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I've done some more testing on the SOA. The more I drive it the more I like it. Great flex on both axles, maxing out the shocks but got pretty good axle wrap in the rear. Pinion flenge moves up about 2" upon hard acceleration. So... I only have 5 leafs in the back that have about 2.5" of lift. I've heard others using the JC Whitney HD 6 leaf spring packs with good results. Would that cure the amount of wrap I have? I also heard that the HD CJ spring from JCW is 7 leafs but would that work on a YJ ?
Now the other solution is to fab up some traction bar system. Did anybody do that on a Ford 8.8 rear end? Should it be attached to the tubes or to the diff housing?
All ideas are welcome so let's have'em! /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif


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I did the JP magazine fix for axle wrap, it helped, but DID NOT eliminate it. I built a t-bar (like the one from Sams) that WILL eliminate axle wrap due to the design. I used some shock mount tabs, one off the bottom, and one of the top of the pumpkin. I had rod ends laying around so I used them, plu it is now adjustable from 33-37" and I can adjust the shackle end height if anything gets changed in the back. It cost about 8.00 worth on sch. 80 about 2 hours and I think the rod ends are about 25 a piece, but I only used them since I had them and wanted to be able to correct for pinion angle once the tub is on.

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Tibor- I had to run out before I had a chance to find this link.
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/ When I was going to put one on my CJ5 I aked on here for opinions, but also wanted to know why certain aids didn't work. The site above does pretty good on explaining it.

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A friend of mine used some modified "draw bars" from a local tractor supply (he says the whole assy. w/ heims is only $10). He made one that attaches on the top center of the pig. The other attaches to the drivers side tube via a bracket. I don't know what it was like before, BUT it really hooks up now!



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Your making me cry here munh.

That was beautiful.

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif Jaffer you poet... /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

A guy had a dream,
to get himself a Jeep,
He thought and he bought,
His name was Pete.

He wanted to wheel it,
And build it up right.
He dreamed while at work,
And while he slept at night.

"Spring-Over Axle",
he heard them all say.
"Flex like you dream of,
Only takes like a day."

So Pete, our hero,
Looked into it more.
'Axle wrap', it's called.
But what a ramp score!

Spring, springs,
and springs some more.
"Add-a-leafs, S10s, and
JC Whitney", they roar.

Welding and cutting,
to our hero, not fun.
"More money, more money",
And Pete's Jeep couldn't run.

His friends would go out,
And Jeep all day long,
With their spring under lifts,
"Real wheelin' day", their song.

Pete would stay home,
And work on his truck,
Caster, spring wrap,
Man, WTF?!?

Steering not right,
Tie rod's exposed.
"More money", they yell.
Another slap on the nose.

The moral of the story,
Quite easy to see,
4.5" Extreme.
Call up R.E.

Stay Spring under,
you will not regret.
Spring over axle
will lead you to debt.

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Here is a picture of the ones I made. They were bent control arms from a front wheel drive car. Got them at a frame shop for free. They don't limit travel (I ramped 1184 last time).

 

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I love you guys! /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif Where else could one get the emotional support needed for this hobby? And the poetic souls abound... /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif Nuf of that. So, I was thinking of fabbing a similar system like 3/4ton has but I was concerned about it attaching to the tubes. The Ford 8.8 is known to twist it's tubes sometimes so wouldn't this increase the chance for that? If I to attach it to the pig how would that be welded on? Hi Nic rods? I'm also trying to come up with something for the interim that will get me by at the Paragon run in 2 weeks. Not much time. I was thinking of using an extra leaf from my buddy's old 4" spring pack as a temporary help.


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Oh, come on Kutyafal /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif Have some fun. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif Sorry, I guess I'm not in a serious mood today. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

I imagine an added leaf would get you by for a while, as was said at the expense of some flex. A full-lengh leaf would help best, I imagine.

Good luck!
Pete

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Gad, Pete, that was priceless!! /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

OK, Tibor ... serious now ...
Go to the POR site http://www.pirate4x4.com Bulletin Boards/General 4X4 Discussion/ ... and look for a recent mile long thread that starts "God of Suspension ..."
If there is a 'best soulution' out there ... that's where you'll find it...
Good luck! /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

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Yeah Jaffer, your right. My buds doesn't flex at all with the trac bars/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif, but there's _no_ axle wrap. Probably used Photoshop to doctor the pic. Maybe I'll convert back to SUA.



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I have one full length aal on my SOA and as you saw it flexes pretty good and rides much better than any sua I've rode in.I've had no axle wrap even with my 350/nv4500 combo.88YJ needs to look at a SOA done