First of all Goud, how about you use your brain and post this crap to the non-alert board. You think you have enough respect for order and our wishes to follow that little advise?

But, in response to your childish and...well... stupid post - lets look at this.

You want to fight (and I quote) "to protect our private lands from illegal off-road use". Great goal. I applaud you. I can't stand illegal off-road use either. I doubt you will find any people reading this who are for illegal land use.
Then, you say (and I quote again) "Look for our initials in your favorite off-road sites".

You are a loser here for 2 reasons - take your pick which one you stand by.

1. By saying this, you contradict yourself. You claim to fight "illegal" use, then make a blanket statement that you will use your childishly profane acronym at our favotite offroad site - even though that site is legal.

OR...

2. You don't mean legal sites, you mean our favorite illegal sites, right? So you - like an uninformed fool - assume we are all off-roading in illegal places, and that our "favorite off-road sites" are illegal.

So, which one do you stand by Goud? Personally, I am tired of your sorry contradictions and generalizations. I think you have some halfway decent points ot bring up, but you can't seem to grow past your local situation and see the big picture. Get a clue, or go away.

David
Davids 4x4 Page

 

Defend your home then. Put up a fence around it, post no trespassing signs, and if the abuses of your land continues, you should take legal action against the person(s) responsible for it, not the 4x4 community as a whole. To continue this conversation in the future, post to the general board. I agree that the childish attitude and use of profanity on a site that you don't honestly seem to have a legitimate use for (in your eyes I guess harassing us law abiding 4x4 owners/drivers legitimate, but it's really not, unless you can lose that childish one sided attitude that unless it's a form of recreation you participate in it should be illegal, and have a true adult type discussion with us (not the Klintonian type of discussion where you drop large bombs on the other group until they see things your way), but rather a nice calm well thought out attitude that realizes that just because we like off road driving, we're not evil, and we're not doing anything illegal.) I can't stand the people who off road illegally either. They harm the environment, and convince people like yourself that all who drive off road are evil and are doing something illegal.

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4

 

Doug, since when did I attack your home? Quote from my last post to Doug, aka Goud:

"I could take a cheap shot and point out to the rest of the folks on the new BBS, that on the old BBS, we found out that Goud (aka Doug and Udog) lives south of Edwards AFB, in an isolated homestead in the desert. In the Edwards Bowls area. I guarantee it that his house, yard, and graded dirt driveway has "impacted" more desert than all of us here combined."

Is the attack on your home? I am not attempting to give the location of your house for purposes of somebody going out there. It is just that the article you posted indicated So Cal desert is being impacted, RIGHT WHERE YOU LIVE YOU IDIOT!!! Can you say hypocrite??.

By the way, great substantative response to my post. You answered exactly nothing. Instead you respond with an attack and name-calling. Rocky posted earlier, after Greenarchy's first troll, about wondering what the average IQ of the ORV'ers is. His post was bogus, but the statment is directed now, with glaring brightness, at the enviro-idiot community. You all-consumming enthusiasm with enviro-idiocy blinds you to facts.

The real agenda of Goud and Greenarchy, and their commrades always some out in the end. The smoke screen of open-mindedness, and discussion always fades to name calling and total closure of lands to anyone other than themselves.

Visit this page. Scroll down half way.

http://www.off-road.com/~nvirolie/elgb.html

I have reached the end of my rope regarding you Goud, from a civility standpoint. If you can't understand what the quoted post means, I suggest you resign from your school teacher's position, becuase you are not qualified to teach a dog to fetch. You want to keep people off of your land, post "No trespassing", or put up a fence. Are people supposed to guess where public ends and private begins? We have been through this all before on the old BBS. We ORV'ers don't want private land trespassed upon, nor illegal off trail use. PERIOD!!

Like I have to carry uninsured motorists insurance to drive (despite the law requiring everyone to have insurance to drive), you should put signage up or shut up.

Good luck with your group. How many people do you have in it, besides you?

I will delete, unread, any privates messages that you might send (as I did with Greenarchy) and ignore any other of your posts, should they sink to the current level of discourse. Further, if you are intent on disrupting, posting crap, and posting on the Alert Board this drivel, I will be forced to contact the admin, to get you banned. They will do it. You previously have behaved yourself. Now you are not. We are under no obligation to give you a forum for your BS.

Happy Holidays!

 

I actually agree with Goud/Doug/whatever for once! I also am against illigal offroading on PRIVATE LAND without permission. He is perfectly in his right to defend his "Private land". Go right ahead! for God's sake seal yourself off from the rest of us! When has ANYONE on this board advocated offroading on PRIVATE LAND? When did the NATIONAL parks become private property? The more I read on this BBS the more I am opposed to the greenies, simpy on the basis that I have yet to meet one with an informed, intellectual, non-biased viewopoint.

MudFlap 87 YJ POS!!

 

jeeper;
I have put up signs, I have blocked trails on private land--it makes no difference. A kid (or adult)on an ORV is like the wind--you can't catch them even if there was adequate police or rangers to enforce the feeble laws that do exist to protect private property. The BLM guys told me that even if I fence off my land I'm still liable for injury to any biker who hurts him/herself on it!!!If I can't keep them off private land--who can keep them out of roadless or wilderness or whatever??
I draw the line at shooting at these vandals as I value human life too much.

 

Goud, Have some signs made up to the effect of: By Entering this Private Property, you are agreeing that any injury that occurs to your person or damage to your equipment is the sole responsibility of you. Get a lawyer to write something a little neater than that but that's what I'm thinking of doing on my family's property. I hate the idea that an idiot that has no reason whatsoever to be there in the first place can sue me for any injury they incur on my property. Did you just block the entrance to the paths/trails, or a fence all around? Here's my analogy. Banning anything can be basically like trying to ban guns. The only people it affects is the law abiding citizens. If ATVs get to be illegal, people will still have them. A lot of originally law abiding people as well. But that would change as they became criminals for what used to be legally riding on approved trails in public or private land if they have the property owner's (written) permission. I don't go anywhere on private land without the expressed permission both verbally and in writing from the owner. I'm sorry you have to deal with the type of people who don't ask permission/don't care whose property they ride on. I still think the disclaimer signs would be very useful for you. It's a legally binding agreement if you have the boundary of the area marked and the signs are plainly visible. They couldn't dispute that. Just make sure you get plenty of doccumentation of exactly where the signs and boundaries are and that you have them marked, in case something like that ever makes it in to court. But PLEASE!!! Don't act like we're the ones who are doing it! I can only speak for myself here, but I'd bet that at least 99.99% of the people who use this board only use legal trails, have permission to use private ones, etc... Keep your mind open and your signs up... They should at least protect you from a lawsuit if someone gets hurt...

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4

 

YO ILL BET YOUR REAL NAME IS MONICA. EAT [censored] AND DIE YOU COMMUNIST S%*#HEAD

 

Goud, please disregard this responce. This is NOT the type of discussion we should be having here. Willy, if you care to share some ideas without being an idiot about it, please feel free. Otherwise, please shut up.

MudFlap 87 YJ POS!!

 

blow me

 

Hey now... It's bad enough that you're being a bit hostile to the greenies. Now there's no reason at all you should be hostile to the ORV owners... I don't know if you realize it or not, but to these people we are representing the ORV community. How do you want them to view us, as a bunch of rude idiots (which your posts seem to give the impression of) or civilized people who simply enjoy a sport, much like others enjoy football, basketball, etc...

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4