jeep pictures, then Brian Wilson. It came from the song :"A Pirate Looks at 40". It is my favorite song. Maybe we could get Jimmy Buffett to take up our cause like he did with the Manatee(Sea Cow). Any way the cover picture is on this site. My brother-in-law used toon font to produce it.When I come out of the paint booth it will be Pacific Blue, a 90 Wrangler color. More in keeping with my nautical motif.

 

Now that we have a name, what about a date. Unless I'm blind, I didn't notice any dates yet. Also, all 4x web pages need to point to one to explain what this is all about. As soon as I know a date, I'll be faxing every local 4x shop so they can post it for everyone to see.

Shawn
ORC Chevy Editor
87 K5

 

I agree. I consider myself reasonably intelligient, and "Nothing to Plunder", well, it seems vague. What does it mean? I see a 4x4 dude bitching because he has "Nothing left to plunder". That's not a good image.

Marc
Contagious Racing

 

/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif Tim....just a thought....in the last issue of the Jeep factory magazine there was a moonguy /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gifwith a three-day old beard stubble./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif Everyone knows the happy face,/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif how about using the "weekend" happy face on our decal and somehow integrate it with the outdoors. Also....despite the fact that we LOVE our dirt biker buddies, THAT IS something that the general public hates intensely,...off-road motorcycles, and the noise and damage they do. Hey....I appreciate the way you have taken this thread along, Tim. This is an important task. Just today they had a media thing with the dirtbag's lackey the davidian killer, and she was saying how important is is now to "Get those guns". Personally, I like what Dana said(I think it was Dana) way back on the other page...."I don't trust any government that I can't shoot at." I ESPECIALLY don't trust that lying scumbag and HIS missile secret-selling bunch of perverts./wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif

CJDave

 

I agree with you about being allowed to keep our guns, but since the public doesn't seem to like them they could be a bad idea. Your probably right about the dirtbike thing also. We need to include them in the group, but we probably should keep a dirtbike off the logo if it is going to be a family thing (No offense). I like the happy face thing, but I'm not sure how to include it in the outdoors. The logo might be a hit with little kids who would influence their parents. If you can think of a way let me know.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif Oh, positively, we don't want to confuse this with the gun issue, because this is about ACCESS, and enjoying the OUTDOORS....with FAMILIES. Staying single-focused is good. Also, give this thread more time, start another so it doesn't get too clumsy, and see what develops on a logo. I have always thought that if you haven't thought up and rejected at least five ideas, you probably don't have the right one. Shift down a gear, and see how this comes together...ideas are gold. Ideas are where you find them./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

CJDave

 

it might be a good idea if we consolidate these two stings into one. Either we move all discussion to this string, or bring it back to grim reaper's. Just a suggestion so we don't get split up in discussion.

MudFlap 87 YJ POS!!

 

Your right about moving it to one place. It would make it alot easier to keep track of things. Do you want to move to grim reaper, stay here, or start another post and stop using these. Dave, Mark what do you think.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

Skiers should be included too. check this out: http://www.skinet.com/magazines/ski/feature/99/431.html
Groups to include:all 4X4 owners, motorcycles,smowmobiles,hikers, campers,hunters,fishermen, boy scouts, cub scouts, girl scouts,skiers/snowboarders,boaters.
People to get to help fund this. ANYONE who sells/provides services to any of these groups.

 

I agree with you 100%. I'm in. I've already e-mailed our wonderful senators, boxer and feinstein. They, invariably, haven't replied to their constituant.

However, Buck Mckeon has, and is conservative, and has indicated that he "understands" our plight.

As a skiier, hiker, dirt-biker, jet-skier, off-roader, SUV owner, dog owner, cat owner, gun owner, (can I still even OWN a gun in CA?) ;o) I am in for this...
let me know when to drive to Sacramento.

Also: any local LA clubs that help clean up trails?

Work locally, think globally.

YJ94
94 YJ, I6, 3.5" Black Diamond, still working
peasejeep@hotmail.com

 

Good job e-mailing your congressmen. We will include everybody that we can into this group. We'll let people know when the rally is, but we will get the organization running first so we can get support from other organizations and so we can really get this organized (the rate that this is going it shouldn't be too long to get it up at this rate). Thanks for the support.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

Check out this site for general info:
http://www.ufwda.org/

This is off-road.com's info line: look up your area, and contact who you need to to STOP the greenies from taking over the world...
http://
[url]http://www.off-road.com/orcland.html
[/URL]
Act local!

YJ94
I6, 3.5" Black Diamond lift & more to come
peasejeep@hotmail.com

 

Both of these organizations have shown interest in our new group "Outdoor America". I still recomend that individuals contact their congressmen. Thanks for posting more info.

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

I'm not real creative, so no input on the logo or name. But, I just want to remind everyone to bring this to your club's attention, it seems to me the majority of the people that use this board are affiliated with some organization. We had some discussion last month at our club meeting concerning closures in our area, so I can be reasonably certain the Rock Garden 4 Wheelers will be interested on Tues.

Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)

 

How does the attached pic look for a logo, 2nd try, first just sucked, most of my first images do though... check it out, criticism is good, and so are ideas....

Thanks,
Peter Lombardi
'89 YJ

 

add a little red to give it a patriotic feel. that is a good start.

dan

 

Thanks, I will do that, and I think I switched it around, I think that it was suposed to be Outdoor America, not American Outdoors, ooops, easily fixed...

Thanks,
I'll fix it and repost the new one...

 

Good start for the logo. I'm working on one that is alot more complicated, so we'll go with your's for now (I suck at drawing, so it takes a while for me to make something good).

Tim Springer
1980 CJ7

 

Thats ok Tim, I understand the frustration, lol... here are 1 more w/ a little red, not quite sure how to add more w/o complicating it, and I was trying to keep it less complicated.... and then there's one w/ out the red but w/ the corrected name