I was just reading about the top truck deal in it I saw that one jeep that used a 350cid had used a V6 front and rear from a late model toyota.I just so happens I can get a set with 3.73 gears for basicaly nothing..would it be worth a swap over my 20 rear 30 front.. If so what all needs to be done to make it work(would be used spring over) thanks jared
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Look, I don't know Lance. Lance doesn't know me. We'll probably never meet. Who cares? He got a little snippy & overzealous in his original post. He's clarified it & moved on. Some guys took more offense than need be. Time for them to move on also. His comments weren't THAT bad. Does anyone even remember that the original post was in reference to replacing a Dana 30 - NOT a 44? Does anyone remember that even the diehard Toy guys like DRM & Sean agreed that the expense of converting to the Toy running gear wouldn't justify it? Is anyone else sick & tired of arguing this pointless debate? Wouldn't you rather be wheeling?
TEX
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TEX
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I would rather be wheeling, but I am still building my rig. Back to the question at hand, why do people put Dana 44 axles in their rigs, instead of Toy axles. On light weight rig, the chances are much less that you would break the birf. DRM had a good post on the Pirates page. They do make aftermarket shafts for the 44, and they do make the floater kit. Now, I can also buy shafts for a 14-bolt, and a Dana 70. Does this mean they are weaker than the Toy axles? You can buy parts for everyithng you can ever imagine. Lets not bicker over the small things, and decide that it is truly a personal preference when it comes to axles. I have seen people run Dana 30's with 38.5" swampers. This is not a justified combo, but hell people do it.
Dimitri
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The availability of parts for things like Dana and GM axles is just a direct connection with their popularity. No matter how good or
bad a Toy axle is (i have my own opinion, but at this point it serves no purpose) there are one heck of a lot more Danas and GMs
in every concievable configuration, including in Toyotas.
Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)
bad a Toy axle is (i have my own opinion, but at this point it serves no purpose) there are one heck of a lot more Danas and GMs
in every concievable configuration, including in Toyotas.
Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)
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Well, let's see Dimitri. A Toy motor puts out 116hp. That engine came in the truck. Last time I checked the 350 chevy came in Chevrolets not Jeeps. Fair comparison?? I don't think so. (Not that this is much of an argument. We all know the stock in line six will beat the pants off the stock Toyota motor. I was just curious as to why you picked the 350 SB).
Now, let's talk about torque to the axle shafts, which is really what breaks them. If you do the math, with gear reduction along the entire driveline from the engine to the tanny to the tcase(s) to the axle gears, my truck puts out TWICE the torque of most Chevy 350s after going through the entire driveline and I don't break axles. Explain that please.
I really wish you would take the time to read all the treads before dropping in with the your comments from the peanut gallery. If you'll read my post titlted something like:what warn had to say about birfields vs. the 297 joint . You'd know precisely why Warn makes the eliminator and you could stop posing questions that have already been answered.
I hope you all realize this isn't the Toyota vs. Jeep debate that many of you think it is. It is simply that the Toyota 8" axle is not the crappy axle you are making it out to be and it is very equal in every way except housing strength to the D44. It is more a debate between the Toyota 8" and Dana 44. TEX pointed out what all of you are missing and that is that for the particular poster who started this thread, the Toyota axle isn't the easiest, cheapest or best swap for him. We've all admitted that. I just have a real problem with people claiming that the 44 is so much superior to the Toyota axle with no empirical data to back it up.
Sean
Now, let's talk about torque to the axle shafts, which is really what breaks them. If you do the math, with gear reduction along the entire driveline from the engine to the tanny to the tcase(s) to the axle gears, my truck puts out TWICE the torque of most Chevy 350s after going through the entire driveline and I don't break axles. Explain that please.
I really wish you would take the time to read all the treads before dropping in with the your comments from the peanut gallery. If you'll read my post titlted something like:what warn had to say about birfields vs. the 297 joint . You'd know precisely why Warn makes the eliminator and you could stop posing questions that have already been answered.
I hope you all realize this isn't the Toyota vs. Jeep debate that many of you think it is. It is simply that the Toyota 8" axle is not the crappy axle you are making it out to be and it is very equal in every way except housing strength to the D44. It is more a debate between the Toyota 8" and Dana 44. TEX pointed out what all of you are missing and that is that for the particular poster who started this thread, the Toyota axle isn't the easiest, cheapest or best swap for him. We've all admitted that. I just have a real problem with people claiming that the 44 is so much superior to the Toyota axle with no empirical data to back it up.
Sean
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Tex, I couldn't agree more! Let's get on to something else. This bickering has taken too much space.
I'd rather be wheeling. Heck, I'll hit the trail with Toys, Chevys, or whatever.
Keep on Jeepin'
Scott
Tex, I couldn't agree more! Let's get on to something else. This bickering has taken too much space.
I'd rather be wheeling. Heck, I'll hit the trail with Toys, Chevys, or whatever.
Keep on Jeepin'
Scott
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Not sure any of us fat boys where even in the fight
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Not sure any of us fat boys where even in the fight
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Sorry short wheel base I was A little upset yesturday. I have nothing against fat boys. Fat chicks maybee
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Well boys we need to get some facts strait First off Grady's (TTC flattie) reard diff only works since he is light! If you where to weigh the rear axel it would be about 1/2 the weight of your toy's! Next is the v-6 diff! Yes it is stronger but it is still not as strong as a 44 (SHOCKER!!!!!). Why well let me see! The toy diff is a hypoid style gear which means the pinion drags across the teeth of the ring gear! What's that mean????Welllllll. It means more heat and friction which causes flaking of the gears! The hardness will leave the gear from long use and will come apart! This design also causes the pinion to be pulled towards the carrier and causes a heavy load on the pinion bearings! This in turn causes the crush sleeve to collapse and makes the pinion move more and eventually hits the carrier! Why do you thin a 9" has that extra little bearing (Which is a POS too BTW)! Now do you honestly think Grady takes long road trips at high speeds in his flattie! Hmmmmmm! Didn't think so! The dana 44 has a taper cut gear which meshes with less friction and has no crush sleeve! The design is far from perfect but has more stringth! Think of this too The ring gear may only be a little bigger but the teeth are much larger and the pinion is a little larger! You also don't have the tugging on the pinion as heavy! The horse power issue! 90 some horse please! Chev has what????? HELLO! Ok Now good ol TEX says he's got big 408 cubes! If your not breaking your toy diffs then maybe you need to rebuild your motor there chief! Throw 100hp NOS on it and CAAAA-CHING watch the parts fly! Keep in mind an auto is more gental than a stick too! I have watched countless Toyota's blow stock diffs with v-8 power and an auto tranny! Fact the gears are weaker! And the carrier tries to tear itself in half!
Next the housing!!!!! People lets really look at this! Why would a thick ½ " tube be as strong as ¼ " plate that's been bent and not to mention Japan has the lowest grade of steel on the planet!!!! And a ½" thick casting! Come Awn! You do not have to be a structural engineer to see this! I have watched toy housings bend and seen them tear the perches taking the chunk of housing with it! This is from crawling people!
Ok now for the Birfields! Is it strong????? NO! the birfield is adequate as long as the tires are turned strait! Lets crank them! Ohhh look the little balls are near the edge of the main joint! It's only ¼" thick there and the shaft looks a lot like a pry bar! And then guess what!!!!! POP Oops there it went I should have turned off my ARB!!!!! Look Birfield soup!!!! And it looks like the pieces took chunks out of the housing! Now the birfield can expand easier! So now the new birf fits lose. Time for a new housing since it chewed up where the trunion bearing goes! The 44 shaft is a weak link too but weld the ujoints in and you will never break the ears off the axel! You may split the shaft lingth wise. Have warn conduct a test on that one!
Sean's BIG TORQUE! 228 to 1 not bad eaven tho a v-8 will crawl slower with 130 to 1. I can promise that my 450 ftlbs of torque at 130 to 1 and 456's is far more torque than your toy will put out without going to 1000 to 1. My 44 is holding up just fine!
