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Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
To defend Alec, He knows his stuff... about jeeps and trucks that is... When you said a leaf spring for a vette, I too cringed, but that's just my need for tidbits of knowlege...
Here in town, we have three autozones, I drive past two to get to the third, because those guys are able to actually hear what I want to do, and can get me the parts I need... I went in one day saying, "I need parts from a '74 J-10, '79 Lincon mark V, '79 F-150, and '77 Cj-5" The guy kind of stares at me, turns the monitor of the computer, and says, where do you want to start? Most other places (including napa) say I needed to go to a specialty shop who knew what they were doing (willsons' - now where've we heard that name before?) and that they wouldn't help put together a chop job on something that was obviously ******* engineered... I've heard that a couple of times... I think I'm building this jeep with safty in mind, then function... Its alittle off the wall, but still.... its a jeep thing...
I say that if you can give a comon-parts donor make/model/year its going to make everything easier. The only reason they need it is because of mis-managment in the mid and upper levels. They wan STASTICS on what parts the general public buys. Not how many Dana 44 gaskets did we sell in the 3'rd quarter of '97, but how many Dodge 1500 4x4 front axle gaskets. So they know if they need to increace their stock of bearings, gear oil, brake pads, etc etc etc... They need to know how many people are adding performance carburators to pinto's, and what FWD cars eat the most driveshafts so they can jack the prices alittle... Don't take it out on the counter peon, cuz the cash register won't ring if you don't sing...
Hmm, nice note to end this on... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
Florida Mud CJ-5
'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
To defend Alec, He knows his stuff... about jeeps and trucks that is... When you said a leaf spring for a vette, I too cringed, but that's just my need for tidbits of knowlege...
Here in town, we have three autozones, I drive past two to get to the third, because those guys are able to actually hear what I want to do, and can get me the parts I need... I went in one day saying, "I need parts from a '74 J-10, '79 Lincon mark V, '79 F-150, and '77 Cj-5" The guy kind of stares at me, turns the monitor of the computer, and says, where do you want to start? Most other places (including napa) say I needed to go to a specialty shop who knew what they were doing (willsons' - now where've we heard that name before?) and that they wouldn't help put together a chop job on something that was obviously ******* engineered... I've heard that a couple of times... I think I'm building this jeep with safty in mind, then function... Its alittle off the wall, but still.... its a jeep thing...
I say that if you can give a comon-parts donor make/model/year its going to make everything easier. The only reason they need it is because of mis-managment in the mid and upper levels. They wan STASTICS on what parts the general public buys. Not how many Dana 44 gaskets did we sell in the 3'rd quarter of '97, but how many Dodge 1500 4x4 front axle gaskets. So they know if they need to increace their stock of bearings, gear oil, brake pads, etc etc etc... They need to know how many people are adding performance carburators to pinto's, and what FWD cars eat the most driveshafts so they can jack the prices alittle... Don't take it out on the counter peon, cuz the cash register won't ring if you don't sing...
Hmm, nice note to end this on... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
Florida Mud CJ-5
'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
First off...my name is Alec with a C, but I guess your reading comprehension has gone away with your age.
You see...it's assholes like yourself that give ******** a bad name. I used the LT 1 comparison as exactly that, a comparison.
All I said was that it helps you give an application. I happen to use those catalogs very often because I know we have the part, and
the computer doesn't list it.
Also, there are some parts that you dont need a vehicle description...such as your Chevy starter solenoid you listed. However, when
someone comes in and says that they want a Chevy ball joint for a pickup...do I have the right to ask what tonage the truck is? Or
maybe I should have been with you when you bought the truck so I would know! Or maybe I shouldn't ask if it's 2 or 4 wheel drive!
Maybe I should just give you the first set of ball joints that come to mind!
You see...all I am doing is trying to make it easier for the guy who may not so much about vehicles. I have a lot of confidence
behind a parts counter. I can give you what ever you want, and I'll be more then you happy to let you give it try. If it doesn't work for
you bring it back, I can get credit for it! I wasn't looking to start some smartass, lets measure, "I've forgotten more then you'll ever
know" argument, I just posted it as light hearted fun.
Bye the way, AV gas is about $2.95 a gal. now!
Another thing...I have never worked at a McDonald's or any fast food for that matter. I never said I was a parts GOD, just a
knowledgeable parts guy that'll get you the right part the first time.
I bet you're one of those guys who think wheel cylinders are designated left and right on EVERY vehicle.
AleC
First off...my name is Alec with a C, but I guess your reading comprehension has gone away with your age.
You see...it's assholes like yourself that give ******** a bad name. I used the LT 1 comparison as exactly that, a comparison.
All I said was that it helps you give an application. I happen to use those catalogs very often because I know we have the part, and
the computer doesn't list it.
Also, there are some parts that you dont need a vehicle description...such as your Chevy starter solenoid you listed. However, when
someone comes in and says that they want a Chevy ball joint for a pickup...do I have the right to ask what tonage the truck is? Or
maybe I should have been with you when you bought the truck so I would know! Or maybe I shouldn't ask if it's 2 or 4 wheel drive!
Maybe I should just give you the first set of ball joints that come to mind!
You see...all I am doing is trying to make it easier for the guy who may not so much about vehicles. I have a lot of confidence
behind a parts counter. I can give you what ever you want, and I'll be more then you happy to let you give it try. If it doesn't work for
you bring it back, I can get credit for it! I wasn't looking to start some smartass, lets measure, "I've forgotten more then you'll ever
know" argument, I just posted it as light hearted fun.
