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"Issues" ITS RUNNING!!

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\"Issues\" ITS RUNNING!!

The "issues" have been addressed.. I would like to thank everyone here on the BBS for their help.... Dave, Rush, and everyone else that personally spent their time helping me... The problem I found out was that I just looked over the smallest detail.. GROUND THE SOLENOID.. when I replaced it the solenoid just wasnt working and there was never a ground.. GROUND GROUND GROUND... Thanks Rush ... one thing I want to add thought rush.. the picture is wrong you sent me.. THe light blue should be closest to the Starter Terminal and the Red Wire closest to the Battery I think you mav have done that backwards..

Thanks again everyone
 
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ok. Here's what I would do. First, re-ground your solenoid. I mean, run a wire from a known good ground (like battery - awfully convienent) and make sure the solenoid is getting a good ground. Once you have done this and if still nothing happens, try putting 12V to small terminal of starter solenoid. That should cause engine to crank. If that does the trick, the your problem is in the electric delivery.

Also, look for any of them "fusible links" that are usually attached to the solenoid. Some times those go bad, and you don't have any problems. They just stop working.

Drew

IN2DEEP 78 CJ5 302 FORD /wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif T176/D300 35" BFGS
 
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The solenoid must be getting a 12V power since the small terminal lit the Test Light? So whats the deal ?

Muddynut
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#6 ·
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Ensure that all connections are good. A dirty of corroded connection may provide enough current to power a test light, but not enough to activate a starter solenoid or a starter.

Am I a normal person in an abnormal world or an abnormal person in a normal world?
 
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just for the heck of it try running either a spare wire or use like a jumper cable between the solanoid starter terminal and the starter .Sometimes the cable gets corrosive build up between the wire and the connector.

Ray
Learn to let go of what does not serve you ,but forces you to serve it
why does everyone ask if I am gonna paint it ?
 
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#11 ·
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Brown explain this more please?... Rush come on man u must be nuts I have invested alot of money into this Jeep and I just want to get this thing going. any of your expertise would be greatly appreciated..

Muddynut
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Some people say its the neutral saftely switch could this be the problem if I coudl start it in drive,reverse, 1, 2 any gear before it died?>

Muddynut
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#14 ·
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Everything it could possibly be has been covered in this tread, and the other two you had going...

So, you have been told three times everything it could be, but you still haven't listened to anyone yet...

It's it's either the starter switch you moved to the dash, or more to the point, the wiring to that switch, and failed to mention here so someone could tell you about it, or it's the starter circuit fuse. (Fuse or fusible link)

I'm betting on the fuse still....
Unless you did something else to it and didn't tell anyone about it....

The $1,500 offer still stands. It will save you a ton of aggravation in the long run.

"I Have The Body Of A God... Buddha"
 
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Do you have automatic transition? My 88YJ would not start once I was deep in the woods, after a few minutes I though of the automatic lockout switch on the right side of the automatic transition. That was the problem, I had knocked the cable off in some tall weeds.

Happy Trails
 
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Rush, I'm not completely sure about your replies to my post.. Normally you would give your great expertise in the problem, but I have gotten a reply about questioning my knowledge with a offer to buy my CJ7? If you dont want to help please just dont reply each post has been a different problem that I have encountered...

Regards,
Falin

Muddynut
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Look on your starter solenoid for a third small terminal on the lower side, if it has one, it needs an external groung, this type doesn't ground through the mounting tabs, it's meant for the '80 and up models with a 999 chrysler automatic. The neutral safety switch provides the ground, through the center pin, for the solenoid. The earlier models with TH400s use a column mounted neutral safety switch that interupts the starter solenoid, light blue wire.
Their solenoids don't have the 3rd wire terminal.
 
#19 ·
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DING DING DING DING!

I think we have a winner!

Pat, what do we have in store for CJ5.2mag?

thank you for playing

OzarkJeep

"Too small to be seen, and too big to control, and treated like a walking bomb."
 
#20 ·
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Aw, shucks Mag, I think you done give it away...
I was waitin' to see what LEVE came up with, and how long it took.

But then again,.... Maybe not.....
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This guy e-mailed me a couple of times, but his return e-mail address doesn't work.
I see now the e-mail address he sent me is different than the one he listed on the BBS bio...
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He doesn't have the 999 unless someone did some really tricky swapping....
This is supposed to be on a '78 CJ, so my guess is TH-400.
Jeep only offered the T-150 3-Speed, T-18 4-Speed, and TH-400 Auto in '78, and my guess is it's still one of them.
Neutral safety switch was on the column then...

He also mentions the 'Blue Wire' is powered, and that when he jumps the solenoid, the Jeep starts...
(He never said if it was an activation terminal jump, or just jumping the primary wire terminals, so again we are in the dark...)

Blue wire is the factory color for the solenoid activation...
If it's powered, then the neutral safety switch on the column is apparently working, as is the ignition switch...

He gives no voltage or amperage readings, so we don't know how well it's working....
Just ....'Working'....

He also finally let go of the fact that his Jeep would start in any gear if I read that post correctly....
There's a clue...

We keep having to drag details out of him, and trying to guess all those 'what if's' is tiring.
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1. Verify the 'Blue' wire is on the correct terminal on the solenoid, and making contact.

Take a small gauge wire, and jump from the battery side of the solenoid to the 'S' terminal, if the starter cranks, you solenoid is fine, both in function and ground.
That also means the starter and battery cables are fine too.
The 'S' terminal is the one closest to the battery cable if you have the solenoid installed properly.

You should have the Ford type canister solenoid.
With the can 'Lid' pointing up, and the terminals on the bottom,
The first large terminals on the Left should be the battery cable connection.
(Left side as you face it from the engine bay)
The next terminal, a small one, should be the 'S' terminal, and that's where the 'Blue' wire should attach.
There should be (but not always) a small terminal on the near Right, that is the feed for the ignition when the jeep is cranking.
The large terminal on the far Right is the starter cable. It should attach to the starter cable.

If you are smart, there should be a ground wire under one of the solenoid mounting bolts running back to the battery.
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2. The 'Blue' wire...
The 'Blue' wire should no be active when the key is off. PERIOD.
The 'Blue wire should not be active when the key is in the run position. PERIOD.
The 'Blue' wire should not be active when the gear selector is in any gear other than 'Park' or 'Neutral'... PERIOD.
If the blue wire can be activated under any of these circumstances, have the Jeep repaired immediately by a qualified technician.

The only time the 'Blue' wire should be active is when the gear selector is in 'Park' or 'Neutral',
AND the key switch is rotated around to the 'START' position.

If you have a manual transmission, you should have to hold the clutch in anytime before the engine will crank.
This is a safety feature that should NEVER be defeated under any circumstances.

ANY THING ELSE IS UNACCEPTABLE.
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Do these tests, and let us know the outcome, and we will go from there...

"I Have The Body Of A God... Buddha"
 
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Hey Arron, I haven't met a jeep yet that had a clutch ignition safty switch on it... /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif But my Fords do, and your're right, as big as a pain they are, my friends kid ruined a glass door, and almost killed her sister when she wanted to turn the radio on, turned the key too far, and with the jeep in gear, it turned over and hit the side of the building... THANK GOD nobody was hurt...

Florida Mud CJ-5
'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
 
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All the TJ's have this feature. We had a Suz*ki (just to wind those Zuki people up) that wouldn't start all the time, turned out the thickness of the floor mat was the culprit.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205 twinstick/7" Lift/33" Swampers/REP 8000/RS9000's/Scout II D44's F&R w/4.10's & Lockrights
 
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"Aw, shucks Mag, I think you done give it away...
I was waitin' to see what LEVE came up with, and how long it took.

Like I told Muddynut in my post... "Email me direct... we can figure it out together!"

The posts seemed to be giving a little more heat than light. I don't mind helping people out... but when the posts start heating up... Heck, the forum don't need that, so I figured I could take it off line... no need for flame wars between anyone.

Me, I never heard from Muddynut.

My simple take on this situtation... there's information that's not avaliable for some reason... and without the more information on diagnoistics done, progress made, etc. most of the stuff here is suppostion and lots of good will trying to help out a fellow wheeler.

The posts from CJ8 and TR ... well they about cover everything I could ever think of (as usuall).

Good Jeepin'

Larry
 
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I wasn't trying to turn the heat up on you LEVE.
I was just a little peeved that he sent me two separate e-mails with two different return address, and both of them WRONG...

I spend a half an hour writing a response, and it' gets returned...

Besides, everyone has already covered everything it could be, all he needs to do is check out the listed components.

I'm assuming he doesn't know how, so what is why I tried to explain everything in detail...
Besides, I feel like I answer too many questions anyway, and I need to let the other guys handle these...

He's failed to mention that he moved the ignition switch to the dash, and they had to drag it out of him that his neutral safety switch would start in all gears.... (What neutral safety switch??)

He still hasn't told us if he has an automatic or a manual....

It's a little annoying we have to guess what he's got, and what he, or previous owners, have done to it....
With little or no input from him, and no descriptions or pictures...

Guess I'm still annoyed about the e-mail thing.

"I Have The Body Of A God... Buddha"
 
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Here it is 78 CJ7 304 V8 w/ the TH400 Automatic Transmission.. The "blue" wire running from the ignition switch that is mounted on the dash has power whenever the key is in any postion but off... On the Solenoid it has been replaced now a total of four times I bought 4 and kept trying them.. No I replaced my battery cables... my solenoid goes this way... from battery in to the right, ignition (small terminal) RED, to the right LIGHT BLUE, to the right Starter line (black)... The back of my ignition switch all the terminals HAVE POWER ... and the light blue line has power at the terminal.. I have jumped a postive line from the battery to the starter cable.. it just turned the engine...then i tried placing the line on the "blue" and it did not move or do anything I tried placeing it on the other small terminal (red) and nothing happened either.. the fuses in my fuse block are all correct nothing is broken.. My neutral saftey switch I believe was never hookedup.. I could always start the vehicle in drive, neutral, reverse, park, 2nd gear, and 1st gear without a problem.. I will run the ground wire tommorrow morning from the bottom of the solenoid to the battery and see if that helps? My email address is muddynut5@AOL.COM .. I sent it from that so you could have replied from there Rush.. I'm sorry that it did not work.. I replaced my ignition module also since the problem.. battery cable were replaced.. I have used the test light on all connections and there seems to be power.

If this is not indepth enough let me know..
Thanks

Muddynut
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