Re: need new forum ???????

hey!... before i was a sammi buff. i was an www.s-series.org buff! We had an entire site dedicated to the lovers of s-series (my ex-love). I wish we had our own site like that! With a forum as helpful as that! anytime i had any question, i'd have a million good answers in an hour! That's what we need!

SOMEONE GET TO WORK!!!

There's lot's of good zuk info on the net, we just need to consolidate it and create a place for us all to hang out, something we can visit every day!

OH... and we also need a newsletter so we can read something on the ****ter!

 

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sorry, i think it's gonna be a war.
although, it's a great idea. a limited membership, no more boring newbie questions and you could discuss all your modifcations untill your blue in the face,and not have any body bother you.
oh.. there is a site like that it's at OFF ROAD.CAR a disscussion of dune bugges-sand and desert cars. GENERALY OF TUBE CONSTRUCTION....and only 577 posts so far
i'm sorry for the rant but, i myself have learned many things on this post from many different people that i have used to improve my samauri, as i'm sure others have.and i'm sure many questions that i asked had been asked before,but someone has allways answered with no complaints before and others who are just starting out will do the same. We are not on the same level of modifcations as you are, yet...and some never will. but one newbie question might spark a new idea...

 

Re: need new forum ???????

i agree with another section but you can't forget the little guys either. the experienced zukers might be tired of hearing the same old question but they also need your help and experience. have you visited pirate4x4.com's bbs? they have a section called general 4x4 discussion and it has lots of good info like you might be looking for.

brian wilson
80 cj5 "high 5"
stretched to 100" wb
vortec350/4L80E/d300/d60fr/14br/detroits/4.56/38's

 

Re: need new forum ???????

I'm a newbie (it says it next to my name) and my Samurai is not extreme (it's all bolt-on, in fact, but will be pretty capable by the time I finish it) but I understand where you guys are coming from. I'd just keep telling people to search the board when they ask a repetitive question if I were you guys.

http://www.geocities.com/sloan_3_24_74

 

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Well I agree with the fact there are lots of simple repeat questions on the board. But you are not talking about a heavy mod zook board. What you need to start is a hybred board. If it is not all Zuk or even mostly zook it is a hybred and that is the list you want. That way you don't suck out all the experience and wisdom from this board.
.02

Jason

"Where the land and my Zook meet, my spirit soars, my soul is alive, and my life has true meaning."
http://www.geocities.com/zuk_tonka/zuk.html

 

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Quick question and my say.

Where would you draw the line ?

As our needs for the extreme grow more suppliers are developing new hardcore stuff to meet our demand. A few years ago 1/4 eliptic was serious stuff now today you can get it in a DIY kit. Same for coils.
What's extreme cutting edge today might be old hat tomorrow.
ie - my Rhinosaurus Rex

Talking of which. This is gonna sound selfish but - Cutting Edge - I've not posted anything else up for R.Rex 'cos I want to keep my ideas to myself until they're done so nobody gets out there early after copying them for half the price after I've done all the ground work and claims them as their own.

And now for the final declaration of war....
If you need help in building your extreme vehicle maybe you shouldn't be attempting it. The answer might be to suck it and see. After all who does Sonni Honneger talk to ?
Say you were to do something a certain way that some one else told you to do it and it fails big time ( possibly causing injury ) who do you blame ?

Joe

LJ160 Widened body - 1600cc, Sammi 5 Speed, 410 Tcase, 410 axles with 413 1/2 shafts, Custom long travel shafts, Mitsu PAS, Disc brakes all round, Wiilwood tandem master cylinder, 2" Bodylift, SPOA with anti wrap, Scakle revesal with 8" drop LA Supa Droopers, Rear 12" drop twister schakles, Ramsey winch, 33" MTs on Custom rims and all the other bits needed to make it work. Cover Feature truck 4X4 Offroad & 4 Wheel Drive Mag UK Feb 2001.

Evilution SJ439 - Top Secret Project

Rhinosaurus Rex II - Top Secret Project

 

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Re: need new forum ???????

ok, what a load of crap.... I suppose the people with the extreme Zuks started off just knowing what they were doing and nobody ever helped them do anything. The rest of us are just moron parasites who suck the life and info out of these mechanical geniuses and have no originality of our own. There are elitist lists out here already and they have very little message traffic. Some people have even gone to a mambers only web site where they have tons of info that they refuse to share with anyone but the lists members..sounds great doesn't it? Problem is, most of their info they took from a list somewhere and hoarded it to themselves. And when they don't have an answer to their question, they come here to ask us what to do...
My statement is this, if you want to be selfish with ideas, then do it, but don't come on here asking for help if you don't plan on offering some in return.
If you get tired of answering low tech questions, don't answer them..nowhere does it say you are required to open a message titled "where is the gas cap on my Zuk", but try to at least remember where youcame from. That newbie asking the question today may be the next Tim Hardy...just a thought...
R/T

88 Samurai, 1300 bored .020,Power Punch II head w/1600 exhaust valves,Low End AAPA cam,Weber,Calmini Header,2" Exhaust System,31/13.50/15 Baja Belted Radials

 

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it was just an idea!!!! and i went way out of my way not to step on toes. i would have still gone back and forthe between the boards and i always help anyone out. i just would like more info on topics of interest to me. if i can be polite about it, the rest of you should be too. i never slam others rigs or offer any reply unless it's constructive. i wish i could get the same in return from the " it's gotta be 100% suzuki to be a samurai " guys!!! any way, grow up.!!!!!!!!!! i have seen several posts that i thought were stupid and did not respond cause i did not want to ruin that guys post for the people that may be interested. lemme know. if it's not suzuki enough with the majority on this board to share info with, i'll gladly go somewhere else. but it's a shame to be shunned for working hard on you're rig and seeking some more advanced techniques to apply. i also built my last rig with support from this forum. thanks to all that helped, it turned out great.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

Re: need new forum ???????

thanks for the reply HIGH 5 , i'll check it out asap.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

Re: need new forum ???????

FAQ's should be developed and placed where everyone can find them.
The information placed there should be complete and repeatable and verified.
If information is detailed enough anyone should be able to follow the instructions, if not do not do it.
Do not post information that is not safe, jury rigged, not mechanically sound.
Most importantly do not place information there if one paid someone to do the work, they have no experience.
List the tools required, special sst's, welders, press, porta power.... used.
Take digital pictures of the work and post them.

Who can provide the space to keep FAQ's !!!!

LoneZuk
FJ40/FJ60/Zuk/Trooper/TY350/TL125 - grease monkey and engineer

 

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I guess you did not fully get what I was saying. A hybred list would allow people from every media get together and discuss there mods. If the mod does not have zuk parts it would be nice to get info from people that speak the language of that part. It does me very little good to talk to you about your rig because we have little in common. But other people with different rigs might. Thats why it should be generic. "hybred".

"Where the land and my Zook meet, my spirit soars, my soul is alive, and my life has true meaning."
http://www.geocities.com/zuk_tonka/zuk.html

 

Re: need new forum ???????

I'm not a newbie.

But I was one once...

I owe a lot of my success and enjoyment of this hobby to this forum. No matter how knowlegable I get, I will not forget all the help I got here (along witht the help I receive in the future). As such, it is my responsibility as part of the Samurai Community to answer the "stupid" questions posted here.

Unfortunately, the search engine isn't effective enough for newbies to find all the answers they seek. Until it is (or someone creates the Ultimate Samurai Book of Wisdom [Hey RangerRick! remember that conversation we had???]) The stupid questions will (and should) keep coming.

Someone mentioned another forum here dealing with scratch-build wheelin' projects. I know if I was to graduate to that type of endless fun, I'd be on that forum like a duck on a junebug!

Ack

 

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BTW I am not agueeing with you I am trying to help widen your vision to include a larger resource.

"Where the land and my Zook meet, my spirit soars, my soul is alive, and my life has true meaning."
http://www.geocities.com/zuk_tonka/zuk.html

 

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As I sit here behind my desk all I can say is that no question is a stupid question.

Someones question may change your way of thinking about a problem resulting in
more questions or resolve a problem that has not been answered.

I always ask questions of everyone I can find.

LoneZuk

 

Re: need new forum ???????

thanks jhs, i would include and kind of rig. i enjoy the design phase as much as anything. however the reason i suffest extreme zook based is the concept of zooks. light weight and extreme travel as opposed to 50,000 dollar rigs with 600 hp and 2 1/2 ton military axles. but hey, they are cool too. i have always enjoyed making vehicles do things that they shouldn't be able to, and doing it cheaper than most. her's my prior vehicle list to give yall an idea.
1st car 74 vega with 327
80 datsun 200sx with 351 cleveland
2 more v-8 vegas
74 landcruiser sbc,granny etc.
72 jeep commando 1/2 ton axles and 14" lift
two zooks built with all normal mods and some others
my daily driver 86 1/2 ton chevy with 468 and saginaw 4 speed
and my latest is whats left of a zook, blazer,chevy luv, nissan, jeep, and lots of rollbars, and tractor parts. i think it's cool.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

Re: need new forum ???????

The Ultimate Zuk Info site would be easily done except for one issue. In order to make it work, you need contributions. I'm sure that if people contributed their work, Soemone could easily post it at a site. Hell, I'll happily build the site if you folks will help me out. I would need info, photos and FAQ and responses to them. Any mod would be welcome that is safe, no matter hopw easy, low tech or hard/extreme. Just let me know what you wanna do and I'll do the web work.
Bill, my post wasn't aimed directly at you, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I just noticed that some people forget that they weren't always the most knowledgable guy on the block...no matter how good you are or how much you know, someone picked you up somewhere along the way. This list and some others I visit, have picked me up on many occasions, I just hope I can do the same for someone myself.

If anyone wants to contribute to the Ultimate Zuk Info (U.Z.I.) site, send your info and pics/write ups to zukimonster4x4@cs.com
R/T

88 Samurai, 1300 bored .020,Power Punch II head w/1600 exhaust valves,Low End AAPA cam,Weber,Calmini Header,2" Exhaust System,31/13.50/15 Baja Belted Radials

 

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hey flipez, thats too cool. i'll get my stuff together anyway. but let's include the experimental section. i mean how safe are tractos arms,vw coils, and no degree in design. but hey it just might work. but a special section would be cool to let people know in advance to proceed at your own risk. i do.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

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Bill, Absolutely an experimental section. I understand completely that SPOA, coily's, eliptics, all those were experimental at one time. You guys send me the stuff, but please let me know if you have any expertise in what you're doing or if it should be in the experimental section. I'll start the site as soon as write ups start coming in.
R/T

88 Samurai, 1300 bored .020,Power Punch II head w/1600 exhaust valves,Low End AAPA cam,Weber,Calmini Header,2" Exhaust System,31/13.50/15 Baja Belted Radials

 

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damn billtooley cant we all just get along. just kidding, i pretty much cover the whole 4x scene. i have a zuk, on 33s and gears. a land cruiser on 38s and now the next one will be full tube 5 seater big block w/nitrous and rockwells. so i understand what you are talking about. the pirate 4x4 general board is the best spot i have found for the cutting edge stuff. i go to it all the time, but i still hangout here also. i have moved my perspective over the past couple of years to try to include a little bit of everthing. later mike

zuks and toys

 

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o i allmost forgot. its not what you buy it's what you build that matters in my book. mike

zuks and toys

 

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amen mike. it's not whatcha buy its whatcha build. i used to be a buyer. lots of watchin,helpin,friends build their jeeeps etc. and learning to do it my self.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

Long-winded overview...

I've been reading this string, and I gotta say "Damn Bill, you fired up a hotbed!"

There's a part of me that would love to see an 'Expirimental' section to the ORC bbs. But I don't wanna leave the rest of the Zooki board out of it. I know that my rig isn't really much of a zook anymore. As it stands, the only remaining zooki parts are the frame (heavily modified), the t-case (heavily modified), and the body (HEAVILY modified). It has a chevy engine, a bastardized jeep suspension, blazer axles, and zook miscellany. It is in the purest sense a hybred; a mutt, if you will.

But, I'm not really much more than a newbie myself. And when I stumbled onto this board, I found a treasure trove of valuable info for zooks. I wouldn't deprive that of anyone, and I enjoy helpin' out those in need of whatever knowledge I have to offer.

I see Bill's point. It does get old seein' the same questions posted over and over again. I find myself hittin' the bbs less and less due to this repitition, and I believe this is an affliction that troubles a lot us. This is because people don't know how to search the board. We could cut that repitition down if ORC would give a tutorial or somethin' when you register to post.

But something we need to remember, is while this is a zooki board, it is also a different mindset of 4-wheelin'. Almost all the other boards rely on horsepower, speed, size, and expensive mods. We go for light, small, slow, cheap and flexy! We stand for something completely different than most other rides, and they can't understand it, which is why we have to endure their scorn. It's this mindset that ties the hybred zooks with the purebreds (or close to purebreds). And this is why we can't branch into another board.

Those of us who hit run the 'expirimental' mods, are buildin' these mods on the same pricipals of the original zook design; small, cheap, lightweight, and flexy. And we've gleaned so much from this board (and in my case, have so much more to glean) that it would be selfish to dash off to another board and hoard all our info and ideas to ourselves, and I don't think that's what Bill wants. I have some pretty radical designs in my head that I haven't gotten to try out just yet, and yeah, I hold them back 'till I'm able to test them before I post anything on them. I've fallen on my face in the past when I post before I test. This doesn't mean I'm selfish, it just means I wanna make sure it works before I post some lame-brained idea (once I got really excited about a possible fender-flare idea that totally backfired on me. I REALLY regretted jumpin' the gun posting that one).

Anyways, I know this post is WAY too long, and I think the answer lies in educating the newbies, not really branching off another forum. I mentioned earlier that I hit this board less due to the repition. This is lame for me, 'cause this is, without a doubt, the best zooki board on the 'net. Now I see this is the wrong attitude. I should, instead, respond to all those repeated questions showing the poster how to search the board, that the answer, along with so many others, is already there (the truth is out there /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif). That's the knowledge that will give us all the results we want.

My .02 (more like .06! whew!!)

Pillard

ppillard@macromedia.com

 

Re: Long-winded overview...

well said perry but, if 1 board is good 2 must be better and i would always go back and forth anyways. but very well said about the way we build zooks and extreme rigs are basically the same concept.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.

 

Re: need new forum ???????

Wow! You have a two Vegas???

With V-8s ??

I got a used one just out of college... Almost forgot that i owned one. That was an interesting GM design -- but then GM was trying all kinds of interesting things back then.

I wonder if I could shoehorn (much less find) an aluminum Vega six into my Samurai... Nah.

Ack