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OT -- Sour\'s bash from ...

On my way to the Bash this year, I was about 50 miles away from Steam Corner, I pulled into a rest stop about 5pm. After using the facilities and stretching, I walked around the trailer as I always do. All the straps were tight and the wheels on the driver's side looked ok. Then I walked around to the passenger side. I noticed that the rear tire was tilted, the hub was discolored, smoke was coming off of the hub, and the wheel was very dirty. Right away, I knew that my trailer was not pulling the Jeep anymore.

Thanks to the call list provided by Dale, I called Jeff to let him know what had happened and to ask for help. Jeff offered to pick up anything that I needed. However, we decided that we would just drive the empty trailer back to the camp. Since Heather had not driven the Suburban with the trailer, I really wanted someone with experience to drive it the remaining 50 miles. Jeff and Joel headed out as I went to work on the trailer.

I pulled the Hi-Lift off of the Jeep and proceeded to jack up the trailer. In hindsight, I probably should have taken the Jeep off, but it was still up there. I had a jackstand that I put under the bad axle. I had to look for the right tool to use on the spindle nut. I finally found my 1 3/4" socket, the same one that I use for the trailer hitch and pulled out the impact wrench. I was unable to move the nut at all. At that point, I just removed the tire and strapped the axle up with one of my tie downs.

Jeff and Joel showed up. After looking at the axle, we all had about the same conclusion - toast. We headed back to the camp with Joel driving the Suburban, Jeff in his Jeep, and me following in the CJ. The was the furthest, and fasted, that I had driven the CJ in a very long time. I looked down and saw the speedometer reading 75 to 80 at one point - that was weird. We were probably only doing 65 or so, my speedometer reads fast.

When we got back to the camp, everyone offered to help. Jim from NJ, Pontiac58 I think, set to work on the axle real quick. He pulled out his electric Snap-On impact and had the castle nut off real quick. He then tried to remove the old bearing races with the grinder. One of them came off, but the inner did not want to budge. After assessing the situation again, we decided that the spindle was pretty much shot. It might have been possible to coble something back together, but I would not have trusted it for 270 miles with the Jeep.

Friday morning, Heather and I set off in search of an axle. We drove around about 130 miles looking for every farm supply,trailer, or RV store that we could find between Attica and Lafayette. No one had the axle I needed, but they could all order it to arrive on Wednesday. The tractor supply store was the most promising and disappointing. They carry axles in stock. Unfortunately, their longest axle was 84, wms inches not 95 wms, as needed.

Heather and I decided that our best option would be to take the broken trailer back to Columbus then rent a Uhaul to retrieve the Jeep. We went drove back to attica to retrieve our stuff from the Apple-Inn then headed out for the 270 mile drive home. We made it back about 7pm, just over 4 hours.

We picked up the Uhaul at 730 Saturday morning then drove back to Attica. We got there about 1200 and loaded up the Jeep. We were back on the road a little after 1pm and made it back to Columbus around 6pm. I had the trailer returned and everything unloaded by 730pm.

I learned a few things on this trip...
  • First and foremost - All of the guys at the bash were helpful and concerned. Jeff, Joel, and Jim went the extra mile to try to get me fixed. Jim even offered his spare parts, if we could get them to work. Austin,the Hi-Lift guy offered the use of his weldors, if needed. Others offered to do any work needed to make it happen. It just was not in the cards that weekend...
  • The Apple-Inn in Attica is a very nice bed and breakfast at a reasonable price, I would stay there again. They would not let us pay for Friday night, even though we made the reservations then canceled late in the afternoon on Friday. Their breakfast was incredible - Grapefruit,cold cereal, Scrambled eggs and Canadian Bacon, then a Belgium Waffle.
  • MAINTAIN YOUR TRAILER. I had not touched my trailer since purchasing it. It is 3 years old with, maybe, 5000 miles on it.
  • No-one carries parts for an auto transporter on their shelfs.
  • My suburban got 14 mile/gallon towing an empty ~2000 lb trailer at 65 mph
  • My suburban got 11 mile/gallon towing the same trailer with the Jeep at 65 mph
  • Attica does not like me, and gets costlier every year I go... First year, I ran over a truck tire at 2am just East of Indy on my return home. No damage, but it did wake me up. Second year, I put a hole in a trailer tire just West of Indy heading to the bash. I was able to plug it to get me home, but then had it patched ~$20. Third year, bent a rear leaf spring on the CJ7 on Saturday, ~$175 for a new spring shipped from RE. This year..., three days of driving and did not even get to see the badlands. Hopefully, the cycle is broken...
Anyone have recommendations or axles? I found this place in Elkhart, IN from whom I will probably order.

http://www.axisproducts.com/index.html

I also found Champion, but they appear to specialize in boat trailer parts. They have the axle but they are galvanized and significantly more expensive.

