This guys a scammer all the way.You can almost predict his next move.Likes to sugar-coat and tickle ears!King of the roadless issues and definitly not a favorite to the off-road BBSers.OT,but This is the same guy who is for partial-birth abortion,which is lawful but throwing your baby in a dumpster 5min after its born is murder!Whats wrong with this guy?????Anyway,Im ranting sorry guys/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

Criminals prefer unarmed victims!Al Gore wants your firearms!Defend 2nd Ammendment

 

Remember, Gore is the guy that wants to outlaw the internal combustion engine - this is certainly a vote-getting gambit. Gore figure on being everyone's hero when he gets Clinton to release the oil from the strategic reserves. He just hopes that no one realizes that the Democrats' lack of a coherent energy policy got the country into this mess in the first place.

Bob N
"Think your new truck is better, let's go wheeling and see"

 

Like Mallard Fillmore said recently, "How can you trust a guy with no eyebrows?"

Brad
ORC Land Use Section Editor
http://www.off-road.com/land

 

Ok let me get this straight.
The Democrats have been secrtely controlling the cost of gas, under the ever watching eye of the repulican controlled House and Senate, so that they can have a voting coupe in another couple months. Well someone needs to wake and quit counting their money and maybe get back to work in the house and senate.
Oh and how can you trust a guy who can speak but has no lips(Bush), not that he has said one thing with any substance since he became the republican nominee anyway.

Jeff
89 Wrangler
I take my Jeep "On the Rocks",usually "With a Splash of Addrenalin"

 

THEY BOTH SUCK!!!! (Gore and Bush)

 

I agree, they BOTH suck...but Gore sucks more! Bush hasn't proven to be a huge friend, but he IS less of a foe. At least he's pro-gun. Sorry, had to get that in there.

Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
2000 Durango SLT

I can't go to work today...the voices said "Stay home and clean your guns!"

 

Now, Now, Now Boys! We all know that without AL GORE, there would be no internet and no BBS. Take some time to thank him....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I hate them both! If only i were 35 years old....

mikey

If you cant DODGE it, JEEP it!

 

Let me get this straight, The taxpayers at some time in the past when oil was cheaper bought a bunch for the Strategic reserve in case we had a war or something. Now that oil is getting expensive we are going to use some of the Strategic Reserve" oil to lower prices. How much will it cost to restore the "Strategic Reserve" at the current higher oil prices and who will pay for it? I'm Guessing that as a taxpayer I've just been screwed for a political ploy that Gore and Clinton assume I'm to stupid to figure out.

Only One Jeep left but its got a 4" Superlift and 33" BFG AT'S
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Releasing the reserve is just a drop in the bucket and won't really effect anything but to the general public it will "look" like the Clinton/Gore regime is doing us all a huge favor. What we need is for them to remove gas taxes or reduce them. Here's a part of an article that talks about this: (Article by: Jon E. Dougherty
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com)

In reply to:

"If the vice president truly wants to provide relief to hard-working
Americans who are suffering from high fuel prices, he should move to reduce
the onerous fuel taxes he voted to increase by 4.3 cents [per gallon] in
1993," NTU said. "The excuse for that tax increase was to eliminate the
deficit [but], oddly enough, here we are seven years later with a projected
budget surplus and the Gore fuel tax is still intact."

The NTU said excessive taxes are "the real culprit" behind the current high
fuel prices. The organization said from 1990 through 1999, the "pre-tax pump
price of gasoline barely changed -- from 88 cents per gallon in 1990 to 86
cents as of last November."

Yet, over the same period, NTU noted, "state and federal gasoline taxes rose
by more than half, from 27 cents per gallon to 43 cents" today.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the fiscal year 2001
"on-budget" surplus -- which does not include the so-called "Social Security
surplus," NTU said -- will total $102 billion. With an estimated $35 billion
in fuel taxes allocated to the Highway Trust Fund in 2001, the group said,
"slashing the 18.4 cents per gallon gas tax and the 24.3 cents per gallon
diesel [fuel] tax by 10 cents or more wouldn't imperil any current programs
and won't consume any funds set aside for Social Security reform."

"Apparently, Al Gore believes reducing the fuel taxes he voted to increase
would be too 'risky,'" the group said.

The watchdog group said a recent study by the Tax Foundation showed excise
taxes are five times more burdensome for lower-income households than they
are for wealthy households.

"Cutting fuel taxes should therefore not be politically controversial," the
NTU said.

