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www.auctionarms.com

its like ebay for guns.

back when ebay just came out they used to allow firearms...but then stopped...this was back about 9-10 years ago when i was in high school

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'Nuther one: www.gunbroker.com

 

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Now San Queersisco has passed another one.
Because of one (1) case where someone was attacked -Pitbulls have to be sterilized.

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ok, the liberals and whiney asses that complain about tearing up our lands and the environment of the Blue spotted Red tailed Gecko, and other endangered animals are also the ones behind sterilizing the Pit Bulls. You sterilize all the Pit Bulls and you soon have yet another Endangered animal... and who's fault will it be?

 

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..You sterilize all the Pit Bulls and you soon have yet another Endangered animal... and who's fault will it be?

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Just as a point of logic...

The Pit Bull is not a natural breed. It's cross breed. Therefore, even if they're wiped out they can be brought back into existence by again breeding the cross. So they would not be an endangered species at any time.

 

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Some of us are Close to "The City" and for all it's faults it still is a great place, ahem. Much better than water-sucking southern smogsville IMHO.

Who cares about Pits? The stupid owners put it on theirselves by not trying to police thier own, and just complaining that they get a bad rap. Right they do! #1 fighting dog for lowlifes. And who thinks a Pit belongs in a city anyway? My daughter has a Pit mix, great dog, very loveable, but there is always that edge.

I doubt in the future you will see trails closed or land left undeveloped becouse of the endangered Pits. Bruce Dern should have had a few Pits on Valley Forge /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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There are three "great" American cities I have never seen, but want to: #1. San Francisco #2. New Orleans #3. New York City. I know each has its problems and idiosyncracies, but each is a great city for its history, culture, etc. I hope some day to visit each and see areas like Fisherman's Wharf, the French Quarter, Central Park, etc.

 

Pits are not a natural breed as leve said, and they are also counter-evolutionary.

99.9% of all other animals, even bears weighing in at over 5 times your weight will not attack you unless they feel very endangered..

If you watch other dogs fight, they just size one another up for several minuites. most of the time they don't even bite/draw blood. It's a lot of yapping to try and intimidate the other animal.

Almost all wild and domestic animals do this. Their instinct tells them that if they end up actually getting in a serious fight they will probably die. Not from the fight, but from relatively small injuries afterwards..

Evolution has bred them into being this way. Any animal that attacks straight up without doing the big dance before hand to find ANY other way out of the confrontation is one that wouldn't live very long in the wild.

Pitbull owners should have realised they were in danger LONG ago, and regulated the sale/breeding amoungst themselfs. All other breeders do. They don't let their females get knocked up by any old dog, and they don't let their males out to stud to any old breeder with a bad reputation. This keeps them in buisness and regulates the population/cost of the dogs keeping the buisness viable.

 

Obviously the point was missed by a mile!!!

ONE child attacked by a pit - they want to cut ALL pits.

But - every day lots of people are injured and killed by gangs and criminals. But THEY don't get cut - Politicians, gays, liberals and nutcases think that's perfectly OK!

Last time I was in the bay area it was nearly possible to walk across the bay on the sewage and toilet paper floating. But it was hard to see it through all the fog. That's OK?

I'll take smog any day. But SF has just as much smog as So Calif, check the records by the ARB.

Sure glad I no longer live there.

 

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yep

 

That is the one case that has been cited.

If I were a betting man, I would say that its happened before. Heck, I'm not a betting man, and I will say it's happened before. AND im so sure it has, that if this IS the FIRST case of a Pitbull attacking a child in the City of San Francisco, I'll castrate myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I come from a town of less then 7,000 permenant residents, that's 1/2 of the population of the university im going to, and this is a small university.

There are probably only a 1/2 dozen to 2dozen pitbulls in the town, and I know of atleast 3 in the last year that have been put down. One for mauling a dog at the beach. One for biting a child I taught swimming lessons too. and the third belonged to my co-worker and bit her one afternoon taking away a large chunk of her leg muscle.