Northern Tool has them as does Etrailerpart.com

Are the EZ-lube axles worth the extra couple of dollars? Supposedly, they let you grease the inner and outer bearings without removing the hub. However, they still recommend removing the hub every 12 months/12000 miles and repacking by hand.

Again, thanks to everyone who helped me on Thursday. The help sure helped my piece of mind. By the way, I think that I am going to buy a loaded spare axle, they are only ~$150. I would like to find away to mount this to the trailer so that it is there should something like this happen again. I can only imagine that Heather and I will venture further and further from home. If something like this happened 500 miles from home, it could have had a drastically different ending...

-- Mike
 
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That really sucks, Mike.
Kinda makes being wet and cold not sound all that bad.
At best I guess we can be glad that at least it wasn't a problem that put you two in danger. Well, except for the possibility of a homicidal rampage, which would have been understandable under the circumstances.

Now you have to get your butts down here for a Haspin run again. We still have that spare bedroom for ya.

Oh, PM me your address. I have your shirts and dash plaque here for you.
 
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All i needed was a torch and i would have had you towing it home. It still would have needed a axle, and maybe eaten the tire, but it would have gotten you home. I had to do the same thing to a friends car once. Burned up the spindle and was 5 hours away from home. He drove it another year with out any problems before he finally fixed it right.

i add fresh grease to my bearings every year. I dont like bearing buddys or the other ones cause they force the grease in and it pushes out the extra out the seal. Makes a mess and now you cant tell if you have a bad seal or not.

I just pull my hubs, squeze in some grease threw the seal on the inner and reback the outer. Jam in some grease inbetween the bearings and its good to go.

I also only run sythenic grease. That stuff can take abuse and keep working. It also doesnt hurt to pull the hubs every year to check the brakes. When i pulled mine this year, i didnt have much left to them. They wouldnt have made the trip to the bash. '

Like you said axles are cheap, a spare is a darn good idea, you could mount is right in front of the trailer deck or even under the trailer. Just get spare u-bolts also. They are know to brake.

One more thing i noticed. Your trailer doesnt have back brakes. While you are changing the axle, it couldnt hurt to update the trailer to 4 brakes. Mine only has two and a friends has 4. Its does make a difference.
 
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Let X= the number of times that I have pulled an axle out from under somebody's trailer and welded on a new spindle. We had a machine shop on the west side of California's Central Valley and were not far from I-5. We got calls from all kinds of folks who were in burntspindleville and were totally screwed......at least until they called the tow truck guys who then gave them the number of our shop. On several occasions I even took my service truck and welded a spindle on the trailer right in place with 18-wheelers zooming by at seventy. Sadly, one of the least maintained of all vehicles is the trailer that takes folks on vacation across three states, and on which their happiness totally depends. Because we knew that vacations were often at stake, and it was extremely stressful for the folks who were broke down, my shop guys and I were always careful to make "light" of the problem so that the folks could begin to relax and get away from the: "I'm SO screwed" frame of mind......"Here, have a coke while I weld this up."....acting like it was nothing at all so THEY would feel as though it wasn't so bad. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif We stocked several different spindle/hub sets as well as every bearing that Timken ever made.....plus a good supply of u-bolts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif A spare axle might be an unnecessary extravagance; just refresh the bearings on the ones that you have and you'll be fine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif HINT: I have seen guys move the front axle to the rear and bring the trailer in that way just fine, with the injured rear axle laying on the deck. The springs are very often the same front-to-rear.
All it really does is add a little tongue weight, no big deal. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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CJ Dave and LEVE hitting the head right on the nail again! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Harbor freight is carrying several types of trailer spindles now (mostly light & medium duty), and most farm supply stores carry heavy trailer spindles.
 
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That really sucks Sour. I missed seeing you and wheeling with you too. Hey, I saw your PM and checked my snatch block, it is mine. Did someone else get yours by mistake?? Well good luck man and get your butt down to Haspin some time soon!!
Aaron.
 
