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12000 lbs on a jeep? dang.. i dont think you quite need that much... go with twice your vehicles weight.. i myself have a warn 8000i and love it. but i think between the ramsey and warn. just personal prefernce.. they are about the same.. both have pros and cons.. but i like warn their customer service has aloways been outstanding with me.

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