Amen to what President Bush said.

As to the evil-doers... shoot 'em all and let God sort them out! Enough is enough.


LEVE

 

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He also said it was a "disgraceful act of cowardice." It's great to have someone in office that talks straight. It reminds me of Reagan. The thing that stinks about these whacks shooting their classmates is that the government might over react and take away everyone's guns. I think this happened in Australia.

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No kidding Shootist! I am more and more proud I voted for him every day. It took quite a while to find someone who actually covered even a small part of his speech! I wonder why? I finally found his actual wording in print:

"When America teaches our children right from wrong and teaches values that respect life in our country, we'll be better off."

I was watching from across the room in the coffee shop on campus just before coming home this afternoon - so there was a lot of interference in there. But if I remember correctly, he stated something similar to this twice in the interview. I think the one above was in response to a question that went something like: "What can you do as president to stop the violence?"

Not a single mention about gun legislation and control, not a word about how we need more laws and social programs, not a word about how we need to increase funding to education. Not even a "My administration is taking steps to . . ." Just a simple declaration of it being "act of cowardice" and a workable solution everyone can take part in!



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Bravo!!!
It's about time to put the blame were it is due.
I've got to check the news and see this.

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Right on!

And I got $10 that says that kid was on ritalin or prozac. Like all the other "shooters."

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We finally have the right man for the job in Washington! Imagine--we were just a few dimpled chads away from more gun laws.

Ken

 

Respecting others has something to do with it also. There's not enought of it going around. Seems to be getting worse, here lately.

 

I am glad I voted for Dubya!!!

Hank
88 YJ (sort of)

 

FINALLY, someone who has the guts to tell it straight! He talks the talk and walks the walk. He's also the first one to do what he says, even thought it may not be the most popular, because it's the RIGHT thing to do. I'm glad WE voted for him.

JEEPN
Winter Harbor, Maine
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
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HOORAY FOR BUSH

I am soo freaking sick and tired of these kids with guns. I think the statement should have read like this:

"When parents start teaching their kids right from wrong, AND LOCKING THEIR GUNS IN SAFES these shootings will stop."

I think if i child (under 13 IMHO) does one of the shootings with a parents gun, the parents should be charged too. Dont seem to happen like that though.

HMMMM

Boston Mangler
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Phrase: Moral Courage

Definition: See George W. Bush

Tread lightly and stop to smell the roses - Traveler

 

Watching the news last night I heard that the kid was a victim of bullying. So....talking about whose fault it is...we need to consider what was the cause of it all....and at the root of it all is the lack of parenting, on both ends of the conflict. On one of the local radio stations here in Atlanta, the DJ's were wanting bullies to call in so they could talk to them on the air. Guess what no one called in. Didn't suprise me though... I hate seeing someone being bullied and try to put a stop to it if I can. It seems like we are hoping for the next generation to solve the problem for us. When I have kids I'll teach them how to deal with bullies. My dad taught me when I was very little to alway think about the person on the recieving end. "how would you feel if it happened to you?" He also taught me how to fight and to stand my ground. I wasn't always the biggest kid, but I bloodied up a few noises and lips when they wouldn't stop making fun of me. "Fighting is not the answer, but if you need to hit them," Dad would say, "plan on hitting them until they can't get up." These lessons I will teach to my kids because my Dad's Dad taught them to him. I'm a nice guy and those that have met me would say the same, but when someone is taunting and degrading me, I stand my ground and fight if necessary.

and that's my $0.02

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With the same voice of reason used to deal with the shooting, he will also help us keep our public lands public. How strange it is that no one ever thinks to look to the parents. All you ever see are the parents being quoted saying "he was such a good kid". I am a gun owner, and I hunt and shoot, but until my kids are of age, they will not have guns without supervision. I grew up in a house with guns, and we were taught responsibility and respect for firearms. Until parents today do the same thing we will continue to have problems like this. Somehow we need to make society understand that a gun is a tool like any other. If you use it correctly, it can be beneficial and enjoyable. If you take a claw hammer and stick it in someone's head, it is no different than a gun, but nobody is trying to take away our hammers.
Cage Up, Wheels Down, and Kudos to George W.
Jeepfiend

 

Kudos to GWB. You know the freaky part? I was coming back into town yesterday
after our clubs big yearly event and I drove right by that high school about one
hour before the shooting. Too wierd.