Tim
ORC Land Use columnist
My August article on ORC

http://www.off-road.com/land

 

Gore is a politician, which means that he will do or say almost anything to get votes. If he thought that he could get a big voting block by supporting OHV owners by advocating keeping public lands open to public use, he would do it in a heartbeat, especially in a close race like this one. Witness Gore's recent 180 on the Strategic Oil Reserve issue. You know something that has always amazed me is that Gore enviro supporters don't see that he will flip for votes./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

Bush is less a politician; he is a big oil man. That means he is for the big oil companies. If he was a smart oil man, he would favor a stable, but not too high, price on crude oil. Too high prices are good for oil short term but they also inspire conservation and investment in research for alternative sources of energy. From what I've seen, Bush has stood for this./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

Like the old Irish proverb "Better the devil you know than the one you don't", I think it is better to go with the "greedy capitalist" oil man than the "shifty" pol on this one...At least you know that Bush's motivation has been consistant /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

PS Clinton is a politician, too, and that's why he approved using the SOR. Bush is right to call a foul....this action is nothing more than a jesture that just might backfire on Clinton/Gore./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

 

H8MONDAY:

***Oh and how can you trust a guy who can speak but has no lips(Bush), not that he has said one thing with any substance since he became the republican nominee anyway.

His father said that, don't hold him accountable for what someone else does.

We KNOW Gore lies, I'm willing to give Bush a try.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/REP 8000/RS9000's/Scout II D44's F&R w/4.10's & Lockrights

 

The Strategic reserves hold 30 million barrels of Crude oil. US daily consumption is about 15 million a DAY. This will do nothing. In addition, refineries are at 96-100% capacity. More crude ain't going to do a thing.

This is the same thing that happened last year. Since when is winter a strategic operation.

This is a political move, plain simple. What happens if we really need that crude?

Gore is on record that gas should be 4-5 bucks a gallon. So why would he want to lower the price now.

 

The Strategic Reserves hold nearly 600 million barrells in Texas and Louisianna. Of course its a political move, anything that either Bush or Gore say or do for the next 6 weeks is a political move. And no it really cant do anything to curb dwindeling stocks of heating fuels,primarily in the North East. But it should be able to mitigate temporary price spikes, brought about by hoarding and speculation. Any companies using the the strategic reserves would be required to replace the reserves plus an additional amount at a secified date in the future, thus leaving the reserve larger than before the swap. Thats the idea anyways, will it work??? it surely wont stabilize prices, but OPEC is being a bigger pain in the butt, than they usually are,(as is typical every few years). OPEC has refused to increase output, even as worldwide demand is steadily rising, in the wake of economic recovery in Asia and Europe. At best this plan may put a slight short term downward pressure on prices,but it has really no down side, and it should ease some fears. I would rather see these two trying to come up with plausible solutions to a potential problem, than watch them sit around and do the talk show circuit with Oprah,(How lame is that?????). Bush needs to let the people know what he is about, and quit pointing fingers. When will the Republicans learn that the public is burned out on accusations and investigations. I mean 52 million dollars to investigate whitewater and come up empty handed,is not excactly a sign of knowing where to cut your losses. And the sight of Kenneth Star makes the average person cringe. They all need to get back to work and start solving the issues at hand.

Jeff
89 Wrangler
I take my Jeep "On the Rocks",usually "With a Splash of Addrenalin"

 

Jay2jeeps and sandman454 you guys have better be carefull or big brother will be after you ,your not supose to be able to think for yourself.The democrates will do that for you.And as far as a goverment surplus there is no surplus because if you take in less monet than you owe( the deficit) you don't have a surplus.This surlus that is talked about is only as aposed to this fiscal years budget and is acyually less than the deficit so in reality there is no surplus.Also Rush has said as far back as seven months ago that the dems. would pull off this stunt with the oil reserves just before election time, buying votes with americans own tax money. The problem is that it will probably work and get the man who will be the second worst president the country has ever had elected.

 

Not to mention that a TRUE environmentalist, espescially one who wants to eliminate the combustion engine would do nothing to lower the cost of any fuel. He would keep the cost of fuel high to encourage people to ride bicycles.
That just goes to show you that there really are no true environmentalist...they all wipe with toilet paper made from trees while in thier houses made of wood...and make thier protest signs on cardboard and wood.
Gore is a hypocrite just like any politician and any "environmetalist".
My vote goes for the guy who won't take my guns or my Jeeping trails away.

Dan 84 CJ-7,Weber,HEI. 95 ZJ,V8. http://netnow.micron.net/~wdohrn/

 

H8monday and all other Dem. party sympathizers, I just want you all to remember that the Dept. of Energy (correct me if I am wrong) is part of the executive branch of the gov. which means that it falls directly under the jurisdiction of the Pres. and his hired monkey along with his appointed cabinet monkeys. This fuel reserve release does not need approval by Congress.