 

Man this really sucks since I am about to move out there! I won't be living in SF proper but close enough. Like someone mentioned, maybe I'll be able to pick up some cheap weapons.

 

When was the last time a pitbull broke into someone's house and raped their wife?
When was the last time a pitbull stole a car?
When was the last time a pitbull robbed a convenience store?
When was the last time a pitbull kidnapped someone?
How much dope does a pitbull sell in a week?
How many murders have been committed by pitbulls compared to criminals?

Point is - the liberals go after dogs, but turn criminals loose. Sure makes sense, doesn't it?


Why not the same punishment?

 

Playing russian roulette doesn't kill as many people as heart dissease every year, but that still doesn't mean im going to do it.

You have to weigh the risks against the rewards. The cost of having a few thousand pitbulls nutered is cheap compared to the cost of having a little girl mauled to death...

Not saying they shouldn't be doing more to catch/punish crimnals, but if a simple peice of legislation can save some lives/maulings... then why not?

 

Hey Rich, get a wireless laptop so you can do a few quick seaches from that soapbox.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/21/BAG6V2FFDS1.DTL&type=printable

http://www.ktvu.com/news/4473859/detail.html

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=3329237

http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2001/pit_bull_attacks_dog.html

http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2001/pit_bull_san_francisco.html

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/05/30/news/20050530_ne11_pits.txt

 

i thought this was about guns?

neutering pitbulls wont solve anything unless you outlaw the breed people will still have em. people will still buy em from out of city breeders. a neutered pitbull can still maul a kid.....

i would love to see a percentage of dogs who maul vs percentage owned. i wouldnt be surprised if it was higher than other breeds....but unless its like 70%....i couldnt justify that kinda law


heres a revolutionary concept....HOLD THE OWNER ACCOUNTABLE! dang libs have no concept of accountability.....after a $15,000 or prison time, im sure people will think twice

 

I 'get' your point RRich, but I would like to add...

There was a little old lady (80's I think) taking her lil' phoo-phoo dog for a walk down a country lane here a while back. 2-3 pits broke off their chains and escaped their kennel to attack and kill both the lady & her dog. Local prosecutor charged owner w/ manslaughter... and got a conviction. Yee-haw... Chalk one up for the good guys!

Problem - as I see it - are the federal appeals courts (in effect unaccountable by virtue of their lifetime appointments) and our sorry-@$$ legislatures (basically 'owned' by the minority special interest groups' ability to fund/ensure their re-election campaigns).

Between the pitbull manslaughter charging/conviction and VA's 1-term limit for the governor, this place is starting to look up a bit... but not enough that I'm stayin' around...

 

Good grief!

I'm not disagreeing that pitbulls can be a problem!
Laws restricting/restraining them are sorely needed! They do occasionally go nuts. You can find articles if you search hard enough.

But -- My point was they take away handguns so the general populace is defenseless, making it much easier for the criminals to operate.
But they focus attention on dogs, a minor problem compared to the crime rate.
They play the "catch and release" game with criminals, but castrate dogs.

Isn't that getting priorities mixed up?


How many robberies occured last night?
How many women were forceably raped last night?
How many murders?
How many vehicles were stolen LAST NIGHT?

Now, how many pitbull attacks LAST NIGHT?

Why aren't criminals castrated too - at the neck?

Doctors kill far more people every day by misdiagnosis than pitbulls -- but that's perfectly OK?

The point is the liberal lawmakers obviously LIKE crime, they thrive on the legal fees and bribes by the lawbreakers.

They manage to focus the population's attention on dogs, who don't make money for them. It just shows how stupid people are getting sidetracked from what's really important.
It's not just in SF either!

Oh well, they get what they deserve!

 

Ok, Rich you are right. Kill the criminals, arm the pitbulls!
Guns don't kill people, pitbulls with guns kill people!
Sheesh!

 

That doggy has his collar on inside out.

I figured I'd add something that has no value to the topic at hand whatsoever.