Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

Thanks, LEVE.......I just got back "on board" after a trip out to the Seattle area. The Mexican invasion has reached there too, and I saw nothing but Mexicans slamming those new yuppie mansions together; the carpenter's union might just as well close the hall. Work cheap.....do cheap work.....yep, that's the new mantra. YOW!!!

Hey,.....I'm going to send you the text of my WWII Veterans Commemorative Address that I gave today at a gathering of WWII vets, where we fed them and then we all watched the memorial dedication on the big screen at the church.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

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Thanks, LEVE.......I just got back "on board" after a trip out to the Seattle area.

[/ QUOTE ]1. And you didn't even stop by?
2. Remember, I was at your house last!

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

i'm not sure i *completely* disagree with Larry's sentiments, or the sentiments that whoever wrote that was putting forward, but I feel that it's an apples and oranges situation. Mexican people & their culture are already in this country to stay... Mexicans represent a large and quickly growing percentage of our workforce. so i'm not completely opposed to the idea of letting their kids go to the same school as mine or giving them healthcare. better that then letting them grow up uneducated and sickly.

As far as flying their flag, etc, that's their right in this country (i'm sure you agree with that sentiment.) Half of the people in the USA who say things like "oh they fly their flags everywhere and blah blah" (i'm not saying you're one of them, larry) don't fly an American flag on their porch, or display their colors in any way.

before anybody accuses me of defending the mexican population because i'm "mexican," i'm not. My family is from Spain (and, in a backwards way, so are some mexicans, i suppose...) I was born in Philly, in the good old USA.

just my 2c's.

-pablo

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If you retain water, it is in a canteen.

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hahahah!

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

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Mexicans represent a large and quickly growing percentage of our workforce. so i'm not completely opposed to the idea of letting their kids go to the same school as mine or giving them healthcare. better that then letting them grow up uneducated and sickly.

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Well, Pablo, you gotta first ask how it got that way. Now I don't think anyone has a problem with legitimate foreign immigrants eeking out a better life in the USA ..on the other hand a stampeding herd that picks every piece of fertile ground clean and then moves on is another story. We're being invaded with illegals. They don't ask if we want to afford them education and medical care ..or any other form of social services ..even though we pay the bill for them ...meanwhile they compete with our resident (and legally here) population for jobs.

It has become its own "culture" much like some of our resident minorities. One tenent of mine was about to have his second child via the same woman. He did not marry her. He paid his child support as required ..but because he did not marry her she got federally subsidized housing and medical care plus food stamps (access card). Since the limits for a new mother are two years after the birth of the child ..this woman calmly ..with full intentions had another child every two years to maintain the "state support". This became a "cultural norm" and entitlement ...a "that's how you raise a family" type method.

It's the same"type" of scam that the illegals use ..although I think that they have a better sense of family integrity. That is, it becomes a process to exploit the regulations to their advantage. Not all latino illegals are Mexican. Reading PA is full of illegal Dominicans that entered via Puerto Rico via "the canal". They find it quite easy to then get the papers to enter the USA legally. These are not necessarily those seeking a better life ..many are criminals escaping harsh prosecution back home. They bring their troubles with them.

Let me ask you this, Pablo. Can I have some of the money in your wallet? How about a piece of your property? Can I open your refridgerator and help myself ..without asking? How about working a few less hours at your job and you ask the boss to use me instead? You wouldn't have too much of a problem with that would you? You wouldn't mind if I rename your streets to reflect my ethnic heritage would you? How bout having signs printed in some language that you don't understand ...but now have a need to just because so many like me are around?

