You think they're crazy for making an SUV (Station-wagon Utility Vehicle) ride better??? WTF? It's a grocery-getter. It needs IRS. What GM is doing is making their "trucks" into rolling piles of plastic. Ford is still making SFA's.


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I thought this was a Chevy forum?

 

yea /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

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it's so the guys that drive the plastic trucks to go get groceries don't get door dings from grocery carts of the girls that drive the grocery-getting vehicles.

in other words, the trucks these days are lamermobiles too.

it ain't a truck unless you can hose it out.



"The difference between a yooper and a lowper is that a yooper oil change involves just changing the filter whereas a lowper oil change involves just changing the oil."

 

i could be wrong but i think chevy invented the independent front suspension. so ford beat em to the rear. the way things are going, chevy won't be far behind.
*EDIT*
2001, saying he doesn't belong here doesn't void the point he made.

Marriage is like a skin graft, it may or may not take.

 

i think IFS was created by GM also, remember when the 4wd S10's came out? IRS is/was supposed to come out this year on GM pickups.

i ain't been picking on nobody about belonging nowhere. i imagine you picked the wrong person to reply to. oh well.

"The difference between a yooper and a lowper is that a yooper oil change involves just changing the filter whereas a lowper oil change involves just changing the oil."

 

Actually IFS and FWD have both been with us since the 1940s or there abouts. Certainly not with the current batch or previous batches of the trucks...

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IFS and IRS have been successfully implemented in various vehicles *VERY* well. Dune buggies, some racing trucks, etc. Although these aren't designed like that (ours and the phords) you can't make a blanket statement that IFS and IRS are bad. Implemented properly they rock in some situations (desert/dune runnin, etc)...

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wrath, dreamer wasn't talking to you, thats why he wrote this:
2001, saying he doesn't belong here doesn't void the point he made.
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2001=partial username of the person that was directed to

 

independently suspended drive wheels have been around forever, but i don't think they've been on trucks forever.

properly implemented a fully independent suspended vehicle will blow the doors off anything with solid axles. if GM had another four inches of travel i think people would complain less about it.

i know my plan is to build a fully independent suspended vehicle (i think it'd be funny to do it on a 73-87). i've got it mostly figured out, i just don't know how to find a simple shock absorber/spring solution. works or showa coilovers would be the simple solution, but that's a lot of money. without the right geometry you couldn't use regular coil springs and shocks because you wouldn't have enough travel (i'm looking for 10-16" total).

think about it, with 5-8" of sag you can clear anything with 35" tires that your friend can with his 40" tires and his 14FF and dana 60. and since no matter what you'll probably have preload adjustable shocks, you can raise your ride height when you want to hit the dirt. the rest of the time you can have the sag so you can have the ride of a lexus.

"The difference between a yooper and a lowper is that a yooper oil change involves just changing the filter whereas a lowper oil change involves just changing the oil."

 

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NO-O-O-O-OT!!! There were horse-drawn carriages in the Middle Ages /wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif (if not in the Holy Roman Empire /wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif) with independent front suspension! /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

The only things I can think of that GM can truly take credit for are:
- plastic car bodies like the Corvette & Fiero /wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif
- side-terminal batteries /wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif
- Torx /wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif
Am I missing anything of significance? /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

**I dunno why I wrote that $#!T. I guess it's because I'm bored. Don't anyone take it seriously or personally - it's all in fun.**


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I meant it to be here, Ford bashing
They can be credited for........ Nice pillow ride?
I think IFS is good. And I do know IRS can be could if done right, but we all know it wont be capable of 38"+ tires...
And the Corvette ain't plastic its Fiberglass.

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And whats wrong with a Torx head bolt? I love em, no rounding off.

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duh jason, cuz there's always one in the middle of some project that you dont have the right bit for and no store within 50 miles sells it either/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

as far as i can tell, GM also appears to have invented the poser

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Lol, your right on the poser part. I bought a set from 1/8" through 1/2" 3/8 drive torx sockets from autozone about a year ago on sale for a buck/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif. I have always had the right one so far/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif.

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Nah, GM didn't invent the poser....but the GM forum seems to have drawn a couple of 'em in...from other forums.