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Yep, it really sucked getting that close to the Badlands and not even seeing it. At least I did not have to clean the Jeep and I did not have to play outside in the rain all weekend long. It turns out that I ended up with someone else's snatch block after Haspin. I ended up with a Warn Block for 5/16 cable. Mine was a OK Offroad block for 3/8" cable. I may have written rope only, or something like that on the block. No big deal.

To address JYD, I just did not do any maintenance on the wheels bearings in 3 years. I know better, but was just lazy. It bit me in the ...

I got quotes back for new axles today. I plan to pick up one with brakes -- $200 and one without brakes -- $100. This will give me two brake axles on the trailer and one spare. I will find a place to mount it so that this does not happen to me again.

I realize that there are other options, but since I don't weld, this seams like a pretty cheap and reasonable solution to me.

-- Mike
 
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Sourpwr - just get into the habit of walking around your trailer when you are using it when you make stops. You will feel the hubs getting warmer then they should be and usually before they go on you. Everytime i pull my boat and stop for gas i do the walk around.
 
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif That's one reason why I never have hub caps on a trailer; it makes it easy then to do the "hub walkaround" comparing the temperature of one hub to the other. We used to have a little tent trailer with 4.80 X 8 tires on it. Not only did I have to check those high speed hubs frequently, but I had to carefully maintain the tire pressures. ANY FLEXURE from low inflation was fatal. And....I always put new tires on the trailer before the vacation, it wasn't that expensive and new tires cool better. I tried to check my hubs about every hundred miles or so. Last year I was pulling a set of grain wagons which I had JUST EMPTIED; having dumped 58,000 pounds of corn out of the set; and was hustling back to the cornfield. I swung into a BP station/mini mart to pick up a pizza for our field supper and saw that the RF wheel of the lead wagon had lost it's hub cap. To my horror, the bearings were totally gone, nothing left in the hub but the races. I broke up the set and left the cripple at the station, returning the next morning with a ton of tools prepared for total atomic war, but to my astonishment there was only a small scratch on the spindle between the races where it didn't matter. Two bearings, a seal and a new cap and we were going by mid morning. Now it SAYS to pack the wheel bearings on those big wagons every year, but well, you know how it goes. That was a darn good lesson, and we'll never make that mistake again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I'm building a fixture to handle those big "super singles" so we can go through and service the spindles on all the wagons before harvest. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Dave,

It's good to hear from you on the board from time to time. I'm shocked to hear that you neglected grain wagon maintenance, though! In the past 15 years, we've gone from using 14 gravity wagons as the primary grain transport from field to farm (backed up by 2 aging Chevy dumps with a single screw and a spring cheater tag), to 12 gravity wagons backed up by a single twin screw straight truck, to 10 gravity wagons, a grain cart and that same straight truck, to our present setup, a semi with 2 trailers, the grain cart, and 2 wagons. THe wagons are more or less overage; they sit around unused until an emergency strikes and they're pressed into service. It's incredible the efficiencies you can gain by moving away from wagons! But we STILL check those bearings every year! (And after losing a tire on an auger we were transporting last year, we've started checking those too!)

How's the shop buildup going?
 
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Hello, FARMJEEP... We were just over by your home 20 in April, having gone to Glendale Heights to pick up a used TJ for Jeepchick. We just yesterday got the last of the soybeans planted. I help my neighbor farm his 1000 acres and it at least partially fulfills the mental need I have to participate in production agriculture. My greatest love is harvesting, and this year was the first time I went all the way through from day one to the end. From 9/12 to 10/28 nonstop.....except for rain. My neighbor has two sets of Parker wagons. One set is 525 bushels each and one set of 480 each.....no grain cart. 2005 was the first year he farmed by himself, having divided up everything with his brother at the end of the '04 season. He did so predicated upon my being able to swing in and help plant and harvest. So that solved a problem for him as to how to farm 1000 acres by himself instead of 2200 with he and his brother. Dean is a meticulous maintainer, and how he missed that wagon bearing service is totally incomprehensible. He would have to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that the world was ending on Friday before he skipped a 10-hour combine lube interval on Thursday; that's how he normally is. Needless to say we'll have those wheels off the wagons before we start harvesting in the fall. A grain cart and a semi IS kind of a good setup, but you just have to ask yourself how much machinery is justifiable on just 1000 acres? As long as I can haul out and not keep that combine waiting, that's probably about all we need to do. For just two people to harvest 1000 acres and finish by the end of October is making decent time. We were only broke down for about a half-day with our worst combine clamity, and it began raining later that day so we only lost a few field hours in reality. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif