hi now that i am getting down to the final items on this project got a question that i have been thinking about for some time and have not yet got any good answer or for sure what to do about,,,,,, here is the problem,,,, the axles in a amc 20 do not use c clips to hold the axles in place like many gm types do,,,, the old amc axles were a pressed in type and that was not a problem of movement..... what is worrying me is since the axles dont have c clips in the ring and pinion area what is to keep the axles from working their way to outside,,,,,, i have gone over this time and time again and looking at what i have put together, i can see that the snap ring at the end of the outside axles hold the axles from moving in and the large ring snaps into the grove of the hub to keep the complete warn locks in place,,,,, but their is a rather deep area i would say about a inch deep in both the warn locks and the rock crusher solid drives that could let the axles work or move outward......the only thing i have been looking at is putting maybe a piece dwp delron as a spacer in that recess to prevent any movement of the axles,,,,, does anybody think this would be a good fix or am i missing something on this..... maybe i am over thinking this and it wont be a problem at all..... open for any feedback on this thanks....... i added a few photos to try to show what i am thinking.....
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question on axles movement on scrambler full floater project
hi now that i am getting down to the final items on this project got a question that i have been thinking about for some time and have not yet got any good answer or for sure what to do about,,,,,, here is the problem,,,, the axles in a amc 20 do not use c clips to hold the axles in place like many gm types do,,,, the old amc axles were a pressed in type and that was not a problem of movement..... what is worrying me is since the axles dont have c clips in the ring and pinion area what is to keep the axles from working their way to outside,,,,,, i have gone over this time and time again and looking at what i have put together, i can see that the snap ring at the end of the outside axles hold the axles from moving in and the large ring snaps into the grove of the hub to keep the complete warn locks in place,,,,, but their is a rather deep area i would say about a inch deep in both the warn locks and the rock crusher solid drives that could let the axles work or move outward......the only thing i have been looking at is putting maybe a piece dwp delron as a spacer in that recess to prevent any movement of the axles,,,,, does anybody think this would be a good fix or am i missing something on this..... maybe i am over thinking this and it wont be a problem at all..... open for any feedback on this thanks....... i added a few photos to try to show what i am thinking.....
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A little movement isn't a problem - a sixteenth of an inch, say. But if they can move an inch outboard that would be a problem. By then they'll be almost out of the side gears, or in your case, out of the locker clutch plates. I like your idea of a spacer, but I don't think I'd use Delrin. I theory there is nothing trying to move the shafts around, but when you're dealing with drive forces, there's no telling what might happen. I'd use aluminum. Delrin, Teflon, Nylon, UHMW, HDP . . . a lot of engineering plastics should be sufficiently strong and heat resistant, but I can pretty well guarantee that a chunk of 6061T6 won't get squeezed out.
movement of the axles
hi thanks for the feedback,,,, thats just what i thought also,,,, so i will work on having a round alu spacer machined to fit with just a little clearance,,,,, if i would have seen this problem coming i could have had the outside end machined so the axles could not shift to the outisde but that would have first known this and then getting the right place to leave the cut which as i have said before this project is pushing me in more ways than one...... just hope it all works as good as it seems to when i get it under the scramber thanks again
hi thanks for the feedback,,,, thats just what i thought also,,,, so i will work on having a round alu spacer machined to fit with just a little clearance,,,,, if i would have seen this problem coming i could have had the outside end machined so the axles could not shift to the outisde but that would have first known this and then getting the right place to leave the cut which as i have said before this project is pushing me in more ways than one...... just hope it all works as good as it seems to when i get it under the scramber thanks again
This was not an issue for me as I am using drive flanges and the axle is held outward by the drive flange cap. They are held from moving inward by a snap ring around the end of the axle, which bears against the drive flange. Which in turn is held from moving inward by a spring against the hub.
I will take a look at one of my Warn front hubs tomorrow and see if I can understand the problem. I assume this is only an issue with the hubs.
As for the spacer I would think about anything would work well. There is really no force trying to move the axle in or out, it is just a mater of keeping it in the right place.
I will take a look at one of my Warn front hubs tomorrow and see if I can understand the problem. I assume this is only an issue with the hubs.
As for the spacer I would think about anything would work well. There is really no force trying to move the axle in or out, it is just a mater of keeping it in the right place.
Another option is to machine another groove in the axle just inboard of your drive flange and install another snap ring.
movement of the axles
thanks for all the feedback,,,,, it all helps on the fix,,,, the idea of cutting another grove and snap ring wont work,,,, the axles are just the right length and if i did that i would not have full splines on the inside for the ring and pinion,,,, what i am really thinking now is to use the oem spacer that was removed from the stock axles,,,,,, take a look at the photo ,,,,,, i plan on cutting it in half then machine it down to the correct needed length to keep any movement of the new axles to the outside,,,, should work with both the solid drive and the warn hub locks as they both have the same size of recess and depth.....will post more on this after i do the mach work on them....
thanks for all the feedback,,,,, it all helps on the fix,,,, the idea of cutting another grove and snap ring wont work,,,, the axles are just the right length and if i did that i would not have full splines on the inside for the ring and pinion,,,, what i am really thinking now is to use the oem spacer that was removed from the stock axles,,,,,, take a look at the photo ,,,,,, i plan on cutting it in half then machine it down to the correct needed length to keep any movement of the new axles to the outside,,,, should work with both the solid drive and the warn hub locks as they both have the same size of recess and depth.....will post more on this after i do the mach work on them....
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movement of the axles
yes that might work for the rock crusher drives but i dont think it will work on the warn hub locks,,,,,,, dont see any harm in doing that for those,,,,,another idea i just dreamed up is useing the centering hole on the outside end of each side and cutting threads in the holes , then using two small bolts to hold some kind of extensions,,,, they would be about 3/4 of a inch and maybe alu,,, dmw or ????with hole drilled thru middle then use small amout of thread lock and no more worry about movement with either the solid drives or the warn units........ what do think of that idea???????feed back anyone thanks
yes that might work for the rock crusher drives but i dont think it will work on the warn hub locks,,,,,,, dont see any harm in doing that for those,,,,,another idea i just dreamed up is useing the centering hole on the outside end of each side and cutting threads in the holes , then using two small bolts to hold some kind of extensions,,,, they would be about 3/4 of a inch and maybe alu,,, dmw or ????with hole drilled thru middle then use small amout of thread lock and no more worry about movement with either the solid drives or the warn units........ what do think of that idea???????feed back anyone thanks
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