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What's a reasonable towing capacity for a CJ? I have the 258 and T5, 2.5" lift on 31's and a class 3 reciever hitch. I'm asking because I'd like to tow my Integra on a car dolly and am wondering if it's too heavy (~3100lbs with the dolly). What do you guys think??

86 CJ7 Renegade, 258I6, 31's, 2"lift
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I tow an older pop-up camper with my CJ7, and I don't think I would want to go any bigger, especially a car on a dolly. The short wheelbase isn't your friend when trying to tow something that approaches the weight of the jeep, nevermind the fact that you won't have enough brake to stop in anything resembling a decent distance. If you're looking for opinions, put me down as a "don't do it".

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Hello there, This is just my $.02 but a buddy of mine and I flat towed a cj-5 with a wrangler after a rain storm when the roads were still wet about 70 miles and I'll tell you it was scary. No problems til you had to stop. That tow jeep would push you all over the place! Take my advice, I'm with the last post you received, My vote is don't do it!

 

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i towed jeepgods' jeep from here to tellico last year(about 8 hours) with my cj-7.. i will never NEVER tow with my jeep again.. i got about 6 MPG...threw a u-joint and burned up a wheel bearing in my rear end too...please don't do it!!!
ps.. i am running a much heavier jeep than you with lots more torque/horsepower.. these problems would be even worse for you i think

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Sonic,
Please do not tow with your Jeep. I saw a guy attempting to towe a FULLSIZE 3/4 ton Chevrolet 4x4 pickup with a CJ-7. I kid you not. On I-95 no less. What an accident waiting to happen. I think it was a suicide attempt. I swear i saw the front wheels of the 7 lift up when he hit a dip in the road. Needless to say, i passed him as fast as i could, but not before staying behind just to watch for a while...it was quite entertaining...but seriously, I wouldnt tow anything heavier than a pair of Jet Skis with a CJ...thats just my OPINION. I believe in safety when towing, because as an EMT i've seen too many wrecks caused by improper towing. Thats why I bought my Ram...as the future tow rig for my CJ-7!!!!!!

-Mike

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Alright, the general concensus is "NO". If I were towing it 5 miles that would be one thing, but I'll be towing from Montana to Massachusetts, about 2600 miles.

Hmmm...perhaps I'll pick up an older toyota v6 pickup...i'd really perfer not to get a full size. Any reccommendations for an ok tow rig for around $5000?

86 CJ7 Renegade, 258I6, 31's, 2"lift
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Yes, an '87 and older Grand Wagoneer would make a nice tow vehicle. They have a full frame, usually a 360, and will tow the CJ easily. Don't expect very good mileage though. Maybe a 2WD pickup as well, something disposable. A friend of ours was towing his flatfender with his CJ-7 to a Jamboree when he tried to stop. The flatty pushed the CJ-7, specifically the rear end, so the CJ-7 ended up rolling over. Being unhurt, he was able to use the flatty to right the 7, then he reversed positions, towing the CJ-7 with the flatty! I guess he didn't get over 25 mph, but he got there. Minimal damage to the 7, which was good. Can't imagine it myself, I have a '95 Trooper and I'm looking for something bigger to tow the Scrambler with.

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif Believe me when I tell you that I have spent A LOT of time towing trailers, and in my opinion, short wheelbase of ANY kind is the pits. My favorite tow machine of all time is a GMC 2500 8' bed 2WD pickup, with the 465 4-speed, 3.73's, full floaters in the rear, and a well-built 350 CID with the steel crank. I have seen SO DARN MANY trailers spin the towing vehicle that I lost count, from rickety little garden-refuse trailers to tandem axle vacation homes. We are deep in thought right now designing the ideal Jeep transport, and we are trying to incorporate all the lessons learned from years (about fourty) of trailering everything you can think of from race cars to Caterpillars./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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Sorry to burst your bubble on the V-6 Toy, but that's only one step in the right direction. Full-size 1/2 ton pickup or utility would be the absolute MINIMUM you should consider. And definitely use trailer brakes. I remember once at a gas station, this guy pulls in with a Ranger towing some small car like an Escort or something similar. He hits the brakes at about 20 MPH, locked them up on the Ranger, & went right on through the gas station, right back out onto the highway w/o hardly slowing down (brakes locked the entire time). I've had a couple of "hairy's" with trailers in tow. Having a proper tow vehicle & brakes made the difference between "having a hairy" and having a wreck.

