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/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gifAbout thirty-something years ago, I was helping out an equipment dealer on a water supply project in southern Utah. The big day came for filling the pipeline and start-up, only to find that the flowmeter had been removed and sent back to Provo for rework, leaving a gaping hole in the pipeline. Well, we COULD run the system without a meter temporarily, but the "welder" was gone that day, and there was no way to weld up the 12" diameter hole. You see, in Enterprise Utah, everybody does ONE thing....like there is a backhoe guy, an electrician, a welder guy...well, you get the idea. Me, I'm sweatin' this out because I'm supposed to be in Moses Lake WA the next day on ANOTHER project, so I'm desperate. "Isn't there ANY other welder?" I asked.. "Well, Floyd here just got a brand new Sears Roebuck Acetylene torch." said one guy..... I looked over at Floyd, and with renewed hope asked: "Didja git th' tanks too?" "Yep." said Floyd.."But I don't know how to use it yet." I was in heaven.....there WAS a way out of this mess....so we all jumped in pickups and went to Floyd's place, and sure enough, in an old tool, shed, in all it's shiny brassness, was a brand new Sears Roebuck torch....cutting AND welding tips. "Got any rod with it?" I queried. "Er...no." answered Floyd. "Well." I said. "Just go over to the house and ask yer wife real nice for ten wire coat hangars." The faces of those guys became kind of quizzical, but nobody said a thing as we loaded everything in one of the pickups, and headed for the jobsite. Once there, I lost no time in locating the cut-out pipe segment and welding that sucker back in the hole to the amazement of "the boys" who all thought I was "Thet fact-tree guy from San Jose CA." not some field welder. When we got back to Floyd's, I took chalk and wrote on the tool shed wall this cryptic scrawl: Cut: 40 and 8....Weld: 33 and 13 (regulator settings) It's probably still there./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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thats a pretty cool story Dave,

who or how did you figure out you could use a coat hanger as filler? didnt the plastic coating make a nasty smell?

strange, Ill try that story on the guys at work tomorow, $10 says most will take credit for discovering you could use a coat hanger, the rest will argue it cant be done...and this ONE guy will swear some important component of his car is held together by a bead of coathanger rod..

oh well, as I said, TIG is the SHIOT



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Is that why my wife won't allow metal coat hangers in my house!!! /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

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ahh... nothing like welding with coat hangers and bailing wire. even more fun welding with a cutting tip (got a kids rig home doing that)./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

i had to laugh about the reg settings, most people just dont understand them. these are the ones you do not want to watch work.

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All right I have seen a welder, but never even held one in my hand. I just gotta know what the setting are all about CUT 40 & 8 WELD 33 & 13?


BlackJack said,
i had to laugh about the reg settings, most people just dont understand them. these are the ones you do not want to watch work.

I know I can take the sh!t, but how else will I learn…

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CJ More,
Those are regulator pressure settings for oxygen and acetylene. For cutting torch O=40 A=8 with a welding tip O=33 A=13. It will all make sense when you start playing with welders. You will start playing with welders, you own a Jeep. Used to be that knowing a good welder was important for a jeep project, now it seems like you have to know how to weld good.

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i dont want anyone to take that as an insult, i am from a small town and everyone there has there own ideas to how regulators should be set. it is not rocket science, but if you screw up a regulator you could become a rocket/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif. it just scares me when someone cranks down on the regulator and then cranks open the bottle not paying attention to the fact that there is 2200 psi you are playing with in the oxy tank.

as far a learning to weld, there are a lot of inexpensive evening classes at most comm colleges and tech schools. they are generally very good, and worth the time to take. it was a requirement for my degree. even though i already could weld, i learned a lot of little things that improved my weld quality, and technique.

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I been welding with coat hangers for years, i.m just too damn cheap to go buy rods. give me a couple hangers and a couple battery i build you a nuclear sub

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A few years ago, in high school in the shop, some idiot cranked up the regulator to right up to 15psi on the acetylene, and it was my turn to use the torch... That was a bit un-nerving, considering it could have went boom if it had been too much higher... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif When I used to build headers for our race cars, we had an unlimited supply of baling wire from the balers, and from feeding cows baled hay. The 14-1/2 Gauge wire was perfect, and the softness was just right for filler welds. I probably used a mile of it if I added it up. The coat hangars were just a bit more difficult because they were slightly coated with paint, and a lot stiffer, but the pipe was heavy wall so I cranked up the heat. Needless to say I was wringing wet when I got done, but "the boys" got themselves one heck of a demonstration. Speaking of regulators....did you know that when using a big rosebud, that you run the mixer valves wide open and adjust the flame from the regulators? ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS use backflash valves. I like mine right on my J-100 mixer because it gives more to hang onto. They have been there so long that it would feel strange without them in it's stock form. I'm a Rembrant with my J-100 Victor./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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I hate to date myself, but the friend that did repair welding for me 35 yrs ago used coat hangers. I thought that was welding rod. As far as your settings, they seem high. To need that much capacity, you must have some pretty good sized equipment, industrial size. I don't do much gas welding anymore, but I seem to remember runing both at about 5 -7 lbs. Just my experience.

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif What you try to do is not use too much throttle at the mixer, to do it instead with the regulators, just like when you run a rosebud. If the reg settings are too high just as you mentioned, you will get backfiring at the tip if you try to use a small flame. I often have to back down on my Oxygen if I have to run really light stuff. 33 and 13 are a pretty good place for a farm guy to start, unless he's welding really thin stuff. Those settings work well with 14-1/2 Gauge baling wire. You can weld almost anything./wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

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dave, your giving me flashbacks of welding my exhaust up with a cutting tip and whatever was in the garage. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif you have to watch some of them coat hangers now as they have some weird additives in them that dont like heat. i think bailing wire still works the best, even over most commercially available rod.

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif I have a roll of DORMAN mechanic's wire that I got somewhere, and it is the same gauge and softness as baling wire. I use it for everything. The store-bought rod does not do as nice a job./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

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