Gary

 

Rob' your point is well made. True moral responsibility is not a one way street... only the final result is one way.

With a lack of civility, respect, patriotism, religion, ethics and morals being taught by parents (Often because they don't have any of the above) in our society it's no wonder there are not more evil that we now see.

Here's what I've told my kids, their rules for bullies:

1. Remember their cowards, plain and simple, stupid damnable cowards.
2. You're not a coward, you are brave, good, large of spirit and courage.
3. Walk away if you can. It's better no one get hurt.
4. If you can't and they even touch you with one finger, strike hard and strike very, very fast.
5. Then walk away when they are on the ground and can't hurt you agian.
6. Never, never strike them when their on the ground and can't hurt you... then you become the coward they are. This is never to be condoned.
7. Go and tell a responsible adult what happened and have them call me. I'll come and back you up to the hilt. You did what was right!
8. If EVER the problem was instigated by you... kiss your butt good by. You've just landed yourself in a heap o' trouble and you'll stew in your own juices. If you don't learn one way... you'll learn the other but you will learn.
9. Don't expect me to bail you out when you break rules.... I will attend any trials and argue in front of the judge for the maximum penality for you.
10. Remember at all times I love you and support you only when doing right, true and correct things, as you've been taught.

It's funny how the seven kids never had a bully lay their hands on my kids, except once. She laid that kid out like a sardine, He never knew what hit him. After he woke up he spent a little time in the Principles office and then went "away" with the County Sheriff.

Don't mess with my wife, my kids, my country, my God, or me.... unless you're willing to pay the concequences. They will be high. Each of my kids who now have families now are teaching the same thing to thier kids. I just hope we're a makin' the world a better place for others to live.

Again, God Bless President Bush, the air in America sure smells sweeter!


LEVE

 

Ya know Boston, that's all well & good but it still doesn't solve the problem. When I was a kid I knew right where my dad's gun was & where the shells were. I also knew I wasn't to touch them & that was good enough for me because that's how I was brought up. And in high school, I drove many a day to school with a shotgun & shells in my truck - had been turkey hunting before school. But, I never brought that gun out to show it off, much less INTO the school, and my parents were fine with that because they knew I had been TAUGHT not to do anything so stupid. Know what my parents did for a living? They were teachers. Yup, teachers who never blinked at the idea of me taking dad's gun or at the idea of me going to school with a shotgun behind the seat. Because they knew that I knew better than to cause a problem.

Maybe safes are a good idea & all, but kids have a funny way of learning combinations and/or where the key is hidden. Nope, the problem isn't guns or access to them. Hell, what is one of the all-time classic "family" movies? Old Yeller. And what takes place in that movie? A 13-year-old is sent to the woods unsupervised with a loaded gun - HIS gun - to bring meat back for the family. That was totally politically correct at the time of that film because in that day & age kids were taught right from wrong. And among those givens was that the teacher or your parents were ALWAYS the ones who were "right" in any conflict, with the kid being the one who was ALWAYS "wrong". You had respect for authority then. Getting a gun is harder today than ever, yet violence is up. Go figure, must not be the guns after all.

BTW, have you heard about the kid who went nuts in CA & ran over a bunch of fellow college students - killing several? His parents had known about his problems for a long time & even threatened to crack down on him. People around him said they were nice to him so that if he "ever snapped" they'd be spared. Should his parents be charged for allowing him access to that car? Statistically speaking, cars are a hell of a lot more dangerous than guns. They even make more effective murder weapons. So, should the parents go to jail for that?

TEX

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TEX:

Well put, Bravo.

I too grew up with guns, we had open access to guns and handguns. But we also learned respect for life. Makes a big difference. It was very common for us to have our hunting rifles in the truck so when school left out, we could go hunting. I had a handgun in my truck all the time, it was not uncommon to take my study period and go 8 blocks to the shooting range, and spend the time practicing.

