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Especially wiener dogs and chihuahas. /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif

Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)

 

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I remember seeing this one chimpanzee and.... ah, forget it. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

LarryM
'85 CJ7, 350TBI, T19
'00 TJ, 4.0, NV3550, D44

 

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I'm voting for Alan Keyes. I just love to hear him kick ass in the debates. He wins hands down all the polls.

McCain is a NWO gun control freak and is a democrat is republican clothing.

Bush is a NWO hand picked coke head, much like our current president, and will usher in one world government.

Like the man said, we have socialist party A or socialist party B. We now have a one party system, it is just that the disagree on
the level of socialism we should have.

I am afraid that in the end, I will have to hold my nose and vote.

 

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Let me throw my 1.5 cents into the ring here. It's either a better deal, 1.5 cents, or it's not worth as much. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
Very broadly speaking we vote for someone for one of two reasons. He will listen to us, council with us and after great deliberation will do what we ask him to do. OR we vote for someone because we know where he stands and we have confidence that he will do what is best for the community. I hope I have made both positions noble sounding, but the truth is that a poll taker, a person who listens to the people, and then follows the will of the people IS NOT a leader. Klinton is a perfect example. He is not only a poll taker, but he also picks from the "will of the people" those things which will help him instead of the country.
People who give indirect answers, convoluted and difficult to understand answers, different answers for different groups etc. are nothing but dishonest scumbags trying to get elected to an office. The political theory that "whatever it takes to get elected, then we can do the right thing for the country" is pure evil. Doesn't make any difference what the person WANTS to do once in the office, if he subscribes to the above theory, he will find some reason that it just wasn't possible to get it done.
John McCain has a big problem. It is his idea of reform of the election process. When you get past the "big money" here, "influence" there, it boils down to one thing. Running for office through the media, either by free advertising, or for the election process being paid for by the people through taxes of one kind or another. The big problem is giving the news media too much of an influence on the election. Many understand that the media ALREADY has too much power. What McCain is proposing will give them much more power, not to mention that his proposals do not address the problem with the unions forcing its members to pay into political action committees that they may not agree with so that the unions can do as they please with political contributions.
Alan Keyes may not be electable, but he is the only one running for office that says the same thing regardless of the audience or time of day or the year. Alan Keyes has an insight into what is wrong with this country. He was described by a radio talk show host here in Houston as a "prophet". After some thought, I think he might be right. Keyes will offend many, but what he says has the ring of truth and insight. I think that if Keyes were electable, there would be no reason for him to run. What he is saying a lot of people do not want to hear, and as a result he will probably not get elected. Doesn't deminish from his message.
I will vote for and campaign for Alan Keyes in the primiaries, and then for whoever the Republican may be.

Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site

 

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I just hope that no matter who wins the next election (I'm picking either Bush or McCain I think, at least if none of the others that would work well are going to be strong enough get more votes than Algore), that we don't have to extend our right arm and shout "Heil!" (whenever their name is mentioned)... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4

 

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I'm really leaning towards McCain, and I hope he can get the nomination. Of course there is something to be said for Bush's platform as well, anti gun control -pro cocaine and hookers.

"My other car is a BULLDOZER"

 

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John McCain scares me. He changes positions just like all polititians. His stand on campaign finance reform is nothing short of socialism. The bill he introduced last year would keep organizations like 4WD publications from telling us about pending legislation and who voted for or against it in congress. And for you 2nd Ammendment guys, it would keep orgs like the NRA from giving us a voting score card. The only people who could do these things would be the press. Do we want to press to have that much more power? This alone is enough to scare me away from McCain. Is he this far left, or does he not look far enough ahead at his on proposals to see what will happen? Either way he should not be president.

That's my 2 cents.

 

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Bob/CA.....Yes, I many cases you're right.....Socialist Party A.....or Socialist Party B......I view it more like a choice between the Central Commitee ......or the Board of Directors.

Tollerance: normal version: You should not persecute anyone for being different than you .....even homosexuals
Tollerance actual version: Teaching school children that being gay is OK...there is nothing wrong with it.