Yes, Pablo, the age of the "whitman" is coming to an end. This doesn't mean that the USA desires to be "mulitcultural". We've been a melting pot since the beginning and it has been for the better...that is our differences, when combined, have also included certain strengths. This is in total contrast to a singular culural invasion that we are seeing today.
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This is stealing ...period. It's stealing of jobs, resources, and tax $$. I don't think ANYONE has to welcome it.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

Come to Texas for a few days. After you spend a few days, please write a new reply. It would be very interesting.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

Just my opinion! Does anyone see any "Americans" standing in line for those jobs? We have quite a few Mexicans working in our plant because we can't get americans who will work seven day's a week in a very hot, dirty enviroment.There are good and bad people of every ethnic background but the Mexican people i work with are trying very hard to make a nice life for their families here.I don't know if they are lagal or not but i do know without them we would not meet production needs and be in jepordy of loosing our plant to another city.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

Pablo...a few questions.

Do you consider yourself an American or a Spaniard?

Do you speak English or Spanish at your workplace and elsewhere?

Do you fly the American flag on the Fourth of July, or do you ignore the Fourth but celebrate holidays recognized in Spain?

Do you force your Spanish heritage on others, expecting them join in, or do you recognize that your culture is what makes you a unique part of this great Country?

Do you act out, sometimes using violence, against those who don't give in to your cultural demands?

Do you understand what we're talking about now?

I don't mean to be rude or condescending, but as a former resident of California, I have strong feelings about this. I am actually half German and the other half, well, Heinz 57. A mutt. An American, and proud of it. I don't expect anyone around me to learn to speak German or to celebrate German holidays. Heck, I don't even care when people slam the German culture for the atrocities of Hitler. Because, as an American, I am no longer a German. But the illegal, or legal immigrants who expect America to become something else just for them- they don't understand the idea of a "melting pot", and need a major attitude adjustment before being welcome in this Great Nation.

I'll get off of my soap box now, and I hope I didn't offend you, Pablo. I am not questioning your Patriotism towards America in any way, I am just trying to get you to see why this issue is a point of volatility for many.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

I have to agree with you leve. In my area they are everywhere. They do lots of the jobs other people don't want to do but i think they keep wages down because they will work for less. I don't mind people legally comming here, learning our languages, and becoming part of "american culture". I don't like going to burger king and having my order screwed up or the auto zone and having some one that can't understand i'm asking for a t-case output seal. I also don't think we should have to learn their language, our ansestors came here and all leared english if they didn't all ready speak it no reason the mexican imigrants shouldn't do the same. I refuse to learn spanish to live day to day and I really hope I don't have to learn it to be an autos teacher. I've grown up and known some mexican kids some our normal members of society and others can bearly speek english and are only in school for free lunch and because the government makes them.

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Kathy, I don't care if they are Mexican, Iranian, Syrian, or Martian. If they want the job ...and are willing to work it ...fine!! Where I work almost our entire production force is from India or Bangladesh. They work very hard for minimal wages and do it without complaint. They are a fine asset to my company and it will probably stay "economically viable" much longer with them, then without them. I can't imagine the company "working" well with native born Americans in those jobs. I'm one of the few "gora"(Urdu meaning 'white people') that has made friends with several of these people. That is, I'm not xenophobic.

..but these are LEGAL immigrants ..granted permission to immigrate to the USA. They apply via lottery and feel very fortunate to be chosen. They also have a filter applied. We don't need more uneducated workers. Us babyboomers that are getting old and retiring fill the full spectrum of our society. Cops, engineers, teachers, mechanics ..you name it ..we're getting old and are fading off into death. Our "legal" immigrants tend to be finer educated people ...with substantial worth to contribute to our nation. They don't over tax our social services due to lack of employment and use of welfare. These legal immigrants will probably retain much of their parent cultural integrity ..but their children or their children's children will be swept into our mainstream and add their input into our culture.

