What cool people. They sell their car, but an "SUV" and destroy trails like this:
http://www.burntorangedesign.com/xterra/pine/
http://www.burntorangedesign.com/xterra/pine/
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I suffered through this guys whole site to get to his e-mail address. mpeckham@mindspring.com
here is a link to his site (if you can stomach it!) http://www.burntorangedesign.com/xterra/pine/
Let him know what you think!!!
Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
1999 Dakota 4x4
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here is a link to his site (if you can stomach it!) http://www.burntorangedesign.com/xterra/pine/
Let him know what you think!!!
Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
1999 Dakota 4x4
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If only we could outlaw stupid people with more money than brains.........
What a wonderful world that would be.
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John
95.5 YJ with "stuff"
http://SonsofThunder4x4.com
What a wonderful world that would be.
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John
95.5 YJ with "stuff"
http://SonsofThunder4x4.com
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I like the idea of outlawing "stupid". Remember Gallagher? The comedian who clobbers watermelons? Anyhow, in one of his routines, he said that instead of the State Patrol using radar guns, they should issue toy pistols with those suction cup darts & little "stupid" signs to all drivers. Then, when you see someone's seatbelt hanging out of the door making sparks on the pavement, or driving across a bridge with the turn signal on, you could stick a "stupid" sign on their car. Once a car accumulates 4 or 5 "stupid" signs, the Highway Patrol would pull them over & issue a ticket. Not too practical, but I REALLY like it in theory /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif.
TEX
/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif Got Mud?
G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
TEX
/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif Got Mud?
G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
I guess I don't really understand what is wrong with what these guys do...I mean so they have a bunch of money to buy a new Xterra...Are you jealous or something???...I mean I can see that is a bad thing if they were tresspassing on private property...Also how do you know that it isn't private property they are allowed to use or that this area is a designated ORV park...I guess I would like to know exactly know what they did wrong...
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Looks like a Toyota or chevy commercial to me./wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif
Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)
Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)
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We don't have too many places to four wheel in New Jersey, and with idiots like this there won't be anywhere left.
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I am confussed on what is going on?? If these people want to beat on there brand new vehicles all the power to them! that they proboblly still have a loan on its there buiseness, whats the diffrence between them or somone who buys a brand new tj and wheels with a it??
How can these people cause official's to close the trail???????????
yeah it does kind of look like a comercial though!!
83cj7
84cj7
How can these people cause official's to close the trail???????????
yeah it does kind of look like a comercial though!!
83cj7
84cj7
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Well, I do have to say that having to click through all those pictures was torture, not because of the the pictures, but because there
was no way to skip them.
After looking at each and everyone of those pictues I think that people are complaining, because pictures show these SUV running
over the "tread lightly" motto. The main thing that they are doing is damaging the river/stream they are driving through. When you
go splashing through a river you do the following: you run things over (aka dead fish, plants, etc), you kick up silt that chokes fish
and blocks light from getting to plants (aka dead fish, plants, etc), and you disrupt the life cycles of fish and animals, so that they can
have trouble breeding and eating.
What is comes down to is for everytime you go splashing through a river you are KILLING fish and animals. This may be play for us,
but it is there lives.
Ethan
was no way to skip them.
After looking at each and everyone of those pictues I think that people are complaining, because pictures show these SUV running
over the "tread lightly" motto. The main thing that they are doing is damaging the river/stream they are driving through. When you
go splashing through a river you do the following: you run things over (aka dead fish, plants, etc), you kick up silt that chokes fish
and blocks light from getting to plants (aka dead fish, plants, etc), and you disrupt the life cycles of fish and animals, so that they can
have trouble breeding and eating.
What is comes down to is for everytime you go splashing through a river you are KILLING fish and animals. This may be play for us,
but it is there lives.