84 CJ-7/258,Weber 38,Jacob's Omni Mag,flowmaster,3.5" SL,32" BFGMT, Superior 1 peas

 

If you think about it, Dan, we who enjoy driving on those trails, camping, hiking, etc. are actually the TRUE enviromentalists. We have an incentive to keep the outdoors clean for our use, as well as for all Americans to use. Who, afterall, wants to go wheelin' thru country that looks like a sh*th**se. /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif It's just one of the ways that this whole thing stands on its head, the "enviromentalists" don't want anyone to use the outdoors, except themselves, of course!/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

 

Weebs,
You hardly know my political views,morale character or future aspirations well enough to label me a Dem. party symphasizer. I am mearly pointing out facts. And continuoes finger pointing, biased representation of the facts, and wishfull thinking will noy put a Republican leader in the oval office. Lets face it the republicans have controlled the House and Senate for the last 6 years, they have also had a very strong presence in the supreme court. had they been paying a little more attention to good political manuevering and a little bi partisan arm twisting, rather the worrying so much about weather or not our moraly challenged pres was getting blow jobs in the oval office, we may not be so backed into the corner on so many republican lead issues. The vast majority of people want to see issues solved and prosperity continued. At the present we still have a strong presence of strong republican senators and governors in all regions of the US, and with such should be able to control through these representatives most issues you are concerned about. However if Bush is elected and immediately perceived by the nations voters as a puppet to his strong armed party members, you will most likely see a revolt against republicans in state elections in the near future leading to a much worse situation than we have at the present, then who will be in the public eye as completely missing out on taking advantage of the situation. the problem is that you all dont look back far enough to see what some of your republican leadres really stand for in the morals deptartment. for example, I have read so many statements of the democrats stand on abortions and the right to choose, when in fact Ronald Reagan was a pioneer in signing into affect the The California Abortion Act in 1963 thus legalizing abortion. Not that this is a big issue to me, I believe abortion is a matter between a woman, her doctor and God. So if you think that just wishing for Bush to become elected is going to put him there, and even if he is elected, if you think that the lack of restrictions placed upon big buisness by the republicans is gonna guarentee that forestry industry will flourish and in turn our inlet roads to those forests will increase, You are saddly disilusioned on both accounts. Inmost cases the Forest and timber industries are more than willing to sacrifice forest inlets used by 4 wheelers, but not needed by the industry, as a gesture to show how conciensiouse they are. So if you not staisified with current political situation as it stands, you dont habve much farther to look than the republican Majority leadership and there lack of moving in the propper direction towards any of the goals they are supposed to stand for.

Jeff
89 Wrangler
I take my Jeep "On the Rocks",usually "With a Splash of Addrenalin"

 

H8MONDAY:

In reply to:

However if Bush is elected and immediately perceived by the nations voters as a puppet to his strong armed party members, you will most likely see a revolt against republicans in state elections in the near future leading to a much worse situation than we have at the present, then who will be in the public eye as completely missing out on taking advantage of the situation.

Where did this come from?

In my estimation it's the lesser of two evils, Bush being a MUCH better choice then Alore.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/REP 8000/RS9000's/Scout II D44's F&R w/4.10's & Lockrights

 

History my good freind,
typicaly when the oval office changes parties, there is a swing of power in the house and senate. With voter disatisfaction of the incumbent the power swing is usually greater. If you think we have problems in regaurds to our civil freedoms now, with a majority of strong republicans at least able to maintane some level of common sense at the state level. Imagine now a Democratic majority swing 2 and 4 years from now, and a bumbeling Bush, following the same 4 years and out plan as his dad. Bush has not shown one iota that he has any thing in mind fro this country, other than to take the back seat to Party line politics, that already has this country mired down in a political quagmire. Dont get me wrong I hate the idea of having Agore in the white house. Some of his ideas are absolutely ludicrouse, his plan to equalize wages between men and women by offering more lax laws to sue companys and establishing federal fines,has got to be the most stupid thing I have ever heard, however with the predicted republican victories in Congress and the senate, not of it will ever come to fruition. You have to think at least one step ahead in the strict party line politics of the day. Republicans will still maintain a healthy strong hold for the next few years even with a weak democratic president, and I doubt that Gore will be able to last more than 4 once the public sees just how weak he really is. So we could hold our own in regaurd to our civil liberties, over the next 4 years then round the corner in the next election. Since this may be a scenario that we will be looking at in 6 weeks anyway,I think that republicans far and wide need to take a real look at how poorly the GOP has really done in terms of establishing and meeting any agendas. Vote to maintane strong leadership at state and local levels, and hope that we can generate a trully impressive Republican candidate to take the helm 4 years from now. Or keep pointing fingers at the democrats and just bury your head in the sand in regaurds to the Republicans inability to take as many strides as they could have, given their representation.

