i dont understand why most of you guys dont like the square headlights on jeeps. its still a jeep no matter what!!! so why dont you like them???
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I`m here with ya Derek . It`s that old Round Headlight Envy thing happening again . When will the RECTANGLE guys ever learn ??? You just cant compare a REAL good old USA made AMC JEEP to a RECTANGLE Headlighted unit /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif. No matter how much they try and convince themselves that they are as good as us , they will never succeed . Let the flames roll /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif
Jeff /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif
Jeff /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif
I was flipping thru the tv & 'Clueless' was on with the blonde chick driving a white YJ, so they MUST be better /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
pbm
There is a difference between being Educated and Intelligent!
pbm
There is a difference between being Educated and Intelligent!
I agree on blonds definitely being better. Square headlights? I don't think so!
Caver Dave
'72 Commando
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Caver Dave
'72 Commando
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Sorry, I should have put "sarcasm implied" earlier.
pbm
There is a difference between being Educated and Intelligent!
pbm
There is a difference between being Educated and Intelligent!
DC must have realized what most of us already know, cause they went back to the round headlights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
84 CJ-7 Just completed, t-18/dana20, dana44 rearw/welded diff dana 30 front and the old 258 amc. http://jeepinaround@localbar.com
84 CJ-7 Just completed, t-18/dana20, dana44 rearw/welded diff dana 30 front and the old 258 amc. http://jeepinaround@localbar.com
H8, if Square is better, how come the auxilary lights on your bumper are ROUND?!?
Shortly after the TJ came out, I asked a friend who is a salesman for the local Chrysler dealer and he told me the wrangler was a much better seller after they put on the round headlights--something about how Chrysler (remember, this was before the DC merger) was considering scrapping the jeep altogether if they didn't increase sales! So I guess you can say round headlights saved the Jeep!
Of course, my opinion is that a CJ is a better rig than a wrangler so the square/round thing is a moot point! (stock--there are some seriously nicely built wranglers running around, especially on this board! Funny how most YJ and TJ mods tend to make them similar to a CJ....)
It's all a state of mind, and if you don't mention the state of my mind, I'll be happy to overlook yours!
Shortly after the TJ came out, I asked a friend who is a salesman for the local Chrysler dealer and he told me the wrangler was a much better seller after they put on the round headlights--something about how Chrysler (remember, this was before the DC merger) was considering scrapping the jeep altogether if they didn't increase sales! So I guess you can say round headlights saved the Jeep!
Of course, my opinion is that a CJ is a better rig than a wrangler so the square/round thing is a moot point! (stock--there are some seriously nicely built wranglers running around, especially on this board! Funny how most YJ and TJ mods tend to make them similar to a CJ....)
It's all a state of mind, and if you don't mention the state of my mind, I'll be happy to overlook yours!
Husky Jeep....Yeah, you just keep thinking DC is on our side... hehehe.. wait till they stab you in the back, then I'll say "DC must have known this was better..."
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=-Ben
94 ZJ - Work Commuter.
89 FSJ - 6-inch Rustys kit, XTerrains 33"S
87 YJ - 5" of lift33BFG's on the way. ARB snorkel. Borla Header.
48 CJ2A - DOA.
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=-Ben
94 ZJ - Work Commuter.
89 FSJ - 6-inch Rustys kit, XTerrains 33"S
87 YJ - 5" of lift33BFG's on the way. ARB snorkel. Borla Header.
48 CJ2A - DOA.
This is more or less a repeat of my victorious argument from a discussion of same some moons back:
It's simple common knowledge that round headlights are better. A lens gains its greatest diffraction at the outer edges, which the square headlight cuts away. The peripheral low-intensity light gained by this can illuminate a tree or rock or pedestrian that the square headlights would miss. Eyeballs, camera lenses, telescopes, all are round. High power searchlights, satellite sending dishes, fiber-optic cabling... all round.
Round is superior to square in structure. Squares are subject to greater stresses at their joints and must be gusseted to make them maintain rigidity. The ultimate goal of gusseting is to add more angles to a square... in essence, to make it round. The strength of roundness can be seen in the grandest of structures, characterized by the rounded domes and sweeping arches of classical architecture. While it is true that arches rely upon trapezoidal blocks for construction, this is more a matter of man's inperfection than of any implicit lack of strength in the circle.
Religion and folklore, indeed the nature of the universe itself has long acclaimed the virtues of roundness. The yin-yang... "the Circle of Life"... "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)". The structure of atoms, the very building blocks of all that exists, is a round nucleus within a round electron haze. Celestial bodies inscribe a circular path through the cosmos. Simultaneously, it has foretold the fallacy of the square... the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse correspond to the four corners, or four sides represented in this most evil of geometrics. Taking the "square root" of many whole numbers leads to an irrational, or incomprehensible digit... to make this digit comprehensible, it must be "rounded" to the nearest approximation.