This is not what happens with unthrottled illegal immigration. Again ..I don't care where they come from.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

I often try to stay out of the political racist arena because my opinion is the right one, at least to me.
My parents were first generation US citizens. My grandparents came from Finland and Scotland. Both sets spoke their native tongue in the home and worshipped in a church with a minister from their home country. Outside the home they spoke only english. They were all very fluent in writing and speaking English. They celebrated native holidays with family, no big deal that their neighbors and friends didn't even know about them. Their children were not allowed to speak anything but english outside the home. Both of my parents spoke excellent english when they started public school. They had pride in their heritage, but they never forgot why they came to the USA, to make a better life for themselves and their children. They were damn proud to say that the were American citizens. They worked hard, had high values and never asked for a handout. When my grandfathers retired they both got letters from unemployment stating that they were eligible for benefits. They both turned them down saying they had never collected and it would be wrong to do so as a retired person.
Bottom line. This the USA, a land of LEGAL emmigrants. It is an english speaking country. Enter as a legal emmigrant, learn to speak english, embrace the cluture and your new neighbors, work to better youself and your children, no handouts.

I'm tired of people telling me they were persecuted and how bad it was in their homeland. So they come to the US and tell me we have to change. Go home and change things there.
I'm the proud son of a 20 year Navy father, I did 2 Navy tours in Vietnam, and I'm the father of a disabled vet.

If you can't do this or don't like my attitude, pack your crap and go home.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

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Pablo...a few questions.

Do you consider yourself an American or a Spaniard?

Do you speak English or Spanish at your workplace and elsewhere?

Do you fly the American flag on the Fourth of July, or do you ignore the Fourth but celebrate holidays recognized in Spain?

Do you force your Spanish heritage on others, expecting them join in, or do you recognize that your culture is what makes you a unique part of this great Country?

Do you act out, sometimes using violence, against those who don't give in to your cultural demands?

Do you understand what we're talking about now?

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1. An american, of Spanish descent.

2. I speak both. I am bilingual, where I bartend my barbacks and kitchen staff are all Mexican, so I speak spanish for the most part. They are perfectly fluent in english, but I like to keep my Spanish up to snuff.

3. I celebrate both sets of holidays.

4. I don't force any of my culture on others. But I don't think that I'm having any mexican culture "forced" upon me.

5. No, I don't, but I don't think that mexican people act out in violence because we're not giving into their cultural demands. If that's the case, then we are all guilty of it...I can't wait for someone to post like ONE example of a mexican acting out violently and then claim that because there have been some isolated incidents, it's reason enough to lump everyone into a group.

6. I do understand what you guys are saying.

Sometimes I agree with you. I am not looking to start an argument, it's just how I feel. I respect everybody else's opinion, and I'm not going to say that you're "ignorant" for thinking that.... The way things are going I can honestly see how some of you feel that way... We'll agree to disagree

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

Eventually we are going to have to accept a decrease in our living standards in order to maintain to growth of our economy.

Once we accept that Indians with Phd's are worth more $$ in the world market than an American with a 2.0 high school GPA, things will begin to balance out, and the glut of illegals emmigrating to this country will begin to subside.

 

Re: O/T CJDave, this one\'s for you.

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This is stealing ...period. It's stealing of jobs, resources, and tax $$. I don't think ANYONE has to welcome it.

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Tain't stealing. They can't steal what's being given away to them. Was I wrong to send in the rebate form on my new computer, the extra drives and several other items I bought? Your government representation is giving it away, why wouldn't they take advantage. I think that's the whole point of LEVE's post, they do it because we let them.

It's not just the immigrants, I see it all over the place. People join clubs and the first thing is they start changing the rules. Look right here at the people who joined this bbs and can't bother to spell, use punctuation or anything resembling proper grammar.

The most disturbing to me was not an immigrant but was a statement made by Sister Souljah during the Rodney King riots. She said that she was African-American and that meant that she was African first. On the other hand, some groups were lobbying Whoopi Goldberg to promote African-Americans when she hosted the Oscars. She said, "I've been to Africa. I'm an American."

I realize this is not the subject of this post, but I'll predict more and more jobs are going outside the USA. It won't be to pay lower wages, it'll be for freedom from lawsuits. Eventually, the American way of life will poison the rest of the world and the playing field will be level again.

I have to say that I can't get too excited over this subject. At my age, this ride will be over for me before too much longer. At any rate, I'll be retired and won't need to compete for a job. What are the rest of you going to do???? Can you say, "Do you want fries with that?"