i would love to take my stock 89 xj to the local jeep dealer and chalange the 'liberty'...eww i i cant beleave i wrote that word out...and see what happens...i have now lost all respect for new jeeps...sorry if that afends anyone but its true...i never did like the yjs or tjs, not a big fan of the nw zj's, it has always been the cj-5s and the xjs for me...i will always stand behind my jeep...and anyone esles, but what is going on with the new jeeps really makes me sick...andy