Ethan
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I think the pics on that site look worse than they actually are. I do a lot of wheeling in the Pines & I'm pretty sure everything they drove through was standing water (no streams or rivers). Either way, there's no need to try to tear up the forest. They are just making the sport look bad.
Mark
JeepEast.com
Mark
JeepEast.com
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
Hay I E-mailed this guy and exchanged a few mails and explained why his site was used as a bad example. The guy was very receptive and understood. He really seemed like a nice guy and he had never met these folks before the ride. He's new to the sport and just needs a wake up call not a linching! He's a photo buff and didn't relize th potental conflict. Give the guy some time to figure it out and don't send the hate mail. Why send hate mail when you can teach them why and have an ali?
Grim-Reaper
Hay I E-mailed this guy and exchanged a few mails and explained why his site was used as a bad example. The guy was very receptive and understood. He really seemed like a nice guy and he had never met these folks before the ride. He's new to the sport and just needs a wake up call not a linching! He's a photo buff and didn't relize th potental conflict. Give the guy some time to figure it out and don't send the hate mail. Why send hate mail when you can teach them why and have an ali?
Grim-Reaper
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
I just looked at those pics again, and they were blasting through streams. Maybe they caused more damage than I thought.
Mark
http://JeepEast.com
I just looked at those pics again, and they were blasting through streams. Maybe they caused more damage than I thought.
Mark
http://JeepEast.com
Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif You know what? You can make a lot more friends with a smile and a kind word than you can with a .38 and believe me, I am a real fan of six shooters. It's just that you need SOMETHING ELSE at times./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
CJDave
/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif You know what? You can make a lot more friends with a smile and a kind word than you can with a .38 and believe me, I am a real fan of six shooters. It's just that you need SOMETHING ELSE at times./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
CJDave
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
The pictures didn't look that bad. We've all gone through rivers or ponds before. I personally like to crawl, it lets me enjoy the experience as well as the passengers. It looked like the trail went through the water. It would have really pissed me off if they went tearing up the land off the trail, but in all the pictures they seem to be on the trail. I think we've all torn up a trail once or twice, I have been in spots where I needed to hit it and the mud went flying. At least it's on the trail. They look like they hammed it up for the camera. Just my 2 cents, that's not the way I drive, but I'd stop and chat with them on the trail.
'83 CJ7 258 i6 31x10.5 3in. lift?
The pictures didn't look that bad. We've all gone through rivers or ponds before. I personally like to crawl, it lets me enjoy the experience as well as the passengers. It looked like the trail went through the water. It would have really pissed me off if they went tearing up the land off the trail, but in all the pictures they seem to be on the trail. I think we've all torn up a trail once or twice, I have been in spots where I needed to hit it and the mud went flying. At least it's on the trail. They look like they hammed it up for the camera. Just my 2 cents, that's not the way I drive, but I'd stop and chat with them on the trail.
'83 CJ7 258 i6 31x10.5 3in. lift?
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
I have been following the posts on the issue of my site and have decided it is about time to respond.
I have been thinking about the possible effects of my actions this weekend and I am in the process (it'll take a while since I'll be out of town) of updating the site and removing most of the offending images so as not to further hurt the cause. I met up with a couple guys who I have been chatting with for some time online with but had never met. They were expecting a little more technical ride and I guess they were disappointed when we realized the area we went to had zero hills or anything even remotely technical. We started taking photos of the guys going through puddles. Our boyish instincts got the better of us. We were in an area that was hardpacked sand a few feet above the level of a marshy area so I can only guess that the puddles were just the natural water level and the bottoms were solid sand. no mud there, just brownish backwater. most of the stuff being splashed around was leaves and water. I admit there were a couple of places that were soft bottomed and we probably contributed to the damage, for this I apologize. I also apologize for the stream crossing when there was a valid bridge next to it, but our trucks were not all covered in mud just a little of the sand that had stuck. Mine is the yellow Xterra and if you saw my streamcrossing it was at a low enough speed so as to cause as little harm to the streambed as possible. Our actions were easily scrutinized, but that is because we didn't take photos of the trails that we cleared or the trash we collected. I guess the action shots are a lot more interesting and since we didn't have any vertical areas to climb our photos leaned more on splashing through puddles. By the way, the fire road racing was just riding along a trail in an open area single file, we were not racing like the Dukes of Hazzard or anything.
