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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I've penciled in plans to get a Warn XCL kit for my YJ, however the kit parts are custom made by Warn specifically for whatever drivetrain is on your Jeep (ie: a Jeep with Dana 44 axles won't use all the same parts as a Jeep with Dana 30/35 axles).

I want to get rid of my Dana 30 front and get something of Dana 44 strength or better, but don't want to buy new wheels, especially since I recently installed a Ford 8.8" rearend which retained the stock lug pattern.

So I'm wondering if I can get a stronger-than-Dana 30 axle anywhere that has a 5x4.5 lug pattern. This has to be done before an XCL install because I don't want the lift to be installed on the front end twice.

Any suggestions?

-Dorian
88 YJ w/ multi-speed wipers
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
One big problem with that is your hubs on a 44 may be to big on the OD to be able to use the 4 1/2" bolt pattern. If that isn't a problem you could use a 44 from a 80 later (80-83 being the best, no vacume) wagoneer and just have your axles and rotors redrilled from 6 lug to your 5-4 1/2 wrangler pattern. I do beleive moser engineering can do this for a very reasonable fee, they could also tell you if it can be done safely. If not, A late 70s 3/4 ton ford axle would work also as a cantidate with a 5 on 5 1/2" pattern and have your rear axles redrilled to 5 1/2". New wheels would unfortanatly be required. Both of the 44s have the pumkins on the drivers side.

Steve

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what you should be able to do is the use from the steering knuckle out of the dana 30, and put it on the dana 44. only problem might be the spindle length. my friend used his, but his dana 30 was a 84. but i dont see a change in them. a 30 is 30. i would go with a chevy dana 44 and cut it down. the radius arm (where you bolt the tie rods too) on a chevy is on top of the knuckle vs in the middle like the scouts. keep your steering up higher. especially with coils..

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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
How can you use a 2 1/2" inside diameter knuckle from a d30 on a 3" diameter tube on a d44. All the 44s that I can think of that have the pig on the drivers side have 3" di tubes. Drilling out the centers on your wheels is always a possibilty though one I wouldn't recommend unless its a VERY slight amount. Would be cheaper to just sell your wheels and buy new ones, safer too.
Steve

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you dont have to use the knuckles.. everything else.. but im not sure on the spindle length. but we took everything off our dana 30 and stuck it on the 44.. since he had the warn internal spline hubs, brakes and all.

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If you are going to go to the expense of getting the 44 front you should go with the 5x5.5 pattern and redrill the rear. Most 30's that I have seen fail do it outside anyhow. Taking a 44 and putting on 30 outers defeats the purpose in my view. The 290x joint is quite a bit weaker than the 297x that is on the 44. As far as the warn hubs for the 5x4.5 I would stay away from those. I have seen many examples of them grenading on the trail. The other day there was one laying in pieces on a rock at the first obstacle on our club's adopt-a-trail with a note that said "nice rock, thanks."

Just my thoughts, good luck.

Axlesupagain
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Personally I'd redrill or get adapters made to convert the rear to 5 on 5 1/2 so you can have front hubs that are strong and plentiful, but if you're hell bent on keeping your 5 on 4.5 you may want to look into having a dodge frontend from the np203 days cut down to your specs. the bolt pattern is small 5 but I'm not certain if it's exactly 5 on 4.5 but it's close. These front ends are notoriously lame but I know of a few guys who are running them hard with no troubles thanks to routine maintnance. Best of luck.
Travis

 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
The early dana 30s (pre 86 ie. cj) have the same outside steering knuckles as the 44s. An early 30 steering knuckle will bolt right up to a 44. The later 30s on the Wranglers use a different knuckle than the earlier ones, they will not fit on a 44. Unfortunately this does nothing to solve this problem because the early 30s are all 5 on 5.5" lug pattern. I agree with some of the other posts and convert the rear to the larger pattern and get new wheels. If you are going to get new wheels though you might want to just keep the wagonner stuff complete and go to 6 lug wheels. Good luck.

 
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If I'm not mistaken, You can use a dana 44 from a wagoneer, and the swap the knuckles so you will keep your original hubs.....The wagoneer axle is wider, though....



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OK this is interesting. As per some people's advice to have Moser Engineering do some redrilling work on a GW axle, I sent them this email:

I have a 1988 Jeep Wrangler and I want to get rid of my Dana 30 front and get something of Dana 44 strength or better, but don't want to buy new wheels.

It was recommended to me to get a D44 front out of a 80's Grand Wagoneer and have it redrilled by Moser to be 5x4.5 and get hubs from Warn.

Is this a safe setup? How much would the job cost? Or will hubs even fit through the wheel w/ a 5x4.5 lug pattern? Where are you guys located?

And Moser responded with this:

I don't think you should have any problem making that switch. The Dana 44 rear is much stronger than the Dana 30 and there shouldn't be any problem getting the new hub to fit. To be sure, I would contact Warn.

Thank you,

Rob Moser

Moser Engineering

Does this make sense or does it seem that he misunderstood my question?

-Dorian
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Reply to their e-mail and be sure to ask for clarification that they can redrill a FRONT D44, be sure to mention that you have the 8.8 rear already...

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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
They certanly do, what is it called when you break an Amc 20 rear end, spinning a hub. They probably get more people than they can count that describe one thing, but call it a completly unrelated name. Therefor they have to fill in the blanks. So you just have to go back and clarify that you really did mean what you said the first time around.

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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
I heard in another thread that wrangler D30 knuckles won't fit on a D44 tube, but that CJ knuckles will fit. The spindles are not interchangable, and I believe I read somewhere that the warn kit itself ups the bolt pattern to 5X5.5 anyway... I could be very wrong on that, but I thought I read that somewhere recently.


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'77 RB304, t-150 D20 4" 35" swampers
 
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