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I just sold my 88 YJ 2 weeks ago to a kid in my town. It had a new motor, tranny transfer, lift, 31" Bfgs...I basically rebuilt the thing and never had any trouble. I bought it with a locker in the rear. I just get a phone call from the kid and his father demanding there money back because the rear end blew...they took it to 2 mechanics and both said everything was shot ($1700 worth of damage)..oh yeah, they drove it to the mechanics..Now they are saying this is my fault for this, I knew about the problem and sold it like that, I just changed the fluid a few weeks back and it was fine, no metal, the right color, and everyting in there looked fine.....what should I do, who knows what the kid was dong to it the 2 weeks he had it. I am having it towed to a local jeep dealer to have looked at and diagnoses...this is a real headache...

 
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why are you having it towed ? do you have posession of the title now? you are not responsible for the condition of the vehicle anymore. you may feel bad but you know the as-is rule of a used car unless you are a dealer? don't mess with it!
let go of it and leave them alone!
there is nothing they can do to you on this.
they took a risk just as anyone does when purchasing anything used.
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Ease up on yourself Jimbo, if you sold it to them, they have title, then it's their problem, especially after two weeks! As a fellow jeeper, it would be noble of you to help them out, but the financial responsibility is not yours. I had a similar experience when selling my CJ5 - saw the guy a month later and he informed me the whole front end was shot - hey, it was working when I sold it, and it IS a USED vehicle. I appologized for the inconvenience and said "goodbye"

Keep on Jeepin'
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Ok here it is in a nutshell tell them that it left the driveway in good working order and not my fault do not offer any help to pay for if he wants your advice give it to him. But do not tow it offer any money back because you do not own it and i would just say they need to cut their losses and go. Tell them to stop bugging you..
Lets put a something similar to help you out you buy a used computer and you get it home you play with it for two weeks and load all kinds of stuff up on it and mess it all up get a virus and the whole thing just crashes..
1)do you give them their money back for something that they messed up?
2)do you fix it for free?
3)was it used?
4)they bought it as is ......
up to you man but i would just tell them i am sorry but their is nothing i can do for you..

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I wouldn't volunteer to have this jeep towed. What would you expect If you bought a used Jeep. If the front end went out would you contact the seller. One can expect this things when buying used autos. They could have checked the Jeep out before they bought it. Good Luck

 

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I agree. In Maine there is a 48 hour rule. You can reverse a sale if not more than 48 hours has passed. For instance, you go to a used car dealership and buy a car on Saturday. On Sunday it breaks. On Monday you can return the car for ALL your money back IF the problem was hidden, pre-existing, etc. You have NO obligation to these people at all and I would refuse to deal with them. After 2 weeks I could trash a jeep so it'd need $1,700 worth of parts as well. Sorry but a used vehicle is used, end of story.

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Like everyone else said, don't pay for anything...don't have it towed anywhere to have anything looked at. It's their problem, not yours. You have no control over what the kid did with the Jeep in a two week period. I have a buddy who blew the Dana 35 rear out of his BRAND NEW '91 YJ after about 2-3 weeks because he had been doing neutral drops with the thing...you just never know. If you feel that you must do something, help them locate a used replacement for a fraction of the price that they've been quoted.
You bought it, you broke it, buh-bye...

 

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My 88 YJ broke down 6hrs. after I bought it. The guy I bought it from paid to have it towed. Even though it was appreciated, it wasn't his resposibility since I had the title and bought it as is. I new this when I purchased it, and even though I had to fork over a paycheck for the repairs, I accepted it. It is now out of your hands. It is their problem now, especially after two weeks.
"As is" means "as is". No implied warranties on sales between individuals unless stated otherwise in writing. The son most likely is inexperienced with the Jeep and blew the rear screwing around and told his dad that it just happened while driving to a friends house. He probably tried to take it off road and ripped the thing to hell. Not your fault. I'm rambling.
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/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif Somebody should have told that father LONG AGO that when you are at the hospital and your wife grunts out that little baby, and you look at it and it has a periscope sticking up.....VISUALIZE WRECKED CARS! And blown transmissions....and blown rear ends....and anything that can happen to a vehicle that would NEVER happen if you yourself were driving, no matter how many miles you took it. Tell that guy to "cowboy up"; tell him to pay the bill; and then tell him to start saving up for Junior's next Jeep disaster./wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif

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On everything I sell, I offer a taillight warrenty. When I cannot see your taillights that the end of the warrenty. If they wanted a warrenty jack the price a couple thousand like dealers so. Even dealers only sell used as " AS IS ONLY" Becareful with the towing, if you tow it could be use as you accepting responsility. Do like the M&M comercial " Blue no live here, go away"

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Unless your state is one of the strange ones, you sold the vehicle 'AS IS' with no warranty expressed or implied.
(I put that right on my bills of sale now...)
The kid was out doing reverse drops and trashed the diff... (only way to kill a locker)
Not your fault.
Tell them, (Don't ASK them) not to call you any more.
If they take you to small claims, any judge will hold up your side in a second.
If they get a lawyer, he will tell them the same thing....