All this makes CJs better than TJs which are better than YJs. The deciding factor here is the turn signals. YJs have all square lights all around... inferior. TJs have the round headlights, but square turn signals... better, but still inferior. CJs have the obviously superior round turn signals in addition to the obviously superior round headlight, making them the best combination of all. Very early CJs had even more round lights, making them the ultimate expression of nighttime fortitude.
Additionally, if you're adding auxiliary lights, wouldn't square Hella/KC/PIAA's just look gay?
And the final blow was Janet Reno = square. Round wins.
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
It's simple common knowledge that round headlights are better. A lens gains its greatest diffraction at the outer edges, which the square headlight cuts away. The peripheral low-intensity light gained by this can illuminate a tree or rock or pedestrian that the square headlights would miss. Eyeballs, camera lenses, telescopes, all are round. High power searchlights, satellite sending dishes, fiber-optic cabling... all round.
Round is superior to square in structure. Squares are subject to greater stresses at their joints and must be gusseted to make them maintain rigidity. The ultimate goal of gusseting is to add more angles to a square... in essence, to make it round. The strength of roundness can be seen in the grandest of structures, characterized by the rounded domes and sweeping arches of classical architecture. While it is true that arches rely upon trapezoidal blocks for construction, this is more a matter of man's inperfection than of any implicit lack of strength in the circle.
Religion and folklore, indeed the nature of the universe itself has long acclaimed the virtues of roundness. The yin-yang... "the Circle of Life"... "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)". The structure of atoms, the very building blocks of all that exists, is a round nucleus within a round electron haze. Celestial bodies inscribe a circular path through the cosmos. Simultaneously, it has foretold the fallacy of the square... the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse correspond to the four corners, or four sides represented in this most evil of geometrics. Taking the "square root" of many whole numbers leads to an irrational, or incomprehensible digit... to make this digit comprehensible, it must be "rounded" to the nearest approximation.
All this makes CJs better than TJs which are better than YJs. The deciding factor here is the turn signals. YJs have all square lights all around... inferior. TJs have the round headlights, but square turn signals... better, but still inferior. CJs have the obviously superior round turn signals in addition to the obviously superior round headlight, making them the best combination of all. Very early CJs had even more round lights, making them the ultimate expression of nighttime fortitude.
Additionally, if you're adding auxiliary lights, wouldn't square Hella/KC/PIAA's just look gay?
And the final blow was Janet Reno = square. Round wins.
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
So, let me see if I can settle this...88YJ's are best...built by AMC (mostly). It's hip to be square, so square head lights are better, and our factory aux lights are square...'nuff said!
88 YJ Laredo-stock everything...for now
88 YJ Laredo-stock everything...for now
Yeow! fullygruntled put it on you guys!
Round wins!
Someday all the squares will be gone, face it, they only made so many before they pulled their head out and made things right again.
Round wins!
Someday all the squares will be gone, face it, they only made so many before they pulled their head out and made things right again.
Being a Square myself, i belive squares add a rigid, mean, tough look to the jeep. Not a happy sasy look. Why are the tail lights not circle on the cj's??? I believe the TJ's sold like wild fire have something to do with the "all new" body style and the quad coil springs. The geomitry of Circles are proven, but the style of the squares live on.
Even if you take the square root of a positive you will still get (a) Negitive answer...
Sorry, my YJ is a 90, not an 87.
Even if you take the square root of a positive you will still get (a) Negitive answer...
Sorry, my YJ is a 90, not an 87.
See, this is just it... the arguments for the virtues of square headlights center on the "look and feel," not on reasoned functional properties and strengths. So apparently square headlights are in the same category of auto accessories as custom shift knobs, plasti-chrome wheel covers, neon, big exhaust tips, and Type-R stickers.
(puts on his Nomex underoos)
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
(puts on his Nomex underoos)
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
Yeah, square headlights are nice, I loved the square headlights on my Japanese rice-burner in high school. I got to tell you they DID make that 500lb car look MEAN.
Funny that they first put the square headlights on the same Jeep designed to be more car-like and not roll over as easily.
Round lights are the best, 8 years of square...49 years of round and counting.
TEXAS1AL
84 CJ-7; 258 I6; Restored-to-Stock Condition
Funny that they first put the square headlights on the same Jeep designed to be more car-like and not roll over as easily.
Round lights are the best, 8 years of square...49 years of round and counting.
TEXAS1AL
84 CJ-7; 258 I6; Restored-to-Stock Condition
C'mon guys. All the classic 4x4s have round lights:
Jeeps
Early Broncos
FJ40s
Defender 90s
Hummers
'72 Chevy trucks
Power Wheels
Unimogs
There are two things that kill me......