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On the towing subject:

I have a '96 K1500 with a 305ci and the 4L60E (electric 700R4) and have thought about using it to tow my YJ. I am thinking about fab'ing a tow bar to flat tow and am looking into trailers as well. I am on the second 4L60E but it has a 50K warrenty and a cooler on it now, so it is not a problem if I burn it up, I'll just take it back and get a new one. BUT I have my eyes on a '98 3500 4x4 duelly diesel, pulls like a mule with 30K. May be able to get it for $25K and am thinking about selling the '96 and putting up some more $$ to get the diesel. Problem, I have never owned a diesel and it would be my daily driver.

I will be towing my YJ from AL to Maine sometime within the next year, plus the occasional tow to the trails 4hrs away max. Should I keep the '96 and put 4.11's in it or think seriously about the diesel? Your $.02 is fine!

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Guess I'll add my two cents... I towed my Dad's house trailer (we use it for Hershey every year and that's it) 5 miles with my Jeep once out of necessity and I thought I was going to die. These guys are all right, forget trying to stop in less than a 1/4 mile, and the wheelbase is the killer. I have been preaching the wheelbase thing for years, but no-one ever listens...

Actually, including me. I just bought a 4x4 Quad cab Ram, and I should have gotten the longbed for towing's sake, although the shortbed is still on a full-size wheelbase with the Quad cab, so it flat tows the CJ-7 fine. I just knew that the longbed Quad cab was going to pretty much kill my wife driving it - that extra 18 inches is like "the straw that broke the camels back" - you're out of standard parking lots, etc.

I recommend the Dodge for towing - they're probably all fine, but I did spring for alot of extras that help - HD service group, tow package, 360, and I got 4-wheel anti-lock breaks - not because they'll stop that much weight any better, they won't, but I figure when the @#$% does hit the fan, they'l give me more control then.

Anyway, towing is serious business - I'm new to it, and I've always been afraid of it - so for myself and all you guys, I recommend a tow vehicle that is SUBSTANTIALLY bigger that what's being towed, and good, heavy-duty equipment.

Basically, I'm just mouthing off about my trucks because I'm so psyched to go to Tellico I can't concentrate on work...

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Just a note on the diesel for V8Jeep, unless you average over 50 miles every time you start up your rig, or, it runs continuously for over an hour every time you start it, forget the diesel. They are the wrong application. Yes, they do tow, but so do the new big block v-8 or v-10's. Problem with diesel is they need to be meticulously CLEEN. Dirt or contamination comes when they are started or shut-off. Because of short trips, a typical diesel will lose 1/3 of its performance in the first 7500 miles unless care and a large sum of money is spent on it to service it and all the filters and injectors. Now, if you do have it run for extended times, it will save you $$$ over a gas engine.

BTW, Don't tow anything of any substanence with the CJ.

Good Luck. (P.S. I know this will raise some tempers, but stay away from fords. I have an 89 F-350 cab/chasis motor home, with the 460 and use it to pull my CJ. It is the worst engine ever produced, even after a complete tune-up, top speed with the CJ is 60, without, 65 mph.)

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I too am not a Ford fan, but a buddy of mine had one with a 460 in about that same year (early injected 460) - but in a pickup. We did fine towing a pair of CJ5's on a long tagalong behind it (he had a 5-speed). Wasn't a real powerhouse, but did better than your class A. As for the 1/2 ton 305 vs. dually 6.5TD, I too would say that unless you plan lots of miles all the time, stick with a gas engine. But, don't bother with 4.10's in your 1/2 ton. You'll still need to tow in "Drive", but will rev the engine harder than with 3.73's or 3.42's. 4.10's would be nice in O/D WITHOUT the trailer though. I've got a '90 GMC Z71 with 3.73's & a 350 and it's really very marginal for towing a Jeep-sized vehicle on a trailer. My next truck will have a GVWR of either 8800 or 9200 lbs (can't decide on 2500 or 2500HD).

And to the guy with the shortbed Quad-cab, don't fret. Your wheelbase is actually LONGER than a reg-cab longbed. And with the shorter rear overhang of a shortbed, the tongue-weight is closer to the rear axle (assuming tagalong trailer & no equalizer hitch). But, because it's closer, you'll need a bit more of it to be stable (less leverage).

TEX

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif I dunno about that, fj.....I had a 454 in a Suburban that was actually a boat anchor in disguise. I spent a ton of dough trying to make an engine out of that dog and wished constantly that I had my "built" 350 SB back. I guess a dog is a dog. You have it right on the Diesels, and one more thing....if it has a turbo like the new Ferds do, better plan your driving with some cool-down time when you get to where you're goin' unless of course you LIKE paying two grand for a new turbo/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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Dave, when you say cool-down time is needed, do you mean that if you shut it off you should let it cool before you fire it up again? Or, do you mean that you need to stop every so often on extended trips for the purpose of cool-down? I'm not a diesel guy (nor do I plan to be), but I have a lot of pals that like 'em. BTW, I think all the diesel pickups have turbo's now - including the soon-to-be released 6600 Duramax.

TEX

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I have a comment about the diesel that sort of reflects the other poster's opinions. Personally, I wouldn't give a dime for the GM 6.5 TD. I know someone who has one and as he says, "it won't pull a greased string out of a cat's a$$". I have to disagree about the performance and required maintenance on a diesel. jfralph's comments were true of diesels built as little as ten years ago. There are enough modern advances in diesel engines and diesel fuel now that the only "expensive" maintenance requirement is additional costs of oil changes. My Powerstroke uses 14 quarts per oil change and I change every 4,000 miles with about 25% of those miles pulling around 6,500 pounds. I have an oil analysis done every 12,000 and they tell me that I could extend my oil changes to 5,000 if I wanted to. Fuel filters are around $10 and they get changed every 15,000. No big deal. I have 46,000 miles on mine and it pulls harder than the day is was new. It's no drag racer, but give me a steep hill and that sucker doesn't even know that there's a grade and it only takes about 3 minutes at idle to go from 1000F to 300F of exhaust gas temperature. You can't shut it off as soon as you top the hill because it will coke the oil in the turbo. Keep good fuel in the tank and they aren't any more hassle than a gas motor. As far as the V10's go, I pulled a Bobcat (maybe 5000 pounds with the trailer) the other day with a friend's V10 Ford and that thing couldn't get out of its own way! They advertise a lot of torque, but it's not in a towing friendly RPM range. You have to get the thing wound up first. I like GM's new 6.0 V8 (or a 454) much better. If you really want a diesel stick with a Powerstroke or Cummins or wait for that new GM 6.6 Duramax. The extra cost can be compared with buying a quality welder. The additional $$$$ can be spread out over many years if you treat it right. Tex, get the 2500HD! That extra GVW makes a big difference and they ride just as good. Just my highly biased $0.02!

 

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Thanks for the input, I have always heard that diesels don't like to be rode for short distances and shut off. My daily commute is about 20 mi round trip so I'd definitely be killing a diesel engine. I'll just have to see how my K1500 pulls the jeep and go from there, have only had it for 6 mo and haven't pulled anything (except for a load of wet wood in the bed, which is when I burnt the tranny up! ) Will be pulling the boat soon if it keeps getting warmer though!

Anyone know where I can find a trailer tongue to fab a tow bar for flat towing my YJ? Should I just find a boat trailer and cut off the tongue and build up from there?

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Can't help you on the towbar (my personal comments on that style of towing will open an entirely different can of worms /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif), but the best thing you can do to make that tranny live is take that sucker out of O/D unless you really need it to be there. Anything less than 70 MPH is "Drive" IMO. Add a load, & speed doesn't matter - run it in "Drive".

As to SnowTow's comments: The Silverado/Sierra 2500 LD is actually the equivalent of the old 2500HD (both being 8800 GVWR), while the 2001 2500HD is actually a single-wheel one-ton (starting in '01, all 3500's will be dually's). There's no longer a 7200 GVWR 2500 - which was essentially a "heavy half". With all that in mind, I'm still with you on leaning toward the 2500HD. Only thing is I've determined that the "new" truck will be purchased about a year from now. I want the "new-style" (Silverado/Sierra not the C/K) truck & may opt for the standard 2500 if I find a killer deal on a used one. If I want the Vortec 8100 & the Allison, I HAVE to get the HD, but if I stick with the 6000 & 4L80E, I can have either. The HD will have a bigger rearend, though & the HD version of the 6000 has better heads (at least for now) & lower-restriction exhaust. If they only put the 6000 with the Allison, I'd have my choice made for me./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif Then, I just have to worry about X-cab or Crew-cab & long vs. shortbed (the ONLY reason I'd get the longbed is for 10 extra gallons of fuel courtesy of the bigger tank). This truck will not be a daily driver. If it was, it'd be 2500LD, X-cab, shortbed all the way. But, as is, I have some decisions to make/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif.

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2 comments

1. I've owned a lot of CJ's, and they tow a light trailer just fine, but anything heavier than about 1200# - 1500# will push a Jeep around corners and curves and really make your cheeks pucker to your seat.

2. I flat towed a CJ5 from last summer from Missouri to Michigan. Actually, my brother towed it the first half with his raggy old '78 F-150 2WD. He said he didn't know the Jeep was even back there. I towed it the 2nd half with my '95 Explorer Sport (short wheelbase 2 door). I had plenty of power, but when I went over 601 or 62 MPH that Jeep started jumping back and forth and pushing that Explorer from side to side all over the road. That's the difference wheel base makes in a tow vehicle.

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