T19 and Jeep question

I've installed two 6.32 first gear International T-19's in CJ-7's - there are differences between this and the T-18 swap, but I think it's cheaper and better. I always use a Dana 20 with the swap, although a Scout Dana 300 could be used, or you could get an Advance Adapter and do almost anything, but I think they're too expensive when the stuff is so plentiful at the junkyards...

Also, Internationals used the 6.32 T-19 all the time, but mostly in two-wheel drive applications. What you have to do is marry a 6.32 2wd with a 4.0 Scout 4wd. I find this to be pretty easy, and quite frankly, I see both of these trannies all the time... - Guess it depends on where you live, because I have NEVER run across any other flavor of T-19 other than these two, but I know they're out there...

One final note - JEEPN - this is for you - the late 70's Scouts with the single speed chain drive transfer case all seem to have the 6.32 4wd models, and this is a drop-in, but rare - see if you can dig one of these up. - Chuck

Chuck Hadley

Chuck-

I have never seen one of these, and I have run across hundreds of Scouts (looked at an early 800 today, nice shape). What years were they made? What applications? 4.0 Scout??? Do you mean the 258 engine that was used or the 4.0:1 setup (like my '79)? With the number of Scouts around in junkyards, they ALL rust out from the salt on the roads, I'm sure I can find at least one. I have seen one 2WD in my travels, but didn't give it a second look due to it being 2WD. I do have a T-19 (4.0:1) that was mated to a 258 in a 1980 Scout II (brother already grabbed the transfer before I knew what it was, so no asking for it) /wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif I'll keep an eye out now that I know what to look for. BTW, could the tranny have been used in any 2WD trucks or other applications?

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7"Lift/33"TSL's/IHC D44's 4.10's Lock'd

JEEPN -

Here's what I know about International trannies (which is all from personal experience - I'm not some expert, but I know what I've seen)

2wd trucks seem to all or mostly have 6.32 T-18s or T-19s, depending on the year.

4wd Scouts almost always have 4.0 jobs with a nice little D20 adapter plate and mainshaft.

4wd 1-ton pickups, etc. have 2wd-style trannies with a divorced NP205?, and they are very often 6.32 first gear.

The single-speed transfer case Scout I dealt with had a 4 cyl. and was abot a '78 - it had the 6.32 first gear and D20 adapter and mainshaft, even though the transfer case itself was some weird aluminum animal. This was a real find.

ALL 6.32 T-18s and T-19s have a 13-tooth input shaft gear, regardless of the input shaft length, dia., etc. This is easy to spot by pulling the 6 cover bolts.

T-18s have the trany mount as part of the adapter plate, whereas T-19s have it as part of the tranny housing. This means that a T-19 4wd setup requires movement of the crossmember on a Jeep (no biggie), and a T-18 with the T-19 adapter plate leaves you with no tranny mount.

The T-18 and T-19 mainshafts would be interchangeable were it not for differences in the snap ring grooves - I've never messed with re-grooving them, but I hear it's possible...

The trick to getting one in a Jeep is to purchase a Ford T-18/T-19 (same) input shaft which is 6 and something inches long, 1.125 dia., and 10-spline. You also need the Ford front collar - both of these are available new for a reasonable price at Border Parts in CA. This requires the use of the Advance adapters pilot bushing #716156 when used with an AMC motor, and also, the bellhousing must be re-drilled for the IH bolt pattern and the tranny and bellhousing bolted up as a unit (also no biggie).

I've never paid more than $125 for any of the IH trannies. They usually throw in the IH D20 for free, which has a nice front housing that lends itself well to a twin-stick shifter conversion.

You can use the T-18 or T-19 adapters to mate up a D18 transfer case if you go to the trouble of swapping your D18 guts into a D20 case, this works out really nicely for older Jeeps and Q-trac jobs...

Hope this info helps - If I've left out anything else you want to know, I may know it, but just forgot to mention it - so ask away! - Chuck



Chuck Hadley

Roc-Jeep -

You need:

2wd T-19 with 6.32 first
4wd T-19 with 4.0 first
Ford 13-tooth input
Ford front collar
The Advance Adapter pilot bushing I mentioned
Your bellhousing will work fine (you will be drilling it for a new bolt pattern, but the indexing hole is correct as is the distance from the engine. The only bolt up with a T-150 bellhousing is a Jeep or a Ford T-18), and you can only use an IH D20 with this because the Jeep D20 shifter housing (the round tube part) interferes with the T-19 housing. This is no big deal as the IH D20's are plentiful, or I have the pieces that would be required to convert a Jeep D20 to the IH D20 shifter configuration. I highly recommened doing the D20 twin-stick conversion at the same time, which is detailed on the Binder Bunch Scout page.
You will need to remount your crossmember/skidplate about 2" farther forward in relation to the frame.
Also, as with any swap like this, you will have to have new driveshafts made up when it's all over. I always do the front myself, and then have the rear done professionally and balanced.

Chuck Hadley

This is awesome, thanks. I printed it out to put in my notebook for future reference (when I head to the junk yard). I appreciate all the info /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7"Lift/33"TSL's/IHC D44's 4.10's Lock'd