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Wedge, I thought the YJ sucked for off-roadability compared to a CJ. I've also heard it has a lot of weaknesses. The older versions of us couldn't stand the square headlightedness like we hate the IFS. If lined up in front of me, I'd take a TJ over the YJ, but a CJ over the TJ. Maybe it's just me, but the '87-'94 SWB just seem to be lacking something. It could be the round headlights, but I think it's something else.

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'88 MJ SporTruck shortbed
Rebuilt 2.5L: 40 over rings, 10 on crank, 10 on bearings
nearing 400K
 
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I felt when Chyrsler bought Jeep it was the beginning of the end looks like I was right.

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As far as junk goes, worry about the ones flying over your head. Nothing but junk comming from thr major comercial aircraft maunfactures. New aircraft are like the new chevys,fords ect. we got to chase after them to pick up the pieces they leave behind. Old aircraft are like old jeeps, keepem oiled and greased and they will fly thru flak all day. As a aircraft tech I see the junk coming!!

 
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It's not a problem of IFS or DC or GM or Ford, the problem is gutters. Back in the '50s there weren't paved roads to a lot of places. It was very common that a suburban auto would have to trot across an open field to get somewhere. And people wore hats and they required that a canoe and a trailer fit on their car because people were not going to buy a separate vehicle to go camping (horse trailer on a cadillac). Pick-ups were for farms, Jeeps were for construction sites, logging operations, the military. Jeep made the single largest line of factory PTO vehicles in automotive history (logsplitters, harrows, saws, cranes, stump pullers, ditch diggers, even Back-Hoes with outriggers). Even in the sixties and seventies the average American family took the family daily driver off-road to the extent that modern SUVs are designed for. Trucks and Jeeps were work vehicles. When the gas crunch hit, we turned to vehicles that were made for one purpose: driving on paved roads with maximum fuel efficiency. Thus: no gutters (they are aerodynamically ineffecient and no-one needs to strap anything to the top of their cars anymore anyway), lower rooflines (better aerodynamics and hats are out of style), smaller wheels . . . etc. It has only been in the last ten years that America has had the affluance to demand fuel inefficiency. Let's face it guys the average consumer stops at the campsites that we consider the start of a good run! These roads you can easily (and quietly and comfortably with the AC on and the CD softly playing) get to in a modern SUV (even the FWD like the CR-V and Sportage). Even the modern farmer doesn't use his truck for rough country (ATV's are considered a must for farm work). The modern truck needs to haul weight, but not over the rough terrain it once did. So, who does that leave on the market with the money and the necessity for a serious (as in solid axle, low gear, high torque) off-road capable vehicle? They aren't needed for logging, construction, mining or farming. That leaves us, a small enthusiast market with brand loyalty to a company that was swallowed and will soon be digested with Eagle and Plymouth. Unless, of course, we stop paving and improving roads. Hey . . . when did I get on this soap box?

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I still don't know how Toyota passed when they are just modified Fords. As far as the top three go, I'd say the Silverados are pretty sweet packages. Sure they don't have the old heavy gauge metal, nor are the bumpers solid metal. They do have a decent look. I will complain that they are too cushy. I mean factory CD Player in a truck??? I don't know, the F-150 is a pile, but my inpection of the Chevy 1500s, the HD, and the ZR-2 S-10 would make me happy. I wouldn't use one for off-roading, but the towing, hauling, and frame strengths of those trucks are pretty dang impressive. Minus the axles, it's better than anything chevy put out in the late 70s/early '80s. I can say that.

Ford and Dodge however, cheapening, cheapening, cheapening. . .

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
'88 MJ SporTruck shortbed
Rebuilt 2.5L: 40 over rings, 10 on crank, 10 on bearings

nearing 400K
In new GM's its not the frame or the engine you have to watch out for, its that damn lan system. Fly by wire scares me too...wonder how long before someones car decides to floor it and rocket the car into a pole because of a computer glitch...
 
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