I will mend my ways and add the tread lightly logo to my site and a page that states a disclaimer that this kind of behavior should not be copied or idolized. I guess we saw one too many commercials. I was pleased with the photos though, they really had a sense of action which I haven't seen on other sites. Maybe this is the reason.
Matt Peckham
mpeckham@mindspring.com
I have been following the posts on the issue of my site and have decided it is about time to respond.
I have been thinking about the possible effects of my actions this weekend and I am in the process (it'll take a while since I'll be out of town) of updating the site and removing most of the offending images so as not to further hurt the cause. I met up with a couple guys who I have been chatting with for some time online with but had never met. They were expecting a little more technical ride and I guess they were disappointed when we realized the area we went to had zero hills or anything even remotely technical. We started taking photos of the guys going through puddles. Our boyish instincts got the better of us. We were in an area that was hardpacked sand a few feet above the level of a marshy area so I can only guess that the puddles were just the natural water level and the bottoms were solid sand. no mud there, just brownish backwater. most of the stuff being splashed around was leaves and water. I admit there were a couple of places that were soft bottomed and we probably contributed to the damage, for this I apologize. I also apologize for the stream crossing when there was a valid bridge next to it, but our trucks were not all covered in mud just a little of the sand that had stuck. Mine is the yellow Xterra and if you saw my streamcrossing it was at a low enough speed so as to cause as little harm to the streambed as possible. Our actions were easily scrutinized, but that is because we didn't take photos of the trails that we cleared or the trash we collected. I guess the action shots are a lot more interesting and since we didn't have any vertical areas to climb our photos leaned more on splashing through puddles. By the way, the fire road racing was just riding along a trail in an open area single file, we were not racing like the Dukes of Hazzard or anything.
I will mend my ways and add the tread lightly logo to my site and a page that states a disclaimer that this kind of behavior should not be copied or idolized. I guess we saw one too many commercials. I was pleased with the photos though, they really had a sense of action which I haven't seen on other sites. Maybe this is the reason.
Matt Peckham
mpeckham@mindspring.com
Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
The photography was great. The subject matter is controversial. Join one of the Jersey clubs, every club needs a good photographer on a run, especially on that can wheel. There are only 3 things I miss about since leaving New Jersey: the Jersey shore, the Pine Barrens and a young lady named Monique.
The photography was great. The subject matter is controversial. Join one of the Jersey clubs, every club needs a good photographer on a run, especially on that can wheel. There are only 3 things I miss about since leaving New Jersey: the Jersey shore, the Pine Barrens and a young lady named Monique.
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
Matt thanks for posting a follow up about this. I am glad to hear the other side of the story, and see that it was maybe not as bad as
it looked. It is very easy to just bash someone when you only hear one side of a story.
Good luck with the photography. Once I finish paying for my CJ rebuild that is thing I am interested in checking out.
Thanks,
Ethan
Matt thanks for posting a follow up about this. I am glad to hear the other side of the story, and see that it was maybe not as bad as
it looked. It is very easy to just bash someone when you only hear one side of a story.
Good luck with the photography. Once I finish paying for my CJ rebuild that is thing I am interested in checking out.
Thanks,
Ethan
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
It is good to see that you came and read the responces about your web site. Even though most were pretty critical of the photos you still understand why everyone was upset, with all the trail closures going on from similar behavior most of us get pretty mad if the opposition is able to get amunition against us.
The Tread Lightly concept is very important to us so as to do minimal(hopfully none) damage on the environment. I think it takes a pretty big man to jump in to the fire to admit that he has done wrong. Just my 2 cents.