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<<<<<Ya know Boston, that's all well & good but it still doesn't solve the problem. When I was a kid I knew right where my dad's gun was & where the shells were.
***** You had enough smarts to not go shoot up a school. Kids today dont, plain and simple. Times have changed

>>>>>Maybe safes are a good idea & all, but kids have a funny way of learning combinations and/or where the key is hidden.
***** That is just poor parenting. No Excuses there!!!

>>>>>Nope, the problem isn't guns or access to them.
***** Hmmm then what are all the SHOOTERS using? Not SALAD SHOOTERS!!

>>>>>Hell, what is one of the all-time classic "family" movies? Old Yeller. And what takes place in that movie? A 13-year-old is sent to the woods unsupervised with a loaded gun - HIS gun - to bring meat back for the family.
***** AGAIN you are talking in Days past when packing a gun in your backpack and showing it off made you cool. Time have changed man.

>>>>>>That was totally politically correct at the time of that film because in that day & age kids were taught right from wrong.
***** How long ago wast that? 20 some odd years?

>>>>>Getting a gun is harder today than ever, yet violence is up. Go figure, must not be the guns after all.
****** Thats a crock. I dont like guns nor do i have friends that do but i could easily get almost any gun i wanted (illegaly, but thats how the SHOOTERS get them) for less than $200 in under an hour. That tells you something.

>>>>>BTW, have you heard about the kid who went nuts in CA & ran over a bunch of fellow college students - killing several? His parents had known about his problems for a long time & even threatened to crack down on him. People around him said they were nice to him so that if he "ever snapped" they'd be spared. Should his parents be charged for allowing him access to that car?
***** HELL YES. If the kid has ISSUES which obviously he did it is mostly the parents fault for not doing something about it. How old was this kis?

>>>>>Statistically speaking, cars are a hell of a lot more dangerous than guns. They even make more effective murder weapons. So, should the parents go to jail for that?
***** Yes

REMEMBER!!! we are here sharing ONE interested and Passion: JEEPS we strat OT sometimes and express opinions on other things. We all obiviously have different views. I respect yours, you respect mine.

Boston Mangler
89 YJ With A Bunch Of Goodies
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I am beginning to find it amusing in recent years that everyone seems to think that respect is something given freely. You know what RESPECT is EARNED, just because you have an opinion on something, doesn't mean that myself or the next guy has to respect YOUR opinion. You may be a crackhead on a stolen computer for all I know, why should I respect your opinion just because you decide to voice it.

There are way to many people who think the world revolves solely around them these days, that's why our children have the same mentality, It's all about me, me, me!!! The first thing this little bastard in cali tried to do was lay blame "because they were always picking on ME!!!"

Boston says "Thats a crock. I dont like guns nor do i have friends that do but i could easily get almost any gun i wanted (illegaly, but thats how the SHOOTERS get them) for less than $200 in under an hour. That tells you something."
SO Mangler, by this statement alone you have already fingered yourself as being associated with a criminal element who can provide you with illegal firearms, but yet you want ME to respect your opinion. I think not. This is not an attack merely pointing out the whole ME thing.

I do like guns for the uses that they are intended, hunting, target shooting and blowing your ass away if you mess with my family or myself.

Just my .02, I may be wrong.

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I agree with you TEX.

I shot my first gun when I was in first grade, and I knew the LAWS of safe gun handling by that time! I carried one supervised with him by age 8, and was given my own gun on my 12th birthday my mother and carried it unsupervised in the field or forest whenever I wanted to go hunting. Even as young as four or five, I knew where the loaded guns were in the house - but above all else, I knew if I ever even THOUGHT about touching them - my dad would have whipped my behind until it fell right off! Geez! I can't even begin to imagine what would have happened to me if I would have told him, "Dad, I hate so and so because they pick on me all the time. I am going to show them all. I am going to take a gun in there and blow them all away!" I cringe even now at the thought of what my punishment would have been if I ever said something like that - even as a joke!!!! Did I have fear of my father - you better believe I did - but it wasn't the kind of abusive fear that all of these liberal sociologists talk about. I never once questioned if my dad loved me. It was a reverential type of fear in knowing that I would ultimately be held accountable by him if I screwed up!