Bye the way, AV gas is about $2.95 a gal. now!
Another thing...I have never worked at a McDonald's or any fast food for that matter. I never said I was a parts GOD, just a
knowledgeable parts guy that'll get you the right part the first time.
I bet you're one of those guys who think wheel cylinders are designated left and right on EVERY vehicle.
AleC
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
Thats Ok I waited 8 hours for the wrong parts last saturday,I ordered the right ones they just sent me the wrong ones ,but the last guy to replace the end cap on my trans put the seal in backwards and the cap on upsidedown ,,,wonder if that is why my bellhousing was caked with gear lube ? He also put bolts in that were too big for the recesses to get a socket into.
You could have handed me two wires and used me for a welder I was that hot.oh yeah the computer said the parts were in stock and the warehouse never takes more than 45 minutes to deliver parts ....HUMMMMM go figure.
but they did give me the right radiator hoses
Learn to let go of what does not serve you ,but forces you to serve it
Thats Ok I waited 8 hours for the wrong parts last saturday,I ordered the right ones they just sent me the wrong ones ,but the last guy to replace the end cap on my trans put the seal in backwards and the cap on upsidedown ,,,wonder if that is why my bellhousing was caked with gear lube ? He also put bolts in that were too big for the recesses to get a socket into.
You could have handed me two wires and used me for a welder I was that hot.oh yeah the computer said the parts were in stock and the warehouse never takes more than 45 minutes to deliver parts ....HUMMMMM go figure.
but they did give me the right radiator hoses
Learn to let go of what does not serve you ,but forces you to serve it
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Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
There are two kinds of people I really don't like.
1) A dumb sh*t in a smart shirt. Will not admit his short comings, will not accept help, does much more harm than good because of the stuff he screws up because he will not admit he has no idea what he is doing. People like these usually have some initials after their name or some kind of patches on their shirt or some kind of distinctive uniform or all the above.
2) People who really do have the knowledge but have an attitude - I'm smarter than you, you dumb sh*t. I worked for mine. What did you ever do? You are so far beneath me, that it is a real bother just let you breath the same air.
Two kinds of people I really do like.
1) "I'm new here, don't really know what I am doing, but if you will help me, I will do everything I can to help you." He isn't afraid to ask the boss or a more knowledgeable fellow employee and is really interested in getting it right even though he may be in brand new unfamiliar surroundings.
2) "Yes, I do know all that, and am aware that you may not have had the opportunity to learn what I did. Will be happy to help and pass on some of what I learned over the years. Perhaps you can put it together with what you already know. That could well be helpful to both of us either now or in the future."
Of course, there is a catagory of people out there that are just plain dumb and will never be anything but dumb. We should acknowledge them, help them when we can, help them stretch and expand their mind - just not put them in a position to hurt anyone or themselves. I could name a number of elected and/or appointed national political figures that fit this catagory to a tee.
CONCLUSION:
I don't like people who THINK they are smart or people who KNOW they are smart.
I do like people who KNOW they are not smart or who are not AWARE that they are smart.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
There are two kinds of people I really don't like.
1) A dumb sh*t in a smart shirt. Will not admit his short comings, will not accept help, does much more harm than good because of the stuff he screws up because he will not admit he has no idea what he is doing. People like these usually have some initials after their name or some kind of patches on their shirt or some kind of distinctive uniform or all the above.
2) People who really do have the knowledge but have an attitude - I'm smarter than you, you dumb sh*t. I worked for mine. What did you ever do? You are so far beneath me, that it is a real bother just let you breath the same air.
Two kinds of people I really do like.
1) "I'm new here, don't really know what I am doing, but if you will help me, I will do everything I can to help you." He isn't afraid to ask the boss or a more knowledgeable fellow employee and is really interested in getting it right even though he may be in brand new unfamiliar surroundings.
2) "Yes, I do know all that, and am aware that you may not have had the opportunity to learn what I did. Will be happy to help and pass on some of what I learned over the years. Perhaps you can put it together with what you already know. That could well be helpful to both of us either now or in the future."
Of course, there is a catagory of people out there that are just plain dumb and will never be anything but dumb. We should acknowledge them, help them when we can, help them stretch and expand their mind - just not put them in a position to hurt anyone or themselves. I could name a number of elected and/or appointed national political figures that fit this catagory to a tee.
CONCLUSION:
I don't like people who THINK they are smart or people who KNOW they are smart.
I do like people who KNOW they are not smart or who are not AWARE that they are smart.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
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Hey, don't laugh. I have a cresent type wrench - actually a Craftsman - that is labeled in mm, not inches. It's a 10" or there abouts, but is labeled some number of millimeters on the side. Could go out an get the exact numbers, but you get the idea.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
Hey, don't laugh. I have a cresent type wrench - actually a Craftsman - that is labeled in mm, not inches. It's a 10" or there abouts, but is labeled some number of millimeters on the side. Could go out an get the exact numbers, but you get the idea.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
Yikes! I never knew metric crescent type wrenches actually existed, well I figured they probably existed, but since i had never seen one I thought it was just a myth... /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4
Yikes! I never knew metric crescent type wrenches actually existed, well I figured they probably existed, but since i had never seen one I thought it was just a myth... /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4
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Had to go to the garage and check it out. I owned the wrench for years before I ever noticed the markings. Sez 10" on one side and 250 mm on the other side. First time I noticed it was a real shock. I called two or three people just to let them know I really had a metric cresent wrench.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
Had to go to the garage and check it out. I owned the wrench for years before I ever noticed the markings. Sez 10" on one side and 250 mm on the other side. First time I noticed it was a real shock. I called two or three people just to let them know I really had a metric cresent wrench.
Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
Q: What's wrong with smart people knowing they are smart?
A: Cause they're usually the dumbest people on the face of the earth. By whose criteria are they smart?
Statement: Makes things a lot simpler when you are trying to get something done... call an expert.
Retort: If there are any. Once again, an expert by whose criteria? Knowledge picked up from where? I am THE top person in my field in the entire state, no one more certified, period. I hold six different licenses, all top grade. Am I an expert? Nope. Am I regarded as an expert by others, yes, but why? I certainly don't know everything, not even close. Can I talk circles around others, yes, but I certainly have not experienced everything or "done it all", it's impossible. In my mind calling one's self an "expert" is childish. "Knowledgeable" is more like it.
Statement: Experts are smart enough to learn something new every day, and keep expanding their data base.
Retort: So why are they an expert? I thought experts knew everything.
"I agree with the stupid people that think they are smart part.
It seems the less they know, the more sure they are of themselves." From your post, I thought you were the expert.
In defense of Alec, he never called himself an "expert". If I am wrong, please post the quote and I'll post an apology. I know very few of you on this BBS, some I have personally met and wheeled with, most I have not. Understandable as we're spread across the country (and world), BOWLS of chili apart. So the only way I know everyone is through their posts, and I infer, through those posts, what their demeanor is. When I read a thread like this, I formulate certain hypothesis about each person, some positive, some negative. Unfortunately this is like a first impression on a sliding average, kinda hard to change. But you don't care, I know this already.
So here are my recommendations: Yep, I know no one appointed me Governor of the BBS, and you can just ignore my suggestions and go about your merry way. Doesn't bother me in the least, I won't lose sleep over it.
1) Lighten up. I can ask questions no one can answer, just like anyone else. Take the attitudes and check them at the door.
2) Stop proclaiming yourself "God O'the Dungheap" and professing to know all. "Where did you take your metallurgy classes? Your basic and advanced chemistry classes? Your machine and manufacturing training? How about your tool & die apprenticeship? Your auto-diesel technology training? Your basic apprenticeship? Your basic management training? Your business school? How many years have you been in business for yourself? How may companies do you own, or have you owned?)"
3) Work with others rather than browbeating them. You hammered on Alec pretty hard, the 22 quotes above are proof enough. We all have fun and games until it gets out of hand, and this is out of hand.
JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights
Kinda hard on the guy aren't you? If you'll look back through the posts, you'll see the atmosphere was jovial until you posted your message, then the tone changed. Too bad to see that on this BBS.
Q: What's wrong with smart people knowing they are smart?
A: Cause they're usually the dumbest people on the face of the earth. By whose criteria are they smart?
Statement: Makes things a lot simpler when you are trying to get something done... call an expert.
Retort: If there are any. Once again, an expert by whose criteria? Knowledge picked up from where? I am THE top person in my field in the entire state, no one more certified, period. I hold six different licenses, all top grade. Am I an expert? Nope. Am I regarded as an expert by others, yes, but why? I certainly don't know everything, not even close. Can I talk circles around others, yes, but I certainly have not experienced everything or "done it all", it's impossible. In my mind calling one's self an "expert" is childish. "Knowledgeable" is more like it.
Statement: Experts are smart enough to learn something new every day, and keep expanding their data base.
Retort: So why are they an expert? I thought experts knew everything.
"I agree with the stupid people that think they are smart part.
It seems the less they know, the more sure they are of themselves." From your post, I thought you were the expert.
In defense of Alec, he never called himself an "expert". If I am wrong, please post the quote and I'll post an apology. I know very few of you on this BBS, some I have personally met and wheeled with, most I have not. Understandable as we're spread across the country (and world), BOWLS of chili apart. So the only way I know everyone is through their posts, and I infer, through those posts, what their demeanor is. When I read a thread like this, I formulate certain hypothesis about each person, some positive, some negative. Unfortunately this is like a first impression on a sliding average, kinda hard to change. But you don't care, I know this already.
So here are my recommendations: Yep, I know no one appointed me Governor of the BBS, and you can just ignore my suggestions and go about your merry way. Doesn't bother me in the least, I won't lose sleep over it.
1) Lighten up. I can ask questions no one can answer, just like anyone else. Take the attitudes and check them at the door.
2) Stop proclaiming yourself "God O'the Dungheap" and professing to know all. "Where did you take your metallurgy classes? Your basic and advanced chemistry classes? Your machine and manufacturing training? How about your tool & die apprenticeship? Your auto-diesel technology training? Your basic apprenticeship? Your basic management training? Your business school? How many years have you been in business for yourself? How may companies do you own, or have you owned?)"
3) Work with others rather than browbeating them. You hammered on Alec pretty hard, the 22 quotes above are proof enough. We all have fun and games until it gets out of hand, and this is out of hand.
JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights
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Ok, FINALLY, JEEPN has stepped in to make sense of this post. I can totally agree with what he said. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Sir.