Jeff
89 Wrangler
I take my Jeep "On the Rocks",usually "With a Splash of Addrenalin"

 

So what about all the land grabs Komrade Klinton had been doing without the Senate or Congress? I forsee the same thing happening with Algore. And where is it written that to have a Republican President we have to have a Democratic Conress? What I'm shooting for is a Republican EVERYTHING. I'm not going to vote for Algore with the HOPES that we get a Republican anything else, it's the wrong line of thinking. And there is no "balance" with either being on party lines. The balance comes from common sense, no matter what the policital lines.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/REP 8000/RS9000's/Scout II D44's F&R w/4.10's & Lockrights

 

The only problem that I see with your feeling that Al bore will not get re-elected if he does get elected in the first place is that every one figure Klinton would not get re-elected if he won the first election.If Al bore keeps Allen Greenspan in his present position and the economy just does as good as it is at present without any more growth than it now has Al bore would be re-elected without any problem because thats the thing that most americans care about, how things effect thier pocket book, every other issue is secondary to that.If you are the president you can lie, cheat, steal, and be as corrupt and politically biased as you wish as long as the economy is doing well.

 

Steelerfan, that is a very good point, but I think Agore is gonna be able to raise the bar to all new hieghts of incompetency. And I dont think the "Who me???" tact that slick Bill has perfected, is gonna wear well on Agore. But still a good economy does make the average person very sedate towards the world around them.
JEEPN,
I never said that I was planning on voting for Agore, or have endorsed him in any way. I am mearly pointing out a very probable inevitability. I really dont want to vote for Bush either, but I cant just sit this election out, and a vote for any other is just a wasted vote probably favoring Agore. I am only pointing out that its time for republicans everywhere to quit blaming Klinton and the Democrats for everything from Sun spot radio interference to your next door neighbors cat getting knocked up. There is enough Republican empowerment at this time and with predicted outcomes of this Novembers elections. Most of our long standing Republican representatives seem to have lost touch with what the average Joe is looking for,(and yes a steady paycheck is one of the most important). Even in the event of a Bush victory I think we will be very disapointed in his ability to organize the GOP, to do anything but lay out the party favors for the Corporate free for all.

Jeff
89 Wrangler
I take my Jeep "On the Rocks",usually "With a Splash of Addrenalin"

 

Very true. I wish there were someone "reliable" that was running. You know, people (like me) complain about politics all the time, and how little difference there is between party lines anymore. It's all the "Gimmie gimmie gimmie" mentality and what others plan on doing with my hard earned cash. When is Jesse Ventura going to run? Heck, I'll run, anyone got a spare $500 million to lend me?

Most probably don't know, but my wife removed her bid on a contract because if she'd have gotten it, it would have put us over the threshold and into a new "bracket", where they'd take so much more in taxes (and associated fees), that she'd make less than she is now. What's the point in trying to get ahead and better ourselves? Good thing we checked with our accountant before we went any further. It's this type of greed I dispise, no matter what the party line, but it usually originates with the democrats wanting to give more money to this whiny group or that one, or some impovershed country that'll never pay it back and has no intention of putting it to good use.

I'm willing to give Bush a chance, he's definitely the better of the two, and I don't give a rat's A$$ about what his old man did. He's kinda rebelled and done his own thing anyway, with regards to his family, that means he has a mind, and may not listen to others too much.

I do blame the democtrats for a lot of the problems, but if you look at the "stupid" bills that come down the pike, they were the ones that originated them, backed by Eco-Terrorists or Anti's.

I don't blame you, don't get me wrong, you have nothing to do with it, I'm just saying we should vote for the best people possible, in every situation, and not worry about strategic placement of power.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/REP 8000/RS9000's/Scout II D44's F&R w/4.10's & Lockrights

 

What H8Monday was saying is that if Bush is elected and then does a bum#%&* job of things, the populous is going to elect Democraps into the State offices and in 4 years we might end up with a Democrap in the Oval office as well. Then where will we be? I don't know about you guys but I'll sell off almost everything I own and hop on my little sailboat and head for the South Pacific. We haven't had any REALLY GOOD presedents since it became too expensive for anyone from the middle-class (even the upper-middle-class) to run for office.

Restoring a '74 DJ-5C /wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif Its missing the alternator. At first the Ammeter gauge just didn't work but now its missing an alternator /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif