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I HAVE A 88 JEEP WRANGLER 4.2 AX15 231 WITH STUFF.......
I AM THINKING OF DOING A FORD 5.0 SWAP AND WAS WONDERING
WHAT MANUAL TRANSMISSION COULD I USE FOR IT. I HAVE A AX15
THAT I SWAPPED IN WHEN THE PEUGEOT BLEW UP. BUT I DONT THINK
ITS UP TO THE TASK OF A NEW ENGINE AND HEAVYER AXLES. WHAT I
WANT TO DO IS GET THE ENGINE AND TRANY FROM DONOR CARS.
THE 5.0 IS EASY TO GET BUT HAVE NO IDEA ON THE TRANY.
WHAT BOLTS UP TO A FORD THAT IS STRONG ENOUGH.
I WANT TO USE MY 231 TRANFER CASE AS WELL
I DONT WANT A CHEVY ENGINE I WONT TO DO
SOMTHING DIFFERENT THEN EVERYONE ELSE. I CHECKED OUT
Z AND M WEB SIT BUT THEY ONLY HAVE MOUNTS AND DONT TELL WHAT
THEY USED FOR A TRANY. WHAT DO YOU THINK?????????????
THANKS 4X4 JOE

 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
A T-18 or an NP 435 would be good choices. There are adapters available for both to mate with your t-case.

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there is only one choice no matter what motor you install a 2wd ford T-18, its the ulitmate

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One notch better than the T18.......a T19!

LarryM
'85 CJ7, 350TBI, T19
'00 TJ, 4.0, NV3550, D44
 
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will a t18 bolt to the d300 with out any conversions? what years and makes did the t18 come out of? how many speed is the transmission
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what years in models does the T18 come out of? a 2wd will work without modification? will it adapt to the d300 with out special brackets?
and how about the np435 what did that come out of??
and the t19 what can u get that out of?
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the t-18 you want to use is out of mid to late 60s ford 2wd trucks.

i think the np435 is a better swap(not cheaper). it has a lower first gear, shorter housing, and is a little more robust. these were used in ford trucks into the early 80s.

se sure if you do this swap to pay attention to bellhousings, as there is a ten and eleven inch clutch units. they also use different flywheels and clutch forks.

dan

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Joe, if you want an overdrive, Z&M does sell a bellhousing that will mate an NV4500 to the 5.0L. A club member has that setup.

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Is the 5.0 Ford that easy to get? Even with the 3" lift you list, you'll still want the oil sump in the back to
clear the front differential.


 
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you can buy complete (fuel injection, wiring, ready to run) from ford. i have seen them for less than $2000. they were used in a bunch of vehicles, from mustangs to trucks and lincolns.

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As far as the oilpan clearance issue, Z&M sells a cradle type motor mount and a special oilpan that clears the mount and the front diff.

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I know Ford engines are easy to get but the sump is usually on the front. Some, if not all Broncos are
at the rear and I don't know about the trucks. I hate to admit that I've spent years in the local Ford
truck plant doing conveyor work and never noticed whether the truck sump is front or rear. I even did
the engine line where you can see them real good but still didn't pay any attention.


 
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most all of the four wheel drive trucks have rear sumps. the pan is still being produced as that is where james duff gets his for broncos.

dan

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I installed a 302 (5.0) ford in my '78 cj5 - replaced 258 six cylinder

(YEAH BABY YEAH!!)

The ford bellhousing bolted right up to the T150/Dana 20. No adapter needed. Pretty much everything else came off of '79 F150. I have since switched
transmission to a T176/Dana 300 combination. Direct bolt in. No problem.
The problem with the Ford being rear sump hasn't been a problem
since Ford's '79 Mustang.
I used a stock Mustang oil pan and engine mounts (IN JUNK YARDS EVERYWHERE!!).
Built my own frame mounts to accept the engine mounts and even used the
stock Jeep clutch mechanism (with slight modifications).

Sorry I can't help with the Wrangler, just trying to%
 
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AFTER I POSTED THIS QUESTION I LOOKED AROUND THE OFFROAD WEB
SITE AND FOUND THAT THE NV4500 WOULD BE THE BEST MANUAL TRANNY
AROUND. FIRST GEAR 6.25 AND HAS A OVER DRIVE. THE POST SAID I
COULD FIND A USED ONE FROM A DODGE PICKUP TRUCK 92 AND LATER.
ALL I HAVE TO DO IS FIND A DELL HOUSE FOR IT BUT DONT KNOW
ABOUT THE TRANSFERCASE.A T18 DOSNT HAVE OVERDRIVE THAT I WANT.BUT
IT IS STILL A OPTION I CAN GO WITH
I READ THAT Z AND M HAS THIS BELL HOUSE BUT I DIDNT SEE IT ON THERE
WEB SITE.ANY ONE OF YOU HAVE LUCK IN FINDING A NV4500 IN A DODGE?
WHAT WAS THE PRICE THAT I WOULD EXPECT TO PAY FOR A BOMB PROFF
TRANNY?


 
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4X4JOE, the NV4500 with the 6.24:1 first gear was in 92 - ( I think ) 96 3/4 and 1 ton Dodge trucks. The 1/2 ton trucks use the NV3500.
These trannies don't come cheap. If you can't find what you want in a junkyard, 4WD Hardware sells brand new NV4500's with the 5.61
firat gear and the adapter installed for $2000. They also are warrantied. Hope this helps.

Gary
 

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TURN OFF THE CAPS, that is considered screaming.

Yeah, the NV4500 is a real good choice, I've got an order in for one with the 6.33:1 ratio. The later
models and all GM had 5:61:1 ratio. That tranny is about $2000 and I've never seen or heard of one
mated to a Ford nor with anything but a Dana 300 or Atlas t-case, but since I have a TPI Chevy and a
Dana 300, maybe I just wasn't paying attention. You can do anything with enough money though and
being different costs $$$.

Oh, and the $2000 is the 5.61:1.
 
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can you bolt either the t18 or np435 to a dana 300 with out any special adapters? is so who much are the adapters?
thanks
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the T18a in a 80-83 ( i think) Jeep J20 3/4 ton truck has a NP208 on it, which means a dana 300 will bolt to it, the only bad thing is that the tranny is pretty rare, and the t18a-New Process transfercase adapter is pretty long, not to mention the Full Size jeep input shaft on a T18 is about 15 inches long.. ( the input shaft is overcomeable) i beleive all of the advance adapters for t18 to NP or dana 300 is pretty long too...

the Ford Np435 probably can have a factory Dana 300 or New Process adapter, but its really long, and teh NP435 has a problem coming out of 1st gear sometimes..

your gonna spend some bucks here either way...

ozarkjeep
1977 CJ5 looking for a Hard top near NW Arkansas!
 
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