If you participate in repairs, they can stick you with the ENTIRE REPAIR BILL...
You are as good as admitting guilt.

WALK AWAY NOW, BEFORE YOU IMPLICATE YOURSELF FURTHER...

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THANKS FOR THE HELP...I LIVE IN MASS SO I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR 30 DAYS BUT HE HAS TO PROVE THAT IT WAS FAULTY WHEN HE BOUGHT IT...HOW DO YOU DO THAT?? HIS KID TOOK IT TO A MECHANIC AND SAID THE JEEP WAS PERFECT BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT, AND IT WAS. I AM HAVING IT CHECKED OUT FOR MY PIECE OF MIND,(AND A FRIEND OF MINE WHO DEALS IN USED CARS TOLD ME TO DO IT INCASE IT GOES TO COURT) BUT HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT ADMIT TO ANYTHING...S**T HAPPENS. I HAVE BEEN BUILDING CARS, HOTRODS, TRUCKS AND JEEPS SINCE I WAS 14, AND STUFF BREAKS WITH NO EXPLANIATION OF IT. JUST DONT WANT TO GO TO COART AND DEAL WITH IT..IN MASS THERE IS NO "AS IS" ...THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP...

 
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I think the father should realize that he just bought a 12 year old jeep. Its not new, its not bought from a dealer, it did not come with a warrenty and yes bad things happen to good people.

I read a quote on this BBS that fits the bill. "Good things come to those who do research" I hope I got that right. If he would have done some he would of found out that jeeps are high maintenance vehical.

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I think it is great that you are concerned about this. I think it shows true trail spirit. However this can, and will, be taken advantage of. I hope you listen to all the advice you're given here, especially TEAMRUSH's. Paying for the towing may be misconstrued as being responsible. Some people might use this as an admission of guilt. You need to make clear that owning a 12 year old Jeep is more maintenance then a normal car due to the abuse it endures. And a teen can abuse more then normal driving conditions.
If they keep pushing you and guilting you to pay, like TEAMRUSH said, tell them not to contact you, and that you will take further contact as harassment and follow appropriate action.

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How is it you are responsible for 30 days? If you check further I think it might only apply to used car dealerships, not private sales, but I could be wrong. How could there be no "AS IS" in Mass, the state is so filled with a$$holes everyone'd be dead by now and there would be no private commerce. (No offense, my whole family (aunts, uncles, grandparents on both sides, cousins, etc) is from Mass, we used to summer there as kids.)

If there is a true need, take it to a mechanic and have them look at the rear end for a determination. If they had it checked out by their own mechanic, how can they come back to you? If their mechanic "missed" a potential problem, it's not your fault, especially if you didn't know about it. Don't give in to anything, don't have it towed, and don't replace anything unless court ordered to do so. If it does go to court, the mechanics will be the witnesses in your defense. I don't know how it is down there, but up here in Maine if you take someone to small claims court the loser also has to pay the court costs (usually $65), but in your case I don't see how you could lose.

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HIS KID TOOK IT TO A MECHANIC AND SAID THE JEEP WAS PERFECT BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT.....
Then it's his (or his mechanic's) problem, end of discussion. The most you should do, only if you really want to, as a favor to a fellow jeeper, is to offer to help him install replacement parts that he pays for.

When I bought my CJ5 it was almost out of gas. I stopped at a filling station less than a mile from the seller's house on the way home and filled the tank, only to have gas pour out of the tank all over the ground. I just gulped, crossed my fingers, started up, and headed on home.

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I stand corrected! Wow...

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif I really hate selling used vehicles....it's such a basket of snakes unless it's to a dealer. I even GAVE a vehicle away once and they would call me every other day about this, or that, and wanting me to basically maintain it for them for free.SHEESH! I should have fed it to the crusher, and the thing about it was that it was a PERFECT GM 3/4T pickup...a 350 with the very best of everything in it. They had NO IDEA what they even had/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif The consuming public is a nasty viper, waiting to take advantage of you. I want absolutely NO part of consumer sales./wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif

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I bought an '83 Cj-7 for my first car. The guy I bought it from is a mechanic and said he would help me fix anything that was wrong, as long as I paid. When we bought it, we drew up a contract that said if it didn't pass emmissions, I didn't own it. It took 5 trips and 3 mothballs to pass, but its mine.
If I were you I would just say, "You're kid broke it, not my problem. If you need any help I'm here." The Jeep owner thing is to offer help, not money.
I drive the crap out of mine, and I have found that a 17 year old Jeep is not a great first car. I have a list of $2k worth of stuff I want for it, and a wallet with $2.

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