Ah......it's hopeless! There is no common sense to this madness! .....and it will only get worse no matter which direction we choose.......and voting has become making the "least bad choice". BTW......I do vote!

Maxwell's 4 theory of thermal dynamics (paraphrased): Anything left to itself decays

GeeAea

Figures don't lie ....... but liars sure do figure.

 

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alrighty.. here are my thoughts.. on all this crap.. most politicians are corrupt, in being from their position of power that they assume, and being in there for any length of time. i want a non-politician to be president. someone like myself... they should drive a jeep, drink beer out of a bottle, have a watch with hands on it. meaning they believe in themselves and their ways.
but unfornately just like mentioned above.. the people vote for who ever gives them a "feeling", kinda like the hiesman trophy.. its who ever is force fed down our throats. and every politician will likely stand for something that everyone will not like.. i like mccain for his belief in his ways, but some of his standings dont light my fire.. i am military, and he was against a pay raise for me.. and his stance on gun control scares me..i dont own a gun, but i am for the people having the right to bear arms.. a society without firearms.. is one more step to being controlled by their govt. all i ask for is that they run the show like a MAN, if you screw up.. own up too it and take the punishment, dont lie to me like i am some blind, deaf, and dumb kid..
i am still voting for myself..

survival is instinct, but living takes guts

 

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OK, so here's my dime to add to the collection kitty.

In reply to:

Tollerance: normal version: You should not persecute anyone for being different than you .....even homosexuals
Tollerance actual version: Teaching school children that being gay is OK...there is nothing wrong with it.

Ah......it's hopeless! There is no common sense to this madness! .....and it will only get worse no matter which direction we choose.......and voting has become making the "least bad choice". BTW......I do vote!

You have a point, but to a point./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif And the world is not hopeless, have faith. You can't apply common sense to an uncommon problem, won't work, unless you try to make the uncommon common, which is what's becomming common.

I can tolerate anyone, until they try to pass their beliefs on me, then I take action. Worship snakes, Budda, the devil, or the kitchen sink for all I care. You can be ****, straight, trans, or dead, as long as it doesn't affect me. Here's the problem, people keep trying to pass their beliefs off on others. If you're swayed or "brain-washed" into a sect or cult, I guess you should have opened your eyes sooner and it's your own damn fault, don't blame anyone else.

Everyone has an opinion, and the sharing of those opinions is good, so long as it doesn't get out of hand. Ozarkjeep, you're ready to give up a personal hobby because of what someone else believes or thinks? Are you crazy? So what if CJDave has an opinion on bleeding heart liberals, why should it affect the price of tea in China? Respect his opinions, get into a discussion if warranted, and move forward. Some lessons may be learned, some not, that shouldn't affect the jeep related questions and answers on this board.

I see how this got started and how it has escalated, Time to return you seatbacks and tray tables to their original upright and locked positions, and come in for a landing.

These are some of my opinions, but so what...

Take the gun control issue:
"It's to protect the kids..." Bull! The gun control nuts just want to pass their beliefs off on the rest of us. It's a proven fact that people kill, not guns. Besides, laws won't stop unlawful people from breaking laws, they only further restrict the lawful ones.

Gays in the Military:
"Don't ask, don't tell..." More bull. Homosexuals don't belong in standard military units (separate is fine). I know some don't want to hear this, but they don't. One of the main reasons women and men don't serve in combat units is due to the attraction between the two sexes. It throws off reasoning and can cause unstable judgements. Women are certainly qualified, don't get me wrong, I have served with some women who were more qualified, in all areas, than most of the men. This element holds true for an attraction between anyone, not just cross-genders.

Affirmative action:
Race and gender should be removed from all resumes and applications. For that matter, employment interviews should be conducted by a panel rather than individuals. Who cares what your skin color is or whether you're a male or female. Granted certain specific situations are sensitive and require that knowledge, but most do not. It's gotten to the point of reverse-discrimination now and shadowed it's original intent.