But I think that's fine Boston; I can see your point. If we want to charge parents too, then so be it . . . . but we must give them back the right to be parents and give them the right to spank the living fire out of their kids when they need it!!!!!!!!! We have an established pattern in this society of where this touchy-feely response to the kid throwing a temper tantrum and destroying stuff at the grocery store: "It's okay Johnny, I know my sweet little poo-poo didn't mean to do that and he was just expressing all of his little pent up emotions. Now what can mommy do make it allllll better?" This positive reinforcement crap only goes so far - so if we are going to start charging parents when these kids screw up - then we need move on to some positive re-enforcement of the paddle to the seat of the pants!

BTW TEX, this is kind of off the subject in a way, but as I read your last paragraph, I began to think about something a gun totin' hillbilly recently told me. He said:

"I was wondering how many people YOUR gun has killed? None? Are you licensed and federally trained in how to use it? Your not? Is your gun registered and licensed? No? So now correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't Senator Kennedy's car kill THREE people? Wasn't he LICENSED and TRAINED how to properly use it? Well shoot! It was manditory that the car itself was REGISTERED and LICENSED before he drove it. . . and it still killed three people during the commission of a crime he was never prosecuted for!" /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif

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>>>>>>SO Mangler, by this statement alone you have already fingered yourself as being associated with a criminal element who can provide you with illegal firearms, but yet you want ME to respect your opinion. I think not. This is not an attack merely pointing out the whole ME thing.

***** I didnt even mean that remotely. I am not, have not, and will not be asscociated with these types of people but around here you can get anything ya want pretty freely, drus, guns, whatver. If you want to understand what i said as wrong as it appears you do, thats your own ignorant fault.

I was trying to make a point that they are accessable by people even without parents with guns or friends of criminals (myself)

POINT MADE

Boston Mangler
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>>>>>I do like guns for the uses that they are intended, hunting, target shooting and blowing your ass away if you mess with my family or myself.

***** This is the red neck attitude that gives real gun owners as bad name!!

Boston Mangler
89 YJ With A Bunch Of Goodies
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>>>>>but we must give them back the right to be parents and give them the right to spank the living fire out of their kids when they need it!!!!!!!!!
***** I agree with this 500% and this is partial my point why parents should be responsable

>>>>>We have an established pattern in this society of where this touchy-feely response to the kid throwing a temper tantrum and destroying stuff at the grocery store: "It's okay Johnny, I know my sweet little poo-poo didn't mean to do that and he was just expressing all of his little pent up emotions. Now what can mommy do make it allllll better?"
***** I agree with this 500% and this is partial my point why parents should be responsable

>>>>>>This positive reinforcement crap only goes so far - so if we are going to start charging parents when these kids screw up - then we need move on to some positive re-enforcement of the paddle to the seat of the pants!
***** The most itelligant words on this thread so far. BRAVO!!!!!

Boston Mangler
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See, I don't buy that "times have changed" thing. It's a cop-out for bad parenting. Sure there is less responsibility & accountability today. Is that a reason for more laws that only impact the responsible & accountable? Think that would be of much use? And "no excuse" for letting your kid get the combination to your safe? Come on! Do you have all of your household cleaners locked in a safe to which only you know the combination? Are you sure? 'Cause your kid is about 10 times more likely to DIE injesting household cleaners than to be shot. And I'll tell you one thing that has NOT changed - guns. Most popular deer rifle is a bolt-action .30-06. The cartridge goes back to 1906, the rifle several decades earlier. .357 Magnum created in 1935, .38 special decades earlier. 9MM predates WWI. .45 ACP created in the first decade of the 20th Century. And right up to 1934 you could LEGALLY walk into just about any hardware store & walk out with a Thompson Submachine gun complete with a 50-round drum (that's FULL automatic BTW). You tell me you could illegally get a gun any time you want. And I'm telling you that you could do so LEGALLY in the past. How exactly is getting one "illegally" as easy as getting one "legally"? And how is a new "law" going to solve the problem of stopping an already ILLEGAL activity?

No, I don't expect you to share my opinions on every topic, especially those not related to Jeeps. But, like most anti-gunners and non-gunners, you make it clear that you know little on the subject. So, when you say something I don't agree with, I'll be happy to repond with what I know. Just as you are free to do the same. Doesn't mean any disrespect to you or your opinions, just means I'm not buying what you're selling.

TEX

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