Peanut
It is good to see that you came and read the responces about your web site. Even though most were pretty critical of the photos you still understand why everyone was upset, with all the trail closures going on from similar behavior most of us get pretty mad if the opposition is able to get amunition against us.
The Tread Lightly concept is very important to us so as to do minimal(hopfully none) damage on the environment. I think it takes a pretty big man to jump in to the fire to admit that he has done wrong. Just my 2 cents.
Peanut
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Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gifNot to get off on a rant here but...
I believe and practice treading lightly while off-roading.
We know that generally the public does NOT identify with the average off-roader/motor-cyclist enthusiast. They view us as extremist, right wing, para-military, neo-nazi, beer swilling swine, with some drunk shooting from the back of a Jeep at the next duck to come along, barely missing his friends with the buckshot. Clearly, this is NOT who we are. This is NOT who I am. Perception is our problem. Remember the Outdoor America debate? People are afraid of an 85CJ[insert YOUR truck here], with a 4" lift, doors off, rumbling by on MUDS while their kids sit in the back seat of the HONDA crying at the noise. They DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
These guys LOOK like average Americans, young-middle aged, affluent. They LOOK like your neighbor. What most Americans see on his site are some average guys, having a good time, out in the woods on the weekend. They don't see the damage to the trail, or to the environment... Average America sees the 'burb commerical "splashing" away the competition. They're just living the American dream.
We NEED more of main-stream America to get into wheeling. I know, I know... SCARY, but mainstreaming rock-crawling can do nothing but HELP our cause.
Ok, I'm getting down off my soap-box now... Thanks for letting me Rant...
YJ94
I6, 3.5" Black Diamond, MORE, & more
peasejeep@hotmail.com
/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gifNot to get off on a rant here but...
I believe and practice treading lightly while off-roading.
We know that generally the public does NOT identify with the average off-roader/motor-cyclist enthusiast. They view us as extremist, right wing, para-military, neo-nazi, beer swilling swine, with some drunk shooting from the back of a Jeep at the next duck to come along, barely missing his friends with the buckshot. Clearly, this is NOT who we are. This is NOT who I am. Perception is our problem. Remember the Outdoor America debate? People are afraid of an 85CJ[insert YOUR truck here], with a 4" lift, doors off, rumbling by on MUDS while their kids sit in the back seat of the HONDA crying at the noise. They DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
These guys LOOK like average Americans, young-middle aged, affluent. They LOOK like your neighbor. What most Americans see on his site are some average guys, having a good time, out in the woods on the weekend. They don't see the damage to the trail, or to the environment... Average America sees the 'burb commerical "splashing" away the competition. They're just living the American dream.
We NEED more of main-stream America to get into wheeling. I know, I know... SCARY, but mainstreaming rock-crawling can do nothing but HELP our cause.
Ok, I'm getting down off my soap-box now... Thanks for letting me Rant...
YJ94
I6, 3.5" Black Diamond, MORE, & more
peasejeep@hotmail.com
Re: WOOO Hay hold on..........
Matt, Thank you for responding to us as a whole. The e-mail I sent was not to offend but to let you know how it should be done. I think you have a wonderfull talent for photography, some of the pics were just a little too extreme for those of us that fight for every inch of trail we get. After reading your follow up, I realize you are not such an awfull guy as I first judged by the photos. I guess we are all guilty of that once in a while. Thank you again for clearing the air
Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
1999 Dakota 4x4
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Matt, Thank you for responding to us as a whole. The e-mail I sent was not to offend but to let you know how it should be done. I think you have a wonderfull talent for photography, some of the pics were just a little too extreme for those of us that fight for every inch of trail we get. After reading your follow up, I realize you are not such an awfull guy as I first judged by the photos. I guess we are all guilty of that once in a while. Thank you again for clearing the air
Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
1999 Dakota 4x4
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