In Defense of Alec, I wish more people did the job as well as he does, as I have dealt with Alec personally. I also wheel with him. He Knows his stuff. How about that T150 to T18 swap we did in the parking lot at night a week or two ago?
In response to TeamRush's ignorance, I think you need to spend less time online, and more time in the dictionary. At least use a spellcheck or something. And please tell me who died and made you God. If you are so educated, so perfect, why havent you cured cancer yet? Or is that what you are going to do tomorrow right after you finish typing more ill comments about people you dont even know on the internet.
I really hate computer geeks who are real tough behind the monitor. To make a long story short, keep your negative comments to yourself, and be a little more professional. I dont care what you know, or who you know. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, either. So grow up, realize you dont know everything, and move on.
Sorry, everyone, but i felt something in additon to JEEPN's post needed to be added.
-Mike
P.S.> I may not own a CJ yet, but I'm working on it, and i like to think I know a little something about them...not much, but a little...<wink>
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
Ok, FINALLY, JEEPN has stepped in to make sense of this post. I can totally agree with what he said. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Sir.
In Defense of Alec, I wish more people did the job as well as he does, as I have dealt with Alec personally. I also wheel with him. He Knows his stuff. How about that T150 to T18 swap we did in the parking lot at night a week or two ago?
In response to TeamRush's ignorance, I think you need to spend less time online, and more time in the dictionary. At least use a spellcheck or something. And please tell me who died and made you God. If you are so educated, so perfect, why havent you cured cancer yet? Or is that what you are going to do tomorrow right after you finish typing more ill comments about people you dont even know on the internet.
I really hate computer geeks who are real tough behind the monitor. To make a long story short, keep your negative comments to yourself, and be a little more professional. I dont care what you know, or who you know. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, either. So grow up, realize you dont know everything, and move on.
Sorry, everyone, but i felt something in additon to JEEPN's post needed to be added.
-Mike
P.S.> I may not own a CJ yet, but I'm working on it, and i like to think I know a little something about them...not much, but a little...<wink>
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
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Alec don't take too much offense at tis if you know what your doing!/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
I've been laughing /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif my a** of at this post.
I run a counter myself (look at my profile)
I get as many women as men if not more that know about there vehichles.
At least they will ask question.(not it's right gimme the gawd dern part)
I love the looks I get "do you have a headlight for a 88 escort?".....well do you have a round or square gascap door?/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif (it's the way to tell a midyear body change that you can't even see on the car....IE the parts don't interchange).
Or do you have a top rad hose (we don't sell these) for a 85 delta 88.......reply........2 or 4 door.
IE sb chevy or 307 olds......but I love the blank stares.
I am as polite as can be (yes I'm an a**hole) but do you know as much about your car as I do?
Alec all I'm saying is help the people you can and tolerate(/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gifhave fun) with the rest!
If you sell discount parts don't you hate the 1st of the month rush/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif?
Thanks Klinton!~/wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif
Wider is better but taller is cooler!
Alec don't take too much offense at tis if you know what your doing!/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
I've been laughing /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif my a** of at this post.
I run a counter myself (look at my profile)
I get as many women as men if not more that know about there vehichles.
At least they will ask question.(not it's right gimme the gawd dern part)
I love the looks I get "do you have a headlight for a 88 escort?".....well do you have a round or square gascap door?/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif (it's the way to tell a midyear body change that you can't even see on the car....IE the parts don't interchange).
Or do you have a top rad hose (we don't sell these) for a 85 delta 88.......reply........2 or 4 door.
IE sb chevy or 307 olds......but I love the blank stares.
I am as polite as can be (yes I'm an a**hole) but do you know as much about your car as I do?
Alec all I'm saying is help the people you can and tolerate(/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gifhave fun) with the rest!
If you sell discount parts don't you hate the 1st of the month rush/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif?
Thanks Klinton!~/wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif
Wider is better but taller is cooler!
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I concur sirs!
More guys like Alec at AutoZone, and I wouldnt have have to look up everythig I need at AutoZone by myself!!
every few days I go in there and its a whole new bunch of KIDS, like 18 ad under...sometimes they are helpful/nice, other times they are cocky little worms with a lowered civic, and infinite knowledge of EVERYTHING..
Ive made so many bets across that autozone counter about " Ill bet you the JEEP it isnt a FORD 360" those guys gringe when I walk in now..
OzarkJeep
NW Arkansas
I concur sirs!
More guys like Alec at AutoZone, and I wouldnt have have to look up everythig I need at AutoZone by myself!!
every few days I go in there and its a whole new bunch of KIDS, like 18 ad under...sometimes they are helpful/nice, other times they are cocky little worms with a lowered civic, and infinite knowledge of EVERYTHING..
Ive made so many bets across that autozone counter about " Ill bet you the JEEP it isnt a FORD 360" those guys gringe when I walk in now..
OzarkJeep
NW Arkansas
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There's an interesting note....hey OZARKJEEP....you think TeamRush owns and drives a lowered civic? Now there's food for thought....hehehe...
-mike
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
There's an interesting note....hey OZARKJEEP....you think TeamRush owns and drives a lowered civic? Now there's food for thought....hehehe...
-mike
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
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You see Dr. Teemwrush...I maybe young, but not as nieve as you may think. In another 27 credit hours I will graduate from the finest
Avaition College in the world! So, you should probably retract your statement about grades of aviation fuel because you're rambling
off at the mouth again.
You don't deserve any well typed, thought out response, as you are not worth my time.
I would like to thank everyone who gave a response in my defense.
Alec
You see Dr. Teemwrush...I maybe young, but not as nieve as you may think. In another 27 credit hours I will graduate from the finest
Avaition College in the world! So, you should probably retract your statement about grades of aviation fuel because you're rambling
off at the mouth again.
You don't deserve any well typed, thought out response, as you are not worth my time.
I would like to thank everyone who gave a response in my defense.
Alec
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This is getting a bit rediculous guys...come on. We are all on this forum to help each other out and share info with each other about our common interest...Jeeps. I've had posts answered by both the experienced and inexperienced Jeeper and they were all valuable. They may not know how many milliseconds a fuel injecter should remain open, but they had info that at least got me thinking about my questions. I'm no Jeep expert, but I may post a suggestion or idea occasionally..and it might be wrong.
I've had good and bad experience with discount parts counter guys & girls, but think of why they are DISCOUNT parts places...they hire CHEAP high school labor. The real experienced guys don't want to make $5/hour when they can make more elsewhere.
The bottom line is that I value information in posts by TeamRush, Alec, and all others. We're here to gather information, not debate who knows what and how old everyone is...although I'm a firm believer that with age comes wisdom...i'm only 25, a college graduate, but I don't know a fraction of what a 50 year old hard working, non college educated man does.
I'm here to learn...lets get back to Jeepn
Dan 84 CJ-7,Weber,HEI. 95 ZJ,V8. http://netnow.micron.net/~wdohrn/
This is getting a bit rediculous guys...come on. We are all on this forum to help each other out and share info with each other about our common interest...Jeeps. I've had posts answered by both the experienced and inexperienced Jeeper and they were all valuable. They may not know how many milliseconds a fuel injecter should remain open, but they had info that at least got me thinking about my questions. I'm no Jeep expert, but I may post a suggestion or idea occasionally..and it might be wrong.
I've had good and bad experience with discount parts counter guys & girls, but think of why they are DISCOUNT parts places...they hire CHEAP high school labor. The real experienced guys don't want to make $5/hour when they can make more elsewhere.
The bottom line is that I value information in posts by TeamRush, Alec, and all others. We're here to gather information, not debate who knows what and how old everyone is...although I'm a firm believer that with age comes wisdom...i'm only 25, a college graduate, but I don't know a fraction of what a 50 year old hard working, non college educated man does.
I'm here to learn...lets get back to Jeepn
Dan 84 CJ-7,Weber,HEI. 95 ZJ,V8. http://netnow.micron.net/~wdohrn/
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Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
Hey Teamrush,
There is no need to attack people. You are belligerent and your last post could easily
be taken as a threat against Alec. You don't need to prove anything here so drop the subject
Gibby
Hey Teamrush,
There is no need to attack people. You are belligerent and your last post could easily
be taken as a threat against Alec. You don't need to prove anything here so drop the subject
Gibby
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Teamrush, you seem a little upset. Is that because Alec has something you dont--Friends?
-Mike
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
Teamrush, you seem a little upset. Is that because Alec has something you dont--Friends?
-Mike
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Laramie SLT Sport Plus--5.9L 360, auto, 3.92s, antispin, BFG A/Ts.
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
9 years ago I was sitting in St. Paul MN. I'd just got to the Hotel and was settled in for a three-week stay. The phone rings, and it's the wife… The Jeep (85 Waggie) and the washer broke. The Waggie I could take dare of when I got back… but the washer, Oh, the washer…. I'd rebuilt the transmission and basket drive. It should have been good for another 15 years. But it wasn't pumping out the water.
Three weeks go by and I get home and look everything over and find nothing wrong… but the washer still did not drain.
In frustration I went to the parts supplier in town and got some filters for the hot and cold water hose. I told the parts counterman the problem. He said: "Have you looked at the pump." Well, yes, I'd replaced it 6 months prior… it was good. What the heck does he know, he was a kid, couldn't have been over 20 years old. I drove the 20 minutes home to all steamed up at that kid.
Before I returned to St. Paul the next day, I had to get the washer fixed. So I turned it over and double and triple checked everything. Nothing was wrong. It was not long before I finally said to myself: "Aw heck, the kid may be right." I broke down and checked the pump, and was shocked to find the pump was full of lint. It had filled up when one of the kids decided to wash their pillow.
Me, I was humbled a bit, and learned a good lesson that day. It was a long drive back to Enumclaw to the parts store to apoligise to the parts counter "MAN" (He grew a few years in an instant) for my thoughts. He laughed, and enjoyed the story.
Never turn down advice, two heads are better than one. I've learned never to turn down advice given in by anyone in good faith. It's always better to be big than to belittle.
Good Jeepin'
Larry
9 years ago I was sitting in St. Paul MN. I'd just got to the Hotel and was settled in for a three-week stay. The phone rings, and it's the wife… The Jeep (85 Waggie) and the washer broke. The Waggie I could take dare of when I got back… but the washer, Oh, the washer…. I'd rebuilt the transmission and basket drive. It should have been good for another 15 years. But it wasn't pumping out the water.
Three weeks go by and I get home and look everything over and find nothing wrong… but the washer still did not drain.
In frustration I went to the parts supplier in town and got some filters for the hot and cold water hose. I told the parts counterman the problem. He said: "Have you looked at the pump." Well, yes, I'd replaced it 6 months prior… it was good. What the heck does he know, he was a kid, couldn't have been over 20 years old. I drove the 20 minutes home to all steamed up at that kid.
Before I returned to St. Paul the next day, I had to get the washer fixed. So I turned it over and double and triple checked everything. Nothing was wrong. It was not long before I finally said to myself: "Aw heck, the kid may be right." I broke down and checked the pump, and was shocked to find the pump was full of lint. It had filled up when one of the kids decided to wash their pillow.
Me, I was humbled a bit, and learned a good lesson that day. It was a long drive back to Enumclaw to the parts store to apoligise to the parts counter "MAN" (He grew a few years in an instant) for my thoughts. He laughed, and enjoyed the story.
Never turn down advice, two heads are better than one. I've learned never to turn down advice given in by anyone in good faith. It's always better to be big than to belittle.
Good Jeepin'
Larry
Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
I guess I missed some here. Yep, probably are missing the point from this post. Don't know if you'll ever get it.
It's interesting that some people have friends to defend them when they get themselves into trouble. Even more interesting that a so called 'man' needs others to defend him.
Really interesting pathology to that...
I don't know Alec at all, never met the guy. Mike is right, I would appreciate the term "Friend" if he used it in reference to me, I'd be honored. The point is, he never asked anyone to come to his defense, and he certainly isn't in any "trouble", never was. I'd be interested in waxing philosophically with you over the "really interesting pathology" and why you find it interesting. Could be some deep rooted issues you're trying to expound.
It really doesn't matter to me anyway, now that I think about it, I should have taken my grandpa's advise, "When a fool and a wise man argue, onlookers can't tell the difference."
Grandpa was probably a wise man, I think genetic drift caused some problems in subsequent generations. There is also an old addage that when given different advice by multiple people, you should not put too much weight to the advice as it's mainly opinion. If given the same advive by multiple people, you should heed it with all warning. Just thought that might bear some relevance here.
The answers you ALL couldn't come up with were,
Two solenoids, one short, 68 to 76 turns for the low torque starter, and one long, 168 turns, for the factory high torque starter.
All small block 400 heads have 'steam' holes to relieve trapped air at the top of the 'Siamesed' cylinders.
Very common stuff covered by every small block chevy tech book and text book worth it's weight in salt. Also covered by every print interchange book I have ever seen....
It should be required by every parts store for all employees, just like knowing the difference between ford distributors for the different 351 engines, ect, ect...
The reason we "couldn't" come up with the answers is because we "didn't" care about them or "chose" not to look them up. Could I have? Sure, quite easily, just called Alec and had him do it at work, that's his job. Why would I want to spend my time satisfying your self-indulgent cravings? If anyone had looked them up, it would have reinforced your already inflated ego, having control over someone else's life, even for a moment. Of course, this is also what this post is doing, but I am writing this more as a teaching tool than an exercise in self-reinforcing delusions.
As far as being a 'computer geek', do you really think a computer geek would know as much as I do about automotive engineering?
Maybe you should re-read some of the past posts...
Who cares. By the end of this post you all probably think I'm:
1) a teacher
2) English major
3) psychologist
4) therapist
Nope, I work for an engineering firm, best in the business. Went to United States Military Academy at West Point for Civil Engineering/Cartography. Before that I was in the Army for Explosives and Demolitions. Does it matter, not in the least. It doesn't matter who you are, where you went to school, or what you're doing. If you can offer sound advice and answers to questions, you're a god (small "g", but still a god) in my book. Hell, quite often I can't find the air fresheners so I need someone like Alec to help, I'm humble enough to ask because I don't know. Like my granddad said, "It doesn't matter what you do, so long as you give it your best and are the best damm person in your field." Good advice. His other favorite was "Help people in need, no matter where, who, or anything else." Don't belittle people for their jobs or who they are. Can I do what you do, and probably better? Yes. Why? It's the amount of drive and dedication. Do I want to? No. I am doing EXACTLY what I love and enjoy coming to work. Sure, I don't own my own business, a lot of headaches associated with it and I have all the rewards I want: good wife, great friends, steady income, my jeep addiction, and enough humility to make it all worthwhile. I think you're missing the humility part. You probably see the trash guy in the morning and think he has a pathetic existence. Guess what, he sees you and thinks the same thing.
I'm not too hard on anyone. No one is bleeding, and the paramedics haven't been needed.
I'm just a firm believer in accountability. I don't make excuses, for myself, or anyone else.
Yes, a bunch of us thought you were too hard on 'ole Alec, otherwise we wouldn't have posted. I tend to stay out of these threads, but couldn't on this one.
I do hope to run into alex and his 'buddies' at one of the 4 wheeling events some day.
It would be interesting to see if they are as vocal in public, face to face, as they are on the bbs. while they have anonymity...
Come on up to Maine, meet myself and some lobsterman friends, and we'll see if you're as still vocal as well. Don't you see how that sounds? Gibby is right. It IS a threat. You should have just said, "My daddy's bigger than your daddy." because that's how it sounded to me, childish.
I'm going to be in Daytona for speed week and bike week, maybe I'll run into alex or his friends....
Probably not, I'm sure we dont travel in the same circles.
Thankfully. We try to keep your circles as small as possible to keep the rif-raf down.
I apologize to all others for continuing this thread. Usually I let sleeping dogs lie, but sometimes the first smack on the nose doesn't do the trick.
JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights
I guess I missed some here. Yep, probably are missing the point from this post. Don't know if you'll ever get it.
It's interesting that some people have friends to defend them when they get themselves into trouble. Even more interesting that a so called 'man' needs others to defend him.
Really interesting pathology to that...
I don't know Alec at all, never met the guy. Mike is right, I would appreciate the term "Friend" if he used it in reference to me, I'd be honored. The point is, he never asked anyone to come to his defense, and he certainly isn't in any "trouble", never was. I'd be interested in waxing philosophically with you over the "really interesting pathology" and why you find it interesting. Could be some deep rooted issues you're trying to expound.
It really doesn't matter to me anyway, now that I think about it, I should have taken my grandpa's advise, "When a fool and a wise man argue, onlookers can't tell the difference."
Grandpa was probably a wise man, I think genetic drift caused some problems in subsequent generations. There is also an old addage that when given different advice by multiple people, you should not put too much weight to the advice as it's mainly opinion. If given the same advive by multiple people, you should heed it with all warning. Just thought that might bear some relevance here.
The answers you ALL couldn't come up with were,
Two solenoids, one short, 68 to 76 turns for the low torque starter, and one long, 168 turns, for the factory high torque starter.
All small block 400 heads have 'steam' holes to relieve trapped air at the top of the 'Siamesed' cylinders.
Very common stuff covered by every small block chevy tech book and text book worth it's weight in salt. Also covered by every print interchange book I have ever seen....
It should be required by every parts store for all employees, just like knowing the difference between ford distributors for the different 351 engines, ect, ect...
The reason we "couldn't" come up with the answers is because we "didn't" care about them or "chose" not to look them up. Could I have? Sure, quite easily, just called Alec and had him do it at work, that's his job. Why would I want to spend my time satisfying your self-indulgent cravings? If anyone had looked them up, it would have reinforced your already inflated ego, having control over someone else's life, even for a moment. Of course, this is also what this post is doing, but I am writing this more as a teaching tool than an exercise in self-reinforcing delusions.
As far as being a 'computer geek', do you really think a computer geek would know as much as I do about automotive engineering?
Maybe you should re-read some of the past posts...
Who cares. By the end of this post you all probably think I'm:
1) a teacher
2) English major
3) psychologist
4) therapist
Nope, I work for an engineering firm, best in the business. Went to United States Military Academy at West Point for Civil Engineering/Cartography. Before that I was in the Army for Explosives and Demolitions. Does it matter, not in the least. It doesn't matter who you are, where you went to school, or what you're doing. If you can offer sound advice and answers to questions, you're a god (small "g", but still a god) in my book. Hell, quite often I can't find the air fresheners so I need someone like Alec to help, I'm humble enough to ask because I don't know. Like my granddad said, "It doesn't matter what you do, so long as you give it your best and are the best damm person in your field." Good advice. His other favorite was "Help people in need, no matter where, who, or anything else." Don't belittle people for their jobs or who they are. Can I do what you do, and probably better? Yes. Why? It's the amount of drive and dedication. Do I want to? No. I am doing EXACTLY what I love and enjoy coming to work. Sure, I don't own my own business, a lot of headaches associated with it and I have all the rewards I want: good wife, great friends, steady income, my jeep addiction, and enough humility to make it all worthwhile. I think you're missing the humility part. You probably see the trash guy in the morning and think he has a pathetic existence. Guess what, he sees you and thinks the same thing.
I'm not too hard on anyone. No one is bleeding, and the paramedics haven't been needed.
I'm just a firm believer in accountability. I don't make excuses, for myself, or anyone else.
Yes, a bunch of us thought you were too hard on 'ole Alec, otherwise we wouldn't have posted. I tend to stay out of these threads, but couldn't on this one.
I do hope to run into alex and his 'buddies' at one of the 4 wheeling events some day.
It would be interesting to see if they are as vocal in public, face to face, as they are on the bbs. while they have anonymity...
Come on up to Maine, meet myself and some lobsterman friends, and we'll see if you're as still vocal as well. Don't you see how that sounds? Gibby is right. It IS a threat. You should have just said, "My daddy's bigger than your daddy." because that's how it sounded to me, childish.
I'm going to be in Daytona for speed week and bike week, maybe I'll run into alex or his friends....
Probably not, I'm sure we dont travel in the same circles.
Thankfully. We try to keep your circles as small as possible to keep the rif-raf down.
I apologize to all others for continuing this thread. Usually I let sleeping dogs lie, but sometimes the first smack on the nose doesn't do the trick.
JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights
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Re: Beginer Engine Mistakes
You probably see the trash guy
in the morning and think he has a pathetic existence. Guess what, he sees you and thinks the same thing.
Hey Jeepn,i resemble that remark! LOL I slung trash for a couple years,and ya know what,i think it was the most fun job i ever had.Where else can you
have food fights for free? most of all i am happy,loving wife as well,great kids,my own home.I agree with you totally,never belittle anyones job,try their job
instead..
You probably see the trash guy
in the morning and think he has a pathetic existence. Guess what, he sees you and thinks the same thing.
Hey Jeepn,i resemble that remark! LOL I slung trash for a couple years,and ya know what,i think it was the most fun job i ever had.Where else can you
have food fights for free? most of all i am happy,loving wife as well,great kids,my own home.I agree with you totally,never belittle anyones job,try their job
instead..
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Alec and Mike are good friends of mine, unfortunately my computer was acting up too much to make too many posts in Alec's defence... Sorry I wasn't at your back Alec.
Arron : C'mon down, I'm sure we'd all like to sit around the jeeps and tell some good stories. I've read too many of your posts to believe that you're going to be this shallow and condencending. To paraphrase yourself, Grow up. We don't want a war, or a battle.
Discount parts stores are setup by managment to be for the everyday driver, to provide stock parts and accessories to the general public. They can specal order and delve into the performance and extreme aftermarket, but for our purposes, parts stores like Four Wheel Parts Performance centers are the place to get a detroit locker, not AutoZone, Nova discout parts, etc...
I hope this can all be put behind us, so that we don't scare away any unsuspecting newcomers... /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
Florida Mud CJ-5
'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
Alec and Mike are good friends of mine, unfortunately my computer was acting up too much to make too many posts in Alec's defence... Sorry I wasn't at your back Alec.
Arron : C'mon down, I'm sure we'd all like to sit around the jeeps and tell some good stories. I've read too many of your posts to believe that you're going to be this shallow and condencending. To paraphrase yourself, Grow up. We don't want a war, or a battle.
Discount parts stores are setup by managment to be for the everyday driver, to provide stock parts and accessories to the general public. They can specal order and delve into the performance and extreme aftermarket, but for our purposes, parts stores like Four Wheel Parts Performance centers are the place to get a detroit locker, not AutoZone, Nova discout parts, etc...
I hope this can all be put behind us, so that we don't scare away any unsuspecting newcomers... /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
Florida Mud CJ-5
'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
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I'm gonna have to throw in my .02 cents here, though it may already have been said. when I first got my jeep it wasn't becuase I chose it, it chose me (it was free in the backyard "if you can start it, its yours kid" type deal) and I really didn't intend to have it for very long. I was planning on ditching it for something "cooler" like a motorcylce or a street car. THEN, I started to realize what people who drove jeeps were usually like. I say "usually" becuase I'm seeing some evidence to the contrary on this string. My point is this; We're all just a bunch of idiot gearheads who spend way too much money on vehicles that are cold in the winter, hot in the summer and ride like lumberwagons. Its a jeep thing. It if weren't for the type of community and friendliness I encountered while easing into the jeep obsession (I'll never own anythign else) I probably would have ditched my POS for something that would have picked up chicks better. Alec seems to know his stuff, as does the fellow berating him. Personally I think you both know a dumptruck load more than I do, and I'd respect both of your opinions. Let's just chill out, and take a look at the big picture. We're all the same becuase we're all nuts.
MudFlap 87 YJ POS!!
I'm gonna have to throw in my .02 cents here, though it may already have been said. when I first got my jeep it wasn't becuase I chose it, it chose me (it was free in the backyard "if you can start it, its yours kid" type deal) and I really didn't intend to have it for very long. I was planning on ditching it for something "cooler" like a motorcylce or a street car. THEN, I started to realize what people who drove jeeps were usually like. I say "usually" becuase I'm seeing some evidence to the contrary on this string. My point is this; We're all just a bunch of idiot gearheads who spend way too much money on vehicles that are cold in the winter, hot in the summer and ride like lumberwagons. Its a jeep thing.
It if weren't for the type of community and friendliness I encountered while easing into the jeep obsession (I'll never own anythign else) I probably would have ditched my POS for something that would have picked up chicks better. Alec seems to know his stuff, as does the fellow berating him. Personally I think you both know a dumptruck load more than I do, and I'd respect both of your opinions. Let's just chill out, and take a look at the big picture. We're all the same becuase we're all nuts.MudFlap 87 YJ POS!!
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I am new to this group and WAS starting to develope a sense of respect for what TeamRush had to say. Not any more. Somebody that has nothing better to do than show how smart they are, must have a pretty miserable existence. What happened TR? Have a bad **** experience when you were growing up so you have to show how much of a man you are by belittling others? I read your profile. I see that you grew up as a hillbilly kid. I guess what they say is right, you can take the boy out of the woods but you cant take the woods out of the boy. Typical backwoods kind of attitude, having to prove who has the biggest d*ck.
Personnaly I would much rather take information from someone that knows what he is talking about and has practical experience than from someone that has none. So your book smart. Big deal. I can read a book and spout of useless stuff too. Keep your unit in your pants and move on.
Cut to shape, hammer to fit, paint to match /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif
Project '51 willy's total rebuild /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif
I am new to this group and WAS starting to develope a sense of respect for what TeamRush had to say. Not any more. Somebody that has nothing better to do than show how smart they are, must have a pretty miserable existence. What happened TR? Have a bad **** experience when you were growing up so you have to show how much of a man you are by belittling others? I read your profile. I see that you grew up as a hillbilly kid. I guess what they say is right, you can take the boy out of the woods but you cant take the woods out of the boy. Typical backwoods kind of attitude, having to prove who has the biggest d*ck.
Personnaly I would much rather take information from someone that knows what he is talking about and has practical experience than from someone that has none. So your book smart. Big deal. I can read a book and spout of useless stuff too. Keep your unit in your pants and move on.
Cut to shape, hammer to fit, paint to match /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif
Project '51 willy's total rebuild /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif
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