Am I wrong? No. I can't be. They're my opinions, which can never be wrong.

If everyone stuck to their opinions and didn't try forcing them on others, there wouldn't be a problem. Life would be grand, CJ's, Sami's, and Scout's would start being produced again, fuel would be $0.34 a gallon, and we'd be able to wheel everywhere.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights

 

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Guns kill, people don't???

To prove my theory that guns don't kill on their own, place a gun on a table in front of you, pointed at you, loaded, and then see, if it has no outside intervention on it (someone bumps it or some other way activates the firing mechanism), how long it takes for it to kill you... You can insult the gun all you want, even until you're blue in the face, but that there gun won't kill you... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4

 

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My bad, I changed the post. In my rage against the machine I became dislexic(sp?). I'm not making fun of dislexic people, I really do. I'll often have sentences come out with words swapped so it makes no sense, I don't know why, it just happens, kinda embarrasing. Glad to see you guys are watching out for my mistakes.

On the gun issue, thankfully they don't go off when you yell at them, and thankfully they were manufactured so deer couldn't hold them.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights

 

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When I get like that, I usually don't swap words, I usually forget to type them I get in such a hurry to get my thoughts out there and I don't take the time to type 'em right... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

Tim
"The_Sandman_454"
/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif '79 Suburban 4x4 454, 6" lift, 35x12.5s & '85 GMC S15 4x4

 

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Fortunately I never make tose kind of mstk beca m mine and my typgn fingers ar soo wel cord that it uust isn's a [smle]

Doug '97 TJ
Creator of the CBrack
My Web Site

 

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JEEPN,

Im not planning on giving up the hobby because some folks opinion differ from mine..

I simply wont to MAKE SURE Im not counted as what seems to be the "typical Jeeper" as defined by this BBS!!

My opinions are mostly different, back to the age thing probably..

Im closing on 30, maybe at CJDaves age Ill be more cynical?, Ive noticed the last few years making more and more intoloerant of lots of things, but Im still
pretty tolerant to peoples race/sexual orientation/income/education/shoe size/tire preference..etc

I didnt mean to offend any body, i just just read a post I found slightly offensive on a bad day for me!
one of those times I should have just assumed the best and let it go...

I cant control what I say to the wife? why could I control what I say on the BBS!?!?!

YES IM IN the DOGHOUSE!

OzarkJeep
NW Arkansas

 

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif Hey.....the doghouse can be cold this time of year. Come on out, and as you get older....maybe by the day after tomorrow, you'll begin to realize that perversion by any other name (sexual orientation) is still perversion; and that no matter how many times some Klintonoid democrat says Klintun didn't lie, it just isn't true; and that building housing tracts on prime farmland for greenie yuppies to live in is one hell of a lot worse than cutting down a tree./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif And the really BAD news is....are you ready....you ARE the typical Jeeper/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif as defined by this BBS. You just have a teensy bit more to learn about how people insert an ideology into a culture;..... first they remove truth. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

CJDave
I never believe any statistics unless my moonguys /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif made 'em up themselves.

 

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That's cool, I understand where you're coming from. I wasn't offended, just didn't want to see anyone leave the family.

I have the particularly tough days as well, "DAMN! Shoe leather for lunch AGAIN?" Ain't enough BBQ sauce in the world to make the meat up here tender, guess I'll have to switch to SPAM! BTW, anyone been to the SPAM website?

Living in Maine, one from away would think we eat lobster all the time. That's what non-Mainers are called, From Away, but the old timers say being born in Maine isn't good enough. To steal a quote (don't know from where) Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits. They believe the only true Mainer is one whose grandfather's grandfather was born in Maine. I argue they're really From Away because Maine became a state in 1820, before that it was part of Massachusetts, so they're not Mainers either./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif Truth is, lobster is higher than hell right now, and in the summer it doesn't taste as good due to the shedders. Also damn messy, real pain in the rear. I'd be willing to trade prime-melt-in-your-mouth-steak for lobster any day of the week. I still remember the steak. It was in southern Missouri, on December 22, 1986, a date that will live in infamy.

