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My vent again. The longer I live and the more I see the more "radical" my views become. I just had a "discussion" with a New York native female about the what she called the "antiquation" of the right to keep and bear arms. Right now I'm so pissed I can hardly type. I can't believe people really feel the way she does. I have to admit that when I first started on this board I felt that many of the views here were extremely radical. I am beginning to believe that this type of radical thinking is what is necessary to combat the liberal, bordering on communist, viewpoint. Maybe I have been shelterd by being in the south all my life. Is it strange that I was taught how to shoot, hunt, kill, and clean animals the same time I was being taught to read? I don't think so. Dave whenever the %[email protected]! goes down I'm with you. This girl sat with a group of people, the majority of which were from the south, and insulted what she called "The Bible Belt". I was appaulled that no one said anything to back me up. They more or less agreed with her that the ******* dialect showed a lack of education while her New York slang showed anything but that. She tried to tell me that as a member of the military I was an organized militia. I explained to her that I was a tool of the government and that was not what an organized militia was intended to be. I got the "well I'm still right" answer to that. She spoke of how amny people are killed by guns in this country and I reminded her that many more were killed by cancer as she took a drag on her cigarette and that also many more were killed on highways than by guns so why not outlaw those as well. Many people I have talked to lately have told me they believe there will be another revolution and in their lifetime. I originally dismissed this as ridiculous. I'm beginning to wonder. I don't believe I would fight Americans on American soil for this government. Does this make me a revolutionary? I don't believe my views differ that much from the majority of the military. If that statement is true what shape is our government in?
Just a conservative still thinking and wondering WHAT IF?

Can you fix it?
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[Guest]

I live in Northern Ca and run into the same thing all the time.
People like that New Yorker are common here. Sometimes I think the
average American does not understand or care for the Constitution. It was written for a reason! If people feel they would be safer without private gun ownership perhaps they should consider moving to another country. Like mexico or China where guns are basically illegal.
Remember as new gun laws are made that partial freedom is not freedom.
Dammit I'm moving to Montana!!
Gibby


~Someone's got to keep the bastards on their toes~
-HST

 

[Guest]

Try living in Massachusetts. Im surrounded by sandal wearing, latte sipping, vegetarian Liberals. Later guys.

 

[CJDave]

/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif Don......you're beginning to "see" what is really happening in this country. If it weren't for the guns that we have in private ownership RIGHT NOW, the Scumbag would have LONG AGO declared some phony "state of emergency" and would have taken away the power from Congress.....indefinitely. There is NOTHING that the Scumbag and his commie wife would like more than to make ALL the decisions....for you....for me....for EVERYONE in this country. THAT's WHY we have personal guns.....to keep government in check. History is replete with instances where the population is first disarmed, then enslaved...not by a foreign power....by those WITHIN THE COUNTRY who had the power. Between the Klintuniods and their willing lackeys the United Nations, NO TRUST SHOULD EVER BE GIVEN.......OR....liberty taken for granted. Do not think for even ONE MINUTE that liberty is safe if the people are disarmed and made......like that fool from NY.....to think that it's all just one big happy, latte-sipping experience./wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gifAnd the biggest reason that it CAN happen here is because of all those who naively think that it CAN'T. Where I live we have a gun-friendly Sheriff. He isn't ABOUT to go knocking on doors to collect firearms. He knows; as I do; that it will be HIS and MY personal Armageddon if he tries it with me. I have NO ILLUSIONS about why the Scumbag makes up those lies about twelve kids per day shot (what bull****) and has his lackeys get on the internet to find and encourage whackos who are on the edge(..[Klintun operative to borderline whacko: "Hey...I just remembered....my Uncle has an Uzi he isn't using!"]...)to go out and shoot up schools in order to oil the skids of the Scumbag anti-gun agenda. When the guns are gone, that's when slavery begins. History has proven it over and over, and the framers of the Constitution were painfull aware of what happens when a populace is not in a position to shoot at their government/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif

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Well said Dave, and AMEN man.

Don, it pleases me to see that people are starting understand the ramifications of the current political situation. If you do indeed feel as though your rights are being stripped by Big Government, and you decide you go against the wishes of that Government, then you might consider your self a revolutionary. I prefer the word "Patriot". Because that's really what you'd be fighting for.

I've been telling people about the next "revolution" for about 5 years now. You would not believe how many people have called me names like "nut", "crazy", "freak", "terrorist". Stuff like that. I don't advocate violence, but when it comes right down to it, that what the guns are for, right? I think there will be another revolution, but I'm not sure if we'll see it for another 10 years or so. Maybe there'll be a meeting of the minds and we can head a revolution off at the pass. Let's all hope so, it'd be a tragedy to spill American blood on our soil. But Don, you are also correct that if there were an uprising, as a member of the Armed Forces you'd have to go into action to fight people that you might well side with.

Take care all, and like Tim Leary said "Question Authority", it's GOOD to do that and do it OFTEN.

Carl, Tampa, FL, 74 CJ-5
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[LEVE]

Isaiah 5:18-25:

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.,,,

I'd like to say more, but the above passage says it all... and me, I feel a great sadness for our nation.