Hey, how about that twin I beam suspension...now there was a marvel of modern technology./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

 

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Or how about the Twin Traction Beam (TTB) front axle? Now that would have been an excellent design for desert racing if they had actually put some effort in to making it durable... but as far as I can tell, it pretty much sucks.

'78 Chevy Blazer, not so beaten anymore/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif.
'61 Willys Utility Wagon, on the comeback trail/wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif.

 

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actually, i don't like the ford trannys. dodge too. they seem so mushy. like it's broken already right from the factory. they're lack of horsepower and torque doesn't help it much either.
the only fords i like are the '56 era (like '51 - '56 i think). maybe a '58. i wouldn't mind a restored one. but almost all of em only have a ford body and rearend. maybe a mustang front end. but i can hardly find one that doesn't have a chevy engine and tranny pushing it. oh well. at least y'all made a fine body at one time.

Marriage is like a skin graft, it may or may not take.

 

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aw man! muddybronc, you have got to be kidding! poser? ferd came out with this nasty looking new flareside in the early '90s./wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif a sports cereal box on wheels! lol!/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif and the pink berry color!/wwwthreads_images/icons/blush.gif ha haaa!/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif what posers!

Marriage is like a skin graft, it may or may not take.

 

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Hey '72, one of my friends is in the process of restoring a truck just like that. Last I saw it they were sprayin on the final coat of primer and stuff and sanding it down getting read to paint it. They've got it on a camaro chasis. chevy all the way except for the body. I'll find some time to go down to their garage one of these days and have a look at it and maybe get some pics of it. I think he said he painted it....blue maybe.

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Well well well....I am a lover of IFS. No doubt. That nice solid axle neck snapping ride of for the morons. I'll take my IFS and 14" of travel and day of the week. The guys who really brought it up to speed was VW. Where do you think 935 cv's came from?? I have them, and I am in the process of getting longer axles made, with the beefier CV's used in them. I am also making extended arms, 3" wider per side. My truck will sit a little higher, but not alot, and still run 35's with glass.

As far as the whole Ford I beam and TTB....Look at the 24" travel guys, and how much the spend compared to A-arms. Much more travel, and easier to deal with, less hassle, easier design.

Nobody makes a decent auto tranny except the c-4, and turbo 400. Neither have OD. Put a big block to a 700-r4 or a C-6, and you can pretty much watch the clutchpaks melt. Chevy does do one thing well, or did. The 350 is no doubt the best motor ever made. Parts are plentiful design is easy, and the will run forever, and can be swapped into just about anything. You see them in every other car, truck, etc, but nobody swaps a ford motor into a chevy body, but how many 30's-50's Ford Hot Rods have 350's in them? I'll get off my soapbox now....

Ryno

 

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Isnt the C-6 the heavy duty Ford model? (Not that anything Ford ever made was really ever heavy-duty.....)

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sounds pretty cool bigblue. i wouldn't mind seeing those pix.

yet another ferd with the heart of a champion. by way of transplant that is.

Marriage is like a skin graft, it may or may not take.

 

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You are right Kendog454, that's why 75% of competitors at the local mud races run FORD trucks... no chevy junk there. If you dont think a 460/c6/np205/d60/d60 is strong then you are nuts. Ever heard of Bigfoot? Yeah, he runs a big ford motor and C6 tranny and has done quite well for himself. Hmm, as I sit here i look to my right and see a 79 ford on the cover of 4x4 power and to the left i see the same on the cover of four wheeler, it's not a coincidence... 70's model fords are the best trucks ever put on the face of the earth. And none of the 3 truck mfgrs can make an auto tranny worth a flip any more, that's common knowledge. I'd love to restore an old truck cuz nobody seems to make a truck that will take a beating off road any more... 77 bronco, mmmmm. summer project maybe? /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

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i don't know about marvel, but it certainly is a marvel that it works.

"The difference between a yooper and a lowper is that a yooper oil change involves just changing the filter whereas a lowper oil change involves just changing the oil."

 

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i don't know what a flord twin-traction beam is nor do i know what a i beam whatever is.

by any chance is it similar to independent swingarms in the rear and dual a-arms in the front?

"The difference between a yooper and a lowper is that a yooper oil change involves just changing the filter whereas a lowper oil change involves just changing the oil."