Damn, I gotta head west one of these days.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights

 

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I just wish that Orrin Hatch didn't have to drop out of the race. He kinda makes me want to move to Utah! Maybe I will anyway.
p.s. Can you still hunt groundhogs tomorrow?

 

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif Hey Mainer.....I was raised in a little cowboy town not far from here, and when I was a kid they still had cattle drives. The railroads hauled all the cattle in those days (trucks were still too dinky and roads too narrow) and the "rannies" would drive 'em by our place on the way to the hill pastures. All the ranches had gates so you could make the country road just one long closed-off corridor. If the cowboy ridin' drag was the right sort he would open the gates back up. If not, we had to do it when we came home from skool. Beef around here is such that if it isn't "perfect", we think we've been stepped on. I could take you down to our local mkt and you would not believe the rib-eye steaks. So tender you can hardly pick 'em up. But we still like lobster, and we think the folks in Maine are crazy to go out in those little boats; and we think of Maine as rocky coastline, no interior./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

CJDave
I never believe any statistics unless my moonguys /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif made 'em up themselves.

 

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Pretty good analogy of Maine. Hell of a lot of coastline. Unfortunately the drug runners also found this out. Hard to catch them due to the coves and shoals, but they still get caught occasionally. We'll have to make a deal, beef for lobster. Interested in some steamers as well? It's shrimp season now you know. I think those guys are crazy as well, won't catch me in a little boat on THIS ocean. Last week the waves were so high it crested on the road. You had to time your drive so you went between the waves. Being winter, the storms get violent. This one deposited a lot of seaweed on the roadway, someone with a snowplow just moved it of to the side. My brother used to dive for Sea Urchins, not in water 28 degrees, a rocking boat, and a wind chill of -50 degrees. He says the suit is sorta warm and he can make $3,000 in a day. Yeah, but he can only get out one day in three weeks due to the sea conditions.

Cool! The farmhouse we bought last year has 2 stone fences extending into the woods. Upon asking around, the house belonged to a farmer who built the stone walls to herd the cattle from field to field. Once they were in the sluce, they were set. He'd have the gate to the right field open and move them in. Would have liked to see that, but the fields are woods now and the house was built in 1815, so I'd be 200 years old now if I'd witnessed it. Ah, the memories of the way things once were.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights

 

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Wait up I want in on this. Now I personally believe that everyone's venting of political issues on this BBS in definately a good thing. Our sport is under constant attack from many sides and before we know it we'll all be legislated onto the interstate. I hope CJDave's and everyone else's ranting and ravings light a fire under people's a$$es to get them think about their own political views, write letters expressing their political views, and VOTING!!!. But know I need to express my views. I'm a bit younger then most of you and I realize that this some what changes my point of view on some issues but please hear me out. First off I beieve that if Thomas Jefferson could be brought to life to view the America of today he would shortly there after keel over and die. One of the things he feared the most was politcal parties and specifically the country becoming bogged down by bickering between two main parties. The biggest hinderance to American progress is the two party political system. Know personally I think the job of government is not to try to legislate morality and tell people what to do and what to think, but to provide for national defense, public education, public works i.e; roads, dams, ect., a stable national currency, and a court system to provide justice to those who bring actual harm to others. I also believe simply put that people have the right to persue happiness however they please as long as they don't hinder anyone else's right to do so. These are the reasons I am a card carrying member of the Libertarian party. I encourage everyone to take a moment to visit their website it's WWW.LP.ORG take a gander at the statement of principles if you agree keep looking if not feel free to send me nasty e mail about wasting your time with extremist crap. But please just a moment of your time. Anyway I'll write out my views on a few issues in case there is any one left who doesn't think I'm a nut.

Welfare: I have no problem with a chunk coming out of my paycheck everyweek to help people who have fallen on hard times, because I realize I could get hurt,loose my job, or somehow need a helping hand. But I have a real problem with my hard earned money going to someone who's too lazy to get a job and would rather make welfare a lifestyle.

Gays and Minorities: They have just as much right to persue happiness as I do but they should not get any preferential treatment. Afirmative Action is nothing but government sponsered racism. What happened to May the best man win?

As for Mr. McCain, Living in AZ I have had dealings with McCain and my conclusion is that among the major candidates he appears to be the lesser of evils. My biggest hope is that by being from the west he will be more sensible in his land use views. But he is after all a politician and wants me to register my guns and who knows what else he'll do once in office. It's a crap shoot. One thing that is a sure bet is anyone will be better than Klintler. JFK can't finish 4 years and Klintler lasts 8, go figure. Anyway I've vented long enough but please take a moment of your time to check out the Libretarian Party.
Happy Jeepin and Heil Klintler
Travis/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

If you're after my 2 cents you better have change for a nickel/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

 

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"Contempt prior to investigation will forever keep a man ignorant" keeping an open mind when viewing other opinions is hard to do if they are different from yours, but remember that everything changes: what's viewed correct(@good) today can become wrong(@bad) the next day.
ie....
-the world is flat (any idiot knows that)
-owning slaves is OK (thats hard for me to comprehend)
-what is the social acceptable age to have children? a couple generations ago you would have been called an old man.
-Wow thats a highly modified jeep, did you install that shifter knob yourself?
-"public land" don't mean land the public can use!
-thats not consisidered sexual relations either, (i think my wife would disagree)

3/4tonYJ
My Jeep Page

 

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AZJeeper,
Good post. The lesser of two evils is right. A few years ago I voted for Ross Perot, and he won in Maine. Unfortunately it's tantamount to the Jeep legend. Bantam got the contract and was screwed by being so small (this is a little basic, but you get the point), so it went to Willys. I agree with the Lib's, but due to the momentum, I don't think it'll happen. Sure, it would be great, but I think it's how Komrade Klinton got elected in the first place. Klinton, Bush, and Perot were all competing for the same slot. Perot took just enough of the votes away from Bush to allow Klinton to have the upper hand. Kinda sucks, I think either would have been better than Klinton. Re-election is easy, the spin doctors can make anyone come out looking like Mother Theresa.

As to your views, well, they're your views, so they can't be wrong. I happen to agree 100% with them and wish they worked that way. Wouldn't it be nice to actually have a system that works as designed?

As to the TJ rising from the dead, yep, he'd have a heart attack and die straight away. I have heard it described it this way: If you put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump right out. If you put a frog in cold water and turn up the heat to boiling, it'll allow itself to be cooked. I think we're all cooked. People don't like radical change, as a rule, but the slow changes are such that, if you remove time from the equation (here goes the Quantum Mechanics again), they become radical changes. How do we reverse the trend? The only way is by a slow change in the other direction. We could always have another Boston Tea party, but then we'd all be sued by the crunchy tree-huggers. Who am I voting for? No idea, yet. I have heard good and bad from both GOP candidates, but not enough to sway me either way.

I ALWAYS vote, but as a conspiracy theorist offer a dim view./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif I think the government controls all elections, not the people. They allow people to go through the motions of voting, but the numbers are never reported, or if they are, they're ignored. The government (or the Illuminati, a secret sect controlling the world), already has this election planned.

I have never heard of any Lib's candidates, but then I have not looked, either. If Jesse Ventura ran (I know he's Ind.), I think it'd be a landslide. He's smart though, gaining ground and a name as Governor, then steamrolling over everyone later. Hey, at least the guy speaks his mind. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see him as a politician, I see him as a frustrated citizen (as opposed to civilian) fed up with the current state of affairs. I know I am.

JEEPN
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled!
GM151/SM465/NP205/7" Lift/33" Swampers/D44's F&R 4.10's & Lockrights

 

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I have nothing aginst the Libretarian Party but the truth is they don't
have a snowball of a chance.
I was on of the guys that voted for Ross P and the truth is it was just
a wasted vote and gave less votes to the Rep.