Good Jeepin'

Larry

 

[CJDave]

/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif Larry.....I cannot possibly imagine a scripture which speaks more clearly to what the entire Klintunoid Admin is all about, AND HAS BEEN since it was only an Arkansas problem and not a national problem. As usual, your post is right on./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

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CJDave, I've noticed in other posts that Clinton's name is spelt with a "K", as in your comment re "Klintunoid Admin", why is this?
Also, being from Canada, I find it difficult to accept that the US is about to be attacked either from outside or inside the country. This fear is a paranoia!
Great Britain, where it is much much closer to revolutionary countries, the police patrolling the streets there don't carry weapons. Weapons are issue only to a certain few and the Flying Squad carries weapons. However, the general public don't see them except at the airport.
The only problem I see with US politions is that you get the best that money can buy.
Don't get me wrong, I like guns. But, to think that quite a few others are maybe carrying a weapon or having a weapon on their vehicle bothers me. Any sort of confrontation would quickly escalate into deadly force. Is that what you're willing to accept?

Ralph (please don't hate me)

Carpe Dium - to make every day count!

 

[CJDave]

/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif I always use a mispelling so the internet-watchers don't key on it. The agenda being foisted upon the citizens of this country by the present admin may seen harmless at first blush, but it is an insidious erosion of basic freedoms that grates on my American Patriot mentality. We are very different people than the Brits, and because of that, we view these anti-freedom attempts by the Scumbag and his lackeys as a direct assualt on our way of life. Again,....weapons in the hands of the population are not for protection from EACH OTHER as much as they are a protection from an out-of-control government. Do you think for ONE MINUTE that the Dirtbag and his wife wouldn't just LOVE to be Mr. & Mrs. Dictator? Their outrageous actions while in the White House....from stealing FBI files on their "enemies" to blaming the people who believe in God, Country, and the Constitution for the Scumbag's sexual transgressions....tells me that they are NEVER to be trusted with any of MY personal liberties. And if I'm not armed, what's to stop them form simply making a rule and implementing it with force. Paranoid? I don't think so. Patriotic? Definitely. Ready to defend personal freedoms? You bet./wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif

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I've noticed in other posts that Clinton's name is spelt with a "K", as in your comment re "Klintunoid
Admin", why is this?
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To emphasize his communist, socialist leanings. The people in Russia use the "K", and tend to be communists and socialists. The "oid" is added to words to make the thing being spoken of be included in a group. The group all behaving, acting and believing like the noun portion of the word. In this case "Klinton". So all the "Klintonoids" have a tendency to be like or believe in Clinton. Clinton, of course, is the last name of our current president. See, we here in the U.S. try to use single words that convey a wide meaning. That way we don't have to write long paragraphs like I have just done by way of explanation.

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Great Britain, where it is much much closer to revolutionary countries, ... Weapons are issue only to a certain few and the Flying Squad carries weapons.
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Yes, we here in the U.S. have a passing knowledge of the attitude that Great Britain has toward an armed population. We had a slight disagreement with them a few years back which was in part a result of their attempting to control our weapons. The disagreement was decided in our favor.

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But, to think that quite a few others are maybe carrying a weapon or having a weapon on their vehicle bothers me. Any sort of confrontation would quickly escalate into deadly force.
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It bothers me too, but that is precisely the reason that deadly confrontation DECREASES when people are allowed to carry guns. The thought that someone may respond with deadly force prevents many from provoking the confrontation in the first place. The ability to negotiate from a position of strength has been proven over and over again on a personal level as well as a national level, and this brings us full circle. Another reason for the term "Klintonoid."

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The only problem I see with US politions is that you get the best that money can buy.
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Here I have to disagree, and the last election was a perfect example. We weren't the ones who bought this current white house. We were out spent by China.

Doug '97 TJ
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[Guest]

CJDave,
I answered this post before I saw your response. Am well aware that you are able to cover the ground you walk on, but just felt the need to respond. No intent to step on your toes or get on your ground. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
CBrack.com

 

[Guest]

Lots of folks seem to forget the basics on which this country was founded. The Brits were our enemies... Obviously, we 'rebelled', to get away from thieir form of govt., and all of the personal freedom bs for which they stand. I'm even older than cjd, so I already feel my 'body-clock' running on the 'last half of the tank'. If we can't solve the mess we are in at the voting booth, we are going to have to face it with a revolution. In my opinion, we need to restore the basics on which the country was founded. I believe it's time to 'clean house', and I hope it occurs soon, so I can be a part of it. I am ready to lay down my life to restore our basic freedoms. I'd rather put my life on the line, than accept the direction the commies are leading us. (And, no, I'm not from the south, not from a ******* background, etc, etc. I was born in a large city, in ****-land. I SHOULD be a left-wing commie.) Any time a substantial number of 'patriots' wants to march on the capitol, if I'm still able, I plan to be there (and, ARMED).
In contrast to the opinion expressed by the person from Canada, I believe that EVERY US citizen should be assumed to be armed, at all times. I believe it is a 'birth-right', under the 2nd amendment. And, until a person screws-up this RIGHT, I believe it should be assumed that he or she is armed. Thank goodness, a few states still see it this way. Hopefully, this can be restored, nationwide. I find it interesting to note, that in the states that still acknowledge the right to be armed, the crime and violence rate is among the lowest, anywhere.
Sigh........

bobH

 

[CJDave]

/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif A GREAT response as usual, Doug....well stated./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

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[Guest]

WOO HOO!! Hey guys, this is getting real! Don't you all see? Last month, people on this BBS were saying guys like me, Dave and Doug were "radicals"!! This month there are people saying, "Wow, they aren't radicals, they are patriots"!!! This is how it starts! This is how reform starts! Some new guy is going to get on and read a couple of these messages and remember that he has this friend who has a friend.. etc. etc. Next thing you know, we are organizing ourselves to further our beliefs, each knowing that it may come to a violent revolution, yet each of us ready to surrender our lives for what this country stands for.

This is simply wonderful! Thank you gentlemen, you have made my day.. This is what America is all about.. Our constitution exists to allow us to express these concerns, act on them (if necessary) and be labeled Patriots not Treasonists.


Bob, great job, spoken well.

"Canada-eh". Here's the deal with the Brits. 1) Do you really think the only people carrying handguns in the UK are the police? Nuh-uh.. England has one of the worst gun smugling problems in Europe. Who do you think are buying those imported guns? Criminals..
2) We have a right in this country to bear arms. Not for sport but for protection of 2 basic properties. a) defense of ourselves and our home b) defense of our constitution. The two come together to form the 2nd Amendment which was written specifically to keep tyrannical government in check. In other words, if the government starts eating into our rights, we have the RIGHT to take our arms and "rebel" if you will and stop the tyranny. We have the right to bear arms for that purpose. SOOOO.. if the government tries to take the weapons from the masses, who is going to stop them from running this country as they see fit? What if they decided citizens could not vote? Could we rise up? Possibly, but not as effectively without guns. That's what our laws protect.

Furthermore, this is the scenario that instigated the American Revolution (or at least part of it). The Brits wanted us to do it their way, we didn't want to do it like that. They tried to take our guns and privelages and we rebelled. As a result, our founding fathers took it upon themselves to make absolutely clear that American's can rise up against an oppressive government. This is the rough equivalent of Congress coming in and making a law. Those "fathers" were the most respected, most intelligent men of their time. They had a purpose.

You will also find that more and more of us here are beginning to realize that the government is stripping little chunks of rights from all sides of the picture. Lot's of people only look at gun control or abortion, stuff like that. The WHOLE picture is that the government is eating our rights! Land grabs, state secrets being released, big government where it doesn't belong, gun control..

All these crazy ideas that our current administration has been playing around with for the last 8 years has begun to diminish our rights! Now many of us are just seeing the whole picture for what it is.

It's not paranoia.. it's history. And if we don't keep an eye out, we can't change it.


Carl, Tampa, FL, 74 CJ-5
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[Guest]

Well said, But me, Radical????? /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif Dave, Radical????? /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif

Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
CBrack.com

 

[Guest]

You're right Canada doesn't need guns. The U.S. has protected them for years. I know because I used to fly their military all over because
they didn't have any aircraft.

 

[Guest]

I remeber a story back from the '96 Olympics. The English Marksmanship team was not allowed to live in England and own their guns, so the government moved them all to Amsterdam. This how America will be under King Gore. I can't even vote and I hate that man!

Ed

I live, I breath, I Jeep

 

[Guest]

Hold on now! Were not talking about how cheap we are. If you guys are willing to defend us we can lower our taxes.
However, you talk about justifying your right to arms because the Brits tried to put you in line well over 250 years ago. Who has attacked you since? In fact, you guys attacked us in the early 1800's. With the help of (once again) others, we were able to repel the advance. By your standards Canadians should be armed to the hilt to protect our freedoms. However, we are not. Although, we do have some gun laws that I do not and will not support. Gun registration being the main one.
Enough said.

Ralph...


Carpe Dium - to make every day count!

 

[Guest]

C'mon Doug! You hafta love being called a radical! I personally get a kick out of people calling me radical. "I'm like.. Radical, dude!!". Seriously though, radical ideas always lead to innovation and change.. so color me Rad!

I'm in.. I'm down.. I'm a gun toting Christian conservative white male jeeper with radically patriotic beliefs and a formidable arsenal to rebel against the oppresive nose of Klintunoid big government bureaucratic red tape un-representative legislative GARBAGE!

How's that for an adjective filled run-on sentence?

Carl, Tampa, FL, 74 CJ-5
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[CJDave]

/wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif I'm shocked that anyone would even THINK such a thing. Here's something interesting to keep in mind......if you want to figure out what a person's agenda is, LISTEN TO THE ADJECTIVES. If they put "radical" in front of "right wing" or "Christian", they are definitely a Klintunoid drone, taking their orders from their democrap masters in WA. See....there...I just did it...I used Democrap to modify the noun "master". Gee, do you think MY agenda is anti-Scumbag? Hmmmm......well, maybe?/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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