Liberty's have round lights (blasphemy)
Guys that put a YJ clip on a Scrambler (total blasphemy)
-raymo
4.6 Stroker Scrambler
Jeeps
Early Broncos
FJ40s
Defender 90s
Hummers
'72 Chevy trucks
Power Wheels
Unimogs
There are two things that kill me......
Liberty's have round lights (blasphemy)
Guys that put a YJ clip on a Scrambler (total blasphemy)
-raymo
4.6 Stroker Scrambler
Squares are great. My Square was built by AMC just like the old rounds, only with newer stuff. Well I guess the transmission ain't so great. The rest is OK until I change it to something stronger just like the guys with the rounds do.
I put round LEDs in the back
87YJ
Here we go again. Done once and now doing it right.
I put round LEDs in the back
87YJ
Here we go again. Done once and now doing it right.
cj5_pilot wrote:
"Funny how most YJ and TJ mods tend to make them similar to a CJ...."
Well I say: Funny how some CJ and YJ owners spend BIG money and time to convert to COIL springs, but there has never been a TJ converted to leaf springs. /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
"It's a Jeep thing... and I DO understand"
Duct tape, WD-40, and a BFH, what else do you need?
"Funny how most YJ and TJ mods tend to make them similar to a CJ...."
Well I say: Funny how some CJ and YJ owners spend BIG money and time to convert to COIL springs, but there has never been a TJ converted to leaf springs. /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
"It's a Jeep thing... and I DO understand"
Duct tape, WD-40, and a BFH, what else do you need?
I must disagree with you on the coil-leaf. There is this guy i saw buzzing up and down the road in a new TJ that he just re-did. You could see the weld marks were he put the leaf brakets (not yet painted).
I like the squares becasue they are farter apart than the cirles (exclude TJ's). Although the Cj's are More narrow.
If all classic off-roaders have cirlce then what did the oridginal BIG FOOT have? Ahhh, square.
The circles do provide better lighting and a harder to replace bulb, while the squares have sufficinet lighting and an easy to replace bulb.
I must say the firt gen. Camros would have looked funny with square driving lights. Although i do prefer the square turn signals on the 68's. I can even picuter a chevelle with 4 squares.
I guess the cirlces are for sportyness and the squares are for toughness.
Sorry, my YJ is a 90, not an 87.
I like the squares becasue they are farter apart than the cirles (exclude TJ's). Although the Cj's are More narrow.
If all classic off-roaders have cirlce then what did the oridginal BIG FOOT have? Ahhh, square.
The circles do provide better lighting and a harder to replace bulb, while the squares have sufficinet lighting and an easy to replace bulb.
I must say the firt gen. Camros would have looked funny with square driving lights. Although i do prefer the square turn signals on the 68's. I can even picuter a chevelle with 4 squares.
I guess the cirlces are for sportyness and the squares are for toughness.
Sorry, my YJ is a 90, not an 87.
There are a few competition TJs that have converted to leafs,....Im not sure of their reasoning behind it, but they have. But I digress this is after all a round headlight square headlight squabble, not a suspension squabble.
Round headlights look fine on many vehicles, volkswaggon bugs,..speed buggy(the cartoon), the liberty, hey they are all cool, if you like the Cartoonish Bug Eyed look, I just prefer the more realistic get down to buisness look of the squared away lights. Its sorta like the big square jawed construction worker look, as compared to the rolly-poly librarian look. The chisseled look of an athlete, compared to rounded features of an old wash women(no offense to any of the old wash women out there), Im just making a very obviouse comparison.
Jeff
89 YJ
(sensibly altered for occasional off road use)
Vision without Action, is a Daydream. Action without Vision is a Nightmare.
Round headlights look fine on many vehicles, volkswaggon bugs,..speed buggy(the cartoon), the liberty, hey they are all cool, if you like the Cartoonish Bug Eyed look, I just prefer the more realistic get down to buisness look of the squared away lights. Its sorta like the big square jawed construction worker look, as compared to the rolly-poly librarian look. The chisseled look of an athlete, compared to rounded features of an old wash women(no offense to any of the old wash women out there), Im just making a very obviouse comparison.
Jeff
89 YJ
(sensibly altered for occasional off road use)
Vision without Action, is a Daydream. Action without Vision is a Nightmare.
Alright, I hate to bring out the big guns, but here it is:
John Wayne never drove a jeep with square headlights.
So it's simple, if the Duke always drove Jeeps with round headlights, it's obvious they are much cooler! *grin*
And think of Rat Patrol in a YJ? *SHUDDER!*
It's all a state of mind, and if you don't mention the state of my mind, I'll be happy to overlook yours!
John Wayne never drove a jeep with square headlights.
So it's simple, if the Duke always drove Jeeps with round headlights, it's obvious they are much cooler! *grin*
And think of Rat Patrol in a YJ? *SHUDDER!*
It's all a state of mind, and if you don't mention the state of my mind, I'll be happy to overlook yours!
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