Re: I SOLD MY GUN !!! I\'M GETTING TSL SWAMPERS !!!
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id408/pg1/
http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/carnivore.html
http://www.milnet.com/milnet/carnivore/carnivore.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/programs/carnivore/carnivore2.htm
The fbi one is probably one of the ones to pay the most attention to. However take what they say, such as
In reply to:
The ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct lawful electronic surveillance of the communications of its criminal subjects represents one of the most important capabilities for acquiring evidence to prevent serious criminal behavior. Unlike evidence that can be subject to being discredited or impeached through allegations of misunderstanding or bias, electronic surveillance evidence provides jurors an opportunity to determine factual issues based upon a defendant's own words.
Under Title III, applications for interception require the authorization of a high-level Department of Justice (DOJ) official before the local United States Attorneys offices can apply for such orders. Interception orders must be filed with federal district court judges or before other courts of competent jurisdiction. Hence, unlike typical search warrants, federal magistrates are not authorized to approve such applications and orders. Further, interception of communications is limited to certain specified federal felony offenses.
Particularly the first sentence of the second paragraph. They say they need special authorization to use it. I'm going to have to call BS on that one… /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif I'm betting just about any person with an FBI badge would probably be able to use that thing without bothering to find any authorization. /wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif
There's no way to determine that because they likely won't release their records of who they have and haven't checked with it. My personal feeling on this matter is that they will abuse it. Much like I consider the cameras they have on every street corner in Europe abuse. Here we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but when they randomly scan or posses a tool that can randomly scan all network traffic (easily expandable if it can't already get all network traffic) that thought gets turned the other way around… (guilty until you prove yourself innocent.)
I simply can't agree with allowing them to create a system that could eventually be required to be put in place with every ISP (giving them access to everything), and creating huge security issues.
In reply to:
The use of the Carnivore system by the FBI is subject to intense oversight from internal FBI controls, the U. S. Department of Justice (both at a Headquarters level and at a U.S. Attorney's Office level), and by the Court. There are significant penalties for misuse of the tool, including exclusion of evidence, as well as criminal and civil penalties. The system is not susceptible to abuse because it requires expertise to install and operate, and such operations are conducted, as required in the court orders, with close cooperation with the ISPs.
I seriously doubt the equipment requires that much expertise to install and or operate. I would be willing to bet that virtually any teenager or a bit older who has lived using computers for a year or more would have the ability to use it, if they so desired… /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
Sorry, I'm ranting. Just that I don't believe they should be able to use such devices regardless of how safe they say it is… Who's to say the people at the top don't open it up for abuse privately? You know, just secretly say "sure, it's ok, go ahead and use it" to the agents or whomever for no cause at all…
Oh, rocketman, about the Nebraska ocean front property, that sounds like a good plan to me... /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif
Tim "Sandman"
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