Now you say how can some *** just come on here and talk to us this way???? Well let me tell you! I 've had my 84 toy p/u for 10 years! I ran toy diffs till about 2 years ago! I broke 20 birfields I went through countless gear set's! I tore 3 ARB's in half ! I'm by no means a throttle jockey! I did not even have a crawler! And if I broke that stuff with 96 hp what's over 400 gonna do to it! The fact is the stuff is weaker! FACT and if your gonna deny fact than you are an idiot and have no right giving someone bum information!
At last the answer!!!! I would not put Toyota running gear in the jeep! Unless you plan on putting the roach of a motor in front of it! It is by no means an upgrade and will not last and you will wish you had not bolted it in! Besides how's he suppose to do the steering you fools! He could do spring over crossover steering way cheaper and easier form a 44. BTW I have recently eliminated my terralow 4 to 1 and Opted for an atlas II! Hmmmm! An upgrade and not a down grade! Jared this is a bad conversion nad you will regret putting in parts that are not an upgrade! Save your money and do a good upgrade down the road! Sust so you know I have wheeled with Lance and his fellow pirates! He has nothing to gain from this but is like me not wanting to see someone get bum information from people who don't know what they are talking about! You need to watch what you post since you can cost someone a lot of money! Use your friggin heads! just cause you like sumthin does'nt mean its the best!
JLC
Sweaty Nipples Off Road Team
S.N.O.R.T.
If you wanna see why I'm cocky then look! GOT-NOS?????
http://www.off-road.com/~wilmonky/jason.htm
Next the housing!!!!! People lets really look at this! Why would a thick ½ " tube be as strong as ¼ " plate that's been bent and not to mention Japan has the lowest grade of steel on the planet!!!! And a ½" thick casting! Come Awn! You do not have to be a structural engineer to see this! I have watched toy housings bend and seen them tear the perches taking the chunk of housing with it! This is from crawling people!
Ok now for the Birfields! Is it strong????? NO! the birfield is adequate as long as the tires are turned strait! Lets crank them! Ohhh look the little balls are near the edge of the main joint! It's only ¼" thick there and the shaft looks a lot like a pry bar! And then guess what!!!!! POP Oops there it went I should have turned off my ARB!!!!! Look Birfield soup!!!! And it looks like the pieces took chunks out of the housing! Now the birfield can expand easier! So now the new birf fits lose. Time for a new housing since it chewed up where the trunion bearing goes! The 44 shaft is a weak link too but weld the ujoints in and you will never break the ears off the axel! You may split the shaft lingth wise. Have warn conduct a test on that one!
Sean's BIG TORQUE! 228 to 1 not bad eaven tho a v-8 will crawl slower with 130 to 1. I can promise that my 450 ftlbs of torque at 130 to 1 and 456's is far more torque than your toy will put out without going to 1000 to 1. My 44 is holding up just fine!
Now you say how can some *** just come on here and talk to us this way???? Well let me tell you! I 've had my 84 toy p/u for 10 years! I ran toy diffs till about 2 years ago! I broke 20 birfields I went through countless gear set's! I tore 3 ARB's in half ! I'm by no means a throttle jockey! I did not even have a crawler! And if I broke that stuff with 96 hp what's over 400 gonna do to it! The fact is the stuff is weaker! FACT and if your gonna deny fact than you are an idiot and have no right giving someone bum information!
At last the answer!!!! I would not put Toyota running gear in the jeep! Unless you plan on putting the roach of a motor in front of it! It is by no means an upgrade and will not last and you will wish you had not bolted it in! Besides how's he suppose to do the steering you fools! He could do spring over crossover steering way cheaper and easier form a 44. BTW I have recently eliminated my terralow 4 to 1 and Opted for an atlas II! Hmmmm! An upgrade and not a down grade! Jared this is a bad conversion nad you will regret putting in parts that are not an upgrade! Save your money and do a good upgrade down the road! Sust so you know I have wheeled with Lance and his fellow pirates! He has nothing to gain from this but is like me not wanting to see someone get bum information from people who don't know what they are talking about! You need to watch what you post since you can cost someone a lot of money! Use your friggin heads! just cause you like sumthin does'nt mean its the best!
JLC
Sweaty Nipples Off Road Team
S.N.O.R.T.
If you wanna see why I'm cocky then look! GOT-NOS?????
http://www.off-road.com/~wilmonky/jason.htm
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Re: ATTN: Snortfag-you callled yourself that, not me.
I was perfectly willing to let this thread die. I admitted I was wrong. Then you had to go and stir things up. It is blatantly apparant that you are a loud-mouthed moron. You did make excellent points about all the things you witnessed, UNTIL you got to the part where you brag about your own breakage. It just shows you aren't all that bright or haven't got much skill when it comes to driving (notice I didn't say experience. I know plenty of people with tons of experience that still can't drive their way out of a paper bag).
From your post, I take it you rockcrawl. Snort guys have a great reputation for being super hardcore and trying all kinds of new innovations. However, what genius crawls w/o a crawler and expects the vehicle to hold up? Toyotas are admittedly not torque monsters so you spend all your time slipping the clutch and revving the engine in an attempt to scale a rock. Without a crawler you break alot of parts on a Toyota. Your breakage can be directly attributed to your lack of finesse or your lack of a crawler or both. While you did offer a wealth of information, your presentation style is severely lacking. Good luck to you in life. You're gonna need it.
Sean
I was perfectly willing to let this thread die. I admitted I was wrong. Then you had to go and stir things up. It is blatantly apparant that you are a loud-mouthed moron. You did make excellent points about all the things you witnessed, UNTIL you got to the part where you brag about your own breakage. It just shows you aren't all that bright or haven't got much skill when it comes to driving (notice I didn't say experience. I know plenty of people with tons of experience that still can't drive their way out of a paper bag).
From your post, I take it you rockcrawl. Snort guys have a great reputation for being super hardcore and trying all kinds of new innovations. However, what genius crawls w/o a crawler and expects the vehicle to hold up? Toyotas are admittedly not torque monsters so you spend all your time slipping the clutch and revving the engine in an attempt to scale a rock. Without a crawler you break alot of parts on a Toyota. Your breakage can be directly attributed to your lack of finesse or your lack of a crawler or both. While you did offer a wealth of information, your presentation style is severely lacking. Good luck to you in life. You're gonna need it.
Sean
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Re: ATTN: Snortfag-you callled yourself that, not me.
Jeez, he just doesn't get it, does he, Jason? Oh well, live goes on...
Please excuse me while I go pack my rig for a weekend of wheelin.
Lance Clifford
http://www.pirate4x4.com
lance@pirate4x4.com
Jeez, he just doesn't get it, does he, Jason? Oh well, live goes on...
Please excuse me while I go pack my rig for a weekend of wheelin.
Lance Clifford
http://www.pirate4x4.com
lance@pirate4x4.com
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Can't we all just get along??? Everbody knows that either of the axles, dana 44 or toyotas,are stronger than the JEEP 20 rear and 30 front. Face it, if Jeeps were SO good then would WE (I own a Jeep) be upgrading them. Also if Toyotas were SO good would you (the Toyota boys) be upgrading them (I don't care how much or how little). Niether of these vehicles is that strong or good in stock form. Nobody makes a short wheel base vehicle with a 350 chevy, dana 60 front 70 rear, two feet of articulation at each corner, 110 degree approach and departure angles, stainless steel frame, full roll cage, two winches, 44 inch tires, and a guarantee that nothing will ever break (if somebody did everybody would have one). That's why we(Jeep and Toyota guys) have to make them. We (the Jeep boys) should be thanking the Toyota guys for coming over here to help us answer a question. Thank you Toyota guys. Remember we all are into this sport and want to keep it possible, so when you get angry at to other guy (Toyota or Jeep) take that aggression out by writing to the Government to keep land open.
Tim Springer
1980 CJ7
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If you're going to come on here as some big mouthed expert, try reading the post first. Nobody here has recommended a Toyota into Jeep swap.
Mark
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By the way, if you want to see just one example of big tires on 8 inch axles, take a look at the Toyota board for some pics that are up. 44's with a crawler, and it gets used hard with no axle failures. Now I am not at all recommending this, and fully expect failure with this size tires, but I don't think a 30 could look at 44's and still live. Even if you hate me after these posts, take a look at the pics, wheelers of any flavor should enjoy them!
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44's on a Toy axle?!?!?!?! HEEEHEHEHEHEHEEHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHAHAHHHAAHAA God, thanks for the great laugh! Funny you should mention a Toyota with 44's (TIRES, that is!) One of my fellow members told me a story about a Toyota on the trail (Rubicon) this weekend that had 44's on it. I guess it broke a j-arm and a tie rod in the first 5 minutes of being on the trail. Too funny.
Lance Clifford
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lance@pirate4x4.com
Lance Clifford
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lance@pirate4x4.com
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WOAH NELLIE! I can't stop LAUGHING!!! I went and looked at the pics, and that's THE ONE!!!! Geez, I almost forgot to mention, Gary said it broke a driveline (and I *think* something else, but I can't remember) in Little Sluice! HAHAHAHAHAAHAAHA NO MECHANICAL FAILURES?!?!?!?!? WHAT DO YOU CALL ALL OF THAT?!?!?!?!
Lance Clifford
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lance@pirate4x4.com
Lance Clifford
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Re: Attn: SNORTclown
Hey SNORTclown,
I never said that I haven't broken Toy diffy's, nor have I claimed such a setup to be the be-all end-all of durability. I actually PREFER D44 diffy's, even though the AXLE strength doesn't appear to be any better. But stock diffy to stock diffy, I'd pick a 44. I won't put one in my truck because the cost (both in $$ and in lost ground clearance) wouldn't justify it in my mind. But, if you recall, this thread didn't begin with a Toy vs. 44 debate. It was a Toy vs. 30 debate. I WOULD up for a 44 front if I had a 30 there now.
The Toy diffy's I have broken have been stock, 18-year-old 4-cyl 4.37's (worst ratio Toy made) that were on the truck when I got it. Imagine my dismay to find that after I got the truck home, the gears had NO LUBE. They lived for 18 months after I filled 'em up & during that time survived more abuse than my Dana 30's ever did. And I CAN upgrade to better Toy parts without an expensive swap to Dana components.
I never subjected my 30's to larger than 33" tires or more power than a 304 that was so worn that it wouldn't hold a hill in 1st gear, low range - compression was that weak. Yet, I went through 30 fronts at an astonishing pace. Oh yeah, these were open 3.73's (41/11), so no low-teeth counts to deal with. No real way to improve on that front without getting rid of it. When I moved up into more serious racing, I ditched that 30 front. My #1 competitor almost lost the state championship to me because he broke FIVE long-side 30 axles in ONE season. Fortunately for him, that typically took place near the end of his run. Currently, we have 2 heavy hitters still running 30's. One with a hot 360 & one with an even hotter 390. Both have broken enough parts just in the past 2 seasons to justify something better.
My Toy diffy's on the other hand have been subjected to 38's and a 408 that I can assure you does NOT need a rebuild. The lowest my truck placed in any 1999 event was 6th. Most of the time, I was running against 40 trucks or more. Here's the breakdown for ya.
06/12/99 Marthasville, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 1st place
07/10/99 Niangua, MO Street Stock up to 37" - 1st place
07/10/99 Niangua, MO Super Stock up to 40" - 1st place
08/14/99 St. Charles, MO Women's Hot Street up to 38.0" - 1st place
08/14/99 St. Charles, MO Hot Street up to 38.0" - 3rd place
08/21/99 Sullivan, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 6th place
08/28/99 St. Charles, MO Women's Hot Street up to 38.0" - 6th place
08/28/99 St. Charles, MO Hot Street up to 38.0" - 2nd place
09/11/99 Washington, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 2nd place
09/18/99 Marthasville, MO Women's Pro Stock - 5th place
09/18/99 Marthasville, MO Street Stock less than 36" - 1st place
The engine is a fresh 1970 4-bolt 400 bored .040 over. Balanced with 10.2:1 compression - forged BTW. .234/.244 dur, .488/.510 lift, Performer RPM intake & MSD 6AL. I go for 2nd with my B&M slapper immediately after nailing the throttle & had to bump my rev-limiter up over 6 grand 'cause I was getting into it before I could complete the shift. This is with a STOCK converter, BTW.
And since you clearly don't know JACK about mud racing, here's a tip. NITROUS IS ILLEGAL IN MOST CLASSES. D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH!
You know, I too was ready to let this thread die. Then someone has to get on here & tell me I'm not breaking stuff because my motor sucks??? Wow, that was REALLY helpful, don't ya think? You are exactly the type of person that I want dishing out advice. Please DO tell me how to build my next truck. I'm ALL ears.
TEX
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G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
Hey SNORTclown,
I never said that I haven't broken Toy diffy's, nor have I claimed such a setup to be the be-all end-all of durability. I actually PREFER D44 diffy's, even though the AXLE strength doesn't appear to be any better. But stock diffy to stock diffy, I'd pick a 44. I won't put one in my truck because the cost (both in $$ and in lost ground clearance) wouldn't justify it in my mind. But, if you recall, this thread didn't begin with a Toy vs. 44 debate. It was a Toy vs. 30 debate. I WOULD up for a 44 front if I had a 30 there now.
The Toy diffy's I have broken have been stock, 18-year-old 4-cyl 4.37's (worst ratio Toy made) that were on the truck when I got it. Imagine my dismay to find that after I got the truck home, the gears had NO LUBE. They lived for 18 months after I filled 'em up & during that time survived more abuse than my Dana 30's ever did. And I CAN upgrade to better Toy parts without an expensive swap to Dana components.
I never subjected my 30's to larger than 33" tires or more power than a 304 that was so worn that it wouldn't hold a hill in 1st gear, low range - compression was that weak. Yet, I went through 30 fronts at an astonishing pace. Oh yeah, these were open 3.73's (41/11), so no low-teeth counts to deal with. No real way to improve on that front without getting rid of it. When I moved up into more serious racing, I ditched that 30 front. My #1 competitor almost lost the state championship to me because he broke FIVE long-side 30 axles in ONE season. Fortunately for him, that typically took place near the end of his run. Currently, we have 2 heavy hitters still running 30's. One with a hot 360 & one with an even hotter 390. Both have broken enough parts just in the past 2 seasons to justify something better.
My Toy diffy's on the other hand have been subjected to 38's and a 408 that I can assure you does NOT need a rebuild. The lowest my truck placed in any 1999 event was 6th. Most of the time, I was running against 40 trucks or more. Here's the breakdown for ya.
06/12/99 Marthasville, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 1st place
07/10/99 Niangua, MO Street Stock up to 37" - 1st place
07/10/99 Niangua, MO Super Stock up to 40" - 1st place
08/14/99 St. Charles, MO Women's Hot Street up to 38.0" - 1st place
08/14/99 St. Charles, MO Hot Street up to 38.0" - 3rd place
08/21/99 Sullivan, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 6th place
08/28/99 St. Charles, MO Women's Hot Street up to 38.0" - 6th place
08/28/99 St. Charles, MO Hot Street up to 38.0" - 2nd place
09/11/99 Washington, MO Street Stock up to 36" - 2nd place
09/18/99 Marthasville, MO Women's Pro Stock - 5th place
09/18/99 Marthasville, MO Street Stock less than 36" - 1st place
The engine is a fresh 1970 4-bolt 400 bored .040 over. Balanced with 10.2:1 compression - forged BTW. .234/.244 dur, .488/.510 lift, Performer RPM intake & MSD 6AL. I go for 2nd with my B&M slapper immediately after nailing the throttle & had to bump my rev-limiter up over 6 grand 'cause I was getting into it before I could complete the shift. This is with a STOCK converter, BTW.
And since you clearly don't know JACK about mud racing, here's a tip. NITROUS IS ILLEGAL IN MOST CLASSES. D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH! D'OHH!
You know, I too was ready to let this thread die. Then someone has to get on here & tell me I'm not breaking stuff because my motor sucks??? Wow, that was REALLY helpful, don't ya think? You are exactly the type of person that I want dishing out advice. Please DO tell me how to build my next truck. I'm ALL ears.
TEX
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G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
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Re: Attn: SNORTclown
Ok Ok lets drop it! Come on guys lets gather up our toys and go back to our own sand box. a couple people here don't want to place nice.
Lets just drop it. leave snot-clown and his "butt buddy" lance to there opions. thanks to the rest of you for being sival. I'm sorry you guys have to put up with guys like this at your board.
So come on sean Tex DRM and who ever else ventured over. they don't get it? You guys tried. but Oh well!
See you guys back on the toy page!
In seans words (take care)
Ok Ok lets drop it! Come on guys lets gather up our toys and go back to our own sand box. a couple people here don't want to place nice.
Lets just drop it. leave snot-clown and his "butt buddy" lance to there opions. thanks to the rest of you for being sival. I'm sorry you guys have to put up with guys like this at your board.
So come on sean Tex DRM and who ever else ventured over. they don't get it? You guys tried. but Oh well!
See you guys back on the toy page!
In seans words (take care)
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OK, I see how it is played. If the axle holds up, then the weak link on the Toy is the driveshaft or tie rod. Whatever, dude. Let's now debate whether a Toyota driveshaft is as strong as a Jeeps...on second thought, I don't have time right now.
Mark
Mark
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Ok Lance is FAR from my butt buddy! LOL I never even Bashed you CB77.But It's cool! I expected these kind of responses! And for that I deserve what I get! Sean and TEX I had no right in bashing your rigs! Sean I have no doubt your toy Gets it on! I've seen toys with Marlins tear it up! And you cant beat the amount of diff clearance that a toy offers! I know this since I live in Wa state where we have rocks and a lot of mud! I can assure you I have really noticed the loss in clearance.
TEX Man with a record like that I cant Argue! You've odviously got a winning combo! My motor is similar to yours! How to build your truck??? Well I'm thinking along the lines of Alcohol and dry sump blown 454! Whatcha think!!! we can do this! I know a guy who does 200ft in 3 sec. Might need an axel upgrade tho! LOL Sean you did bash my driving! That hurts HOS! My breakages where due to the failure of parts and not lack of finess! You claimed the Con is a joke! Well take out your crawler and run it! It's a bitch I assure you! I did it two years ago and had to finess it through! Turned my centerforce 3 into a center force 1. Had I not finessed it through I would have left parts everywhere! I now have an Atlas 2and have low ratio! I know the art of finess! Up here the rocks are coverd in mud and sometimes finess is not an option and raw HP is just another option in your bag! You will see me in your neck of the woods soon enough! And you will see all finess since I can break my 44any time I want with just a touch of the gas! but It holds up just fine for crawlin!
I offer Advise not to be a cocky arrogant ***! But to save people money from the mistakes I have learned! I have done many conversions on every type of rig and have assembled diffs and trannys for them all! I have a job at an offroad shop that specializes in custom conversions only (No bolt on queens). Jared Asked about toy diffs! He was told the V-6is stronger which is true! But when the 44was brought in and incorrect info was being passed I stepped in since what was said made the toy diff sound very appealing! I guess the correct questions Would have been to ask Jared would be What type of motor is he running and what type of tranny and what are his intentions for his vehicle! Then maybe we could give him the cheapest and best route for him to go! Then discuss the pro's and cons of each of our Ideas! And just for future Reference A toy rear Axel SHAFT is stronger than a 44 30spline! FACT So if that is what your talking about TEX your right! I like the toy diff ends on a 44 or 60 personally! But then again I am a bigger fan of full width and 35 spline axels! Dana 30 spline rear axels suck for the 60 and 44!
JasonConover
President
Sweaty Nipples Off Road Team
BTW TEX I still think you should add NOS. Just for fun! I think we got sumthin here! We can line em up and see who can burn their 1200 dollar tires the furthest! I think you'll win tho seems how you've got a few more cubes on me and thos ol clunky 465's don't shift as nice as those autos!
TEX Man with a record like that I cant Argue! You've odviously got a winning combo! My motor is similar to yours! How to build your truck??? Well I'm thinking along the lines of Alcohol and dry sump blown 454! Whatcha think!!! we can do this! I know a guy who does 200ft in 3 sec. Might need an axel upgrade tho! LOL Sean you did bash my driving! That hurts HOS! My breakages where due to the failure of parts and not lack of finess! You claimed the Con is a joke! Well take out your crawler and run it! It's a bitch I assure you! I did it two years ago and had to finess it through! Turned my centerforce 3 into a center force 1. Had I not finessed it through I would have left parts everywhere! I now have an Atlas 2and have low ratio! I know the art of finess! Up here the rocks are coverd in mud and sometimes finess is not an option and raw HP is just another option in your bag! You will see me in your neck of the woods soon enough! And you will see all finess since I can break my 44any time I want with just a touch of the gas! but It holds up just fine for crawlin!
I offer Advise not to be a cocky arrogant ***! But to save people money from the mistakes I have learned! I have done many conversions on every type of rig and have assembled diffs and trannys for them all! I have a job at an offroad shop that specializes in custom conversions only (No bolt on queens). Jared Asked about toy diffs! He was told the V-6is stronger which is true! But when the 44was brought in and incorrect info was being passed I stepped in since what was said made the toy diff sound very appealing! I guess the correct questions Would have been to ask Jared would be What type of motor is he running and what type of tranny and what are his intentions for his vehicle! Then maybe we could give him the cheapest and best route for him to go! Then discuss the pro's and cons of each of our Ideas! And just for future Reference A toy rear Axel SHAFT is stronger than a 44 30spline! FACT So if that is what your talking about TEX your right! I like the toy diff ends on a 44 or 60 personally! But then again I am a bigger fan of full width and 35 spline axels! Dana 30 spline rear axels suck for the 60 and 44!
JasonConover
President
Sweaty Nipples Off Road Team
BTW TEX I still think you should add NOS. Just for fun! I think we got sumthin here! We can line em up and see who can burn their 1200 dollar tires the furthest! I think you'll win tho seems how you've got a few more cubes on me and thos ol clunky 465's don't shift as nice as those autos!
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Forgiven. BTW, despite the numerous different opinions, I believe we are ALL in agreement that the thought behind the original post WAAAAAAYYYYY back up there would not be justified based on cost & whatever else. And THAT, should answer the question./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif
TEX
P.S.
If you'd like to have fun seeing how far each of us can spin 'em, I'm can dig that. But, not on pavement - I like to keep my Swampers OFF-road/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif!
/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif Got Mud?
G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
TEX
P.S.
If you'd like to have fun seeing how far each of us can spin 'em, I'm can dig that. But, not on pavement - I like to keep my Swampers OFF-road/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif!
/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif Got Mud?
G.U.M.B.O. Mud Racing
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Re: Attn: Jason -Snortclown.
I'd like to apologize for the driving comment. I was actually saying you have more balls then me to wheel without the crawler. I've said this many times on the Toyota page. I would not be wheeling a Toyota truck now without a crawler. They just aren't that great in stock form for hardcore rockcrawling, but then again, what is?
Just to clear some things up I never claimed the Con was a joke, that's just what other people who've been up there told me. These are the type of guys that wheel the same type trails I do that they said were much worse than the Con. These guys are all running crawler gears in their Jeeps, Scouts, Broncos and Toyotas as well as their rock buggies in some instances. Obviously, with the way these vehicles are set up they have an easy time with most trails. I hope you aren't too mad at me. Your comments just struck a nerve. Best of luck to you. Take care,
Sean
I'd like to apologize for the driving comment. I was actually saying you have more balls then me to wheel without the crawler. I've said this many times on the Toyota page. I would not be wheeling a Toyota truck now without a crawler. They just aren't that great in stock form for hardcore rockcrawling, but then again, what is?
Just to clear some things up I never claimed the Con was a joke, that's just what other people who've been up there told me. These are the type of guys that wheel the same type trails I do that they said were much worse than the Con. These guys are all running crawler gears in their Jeeps, Scouts, Broncos and Toyotas as well as their rock buggies in some instances. Obviously, with the way these vehicles are set up they have an easy time with most trails. I hope you aren't too mad at me. Your comments just struck a nerve. Best of luck to you. Take care,
Sean
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Jared
so what are you gunna do????
Guys
I think this turned out for the better. One of the best discussions I've read
thus far. Lets wheel HUH!!!???
so what are you gunna do????
Guys
I think this turned out for the better. One of the best discussions I've read
thus far. Lets wheel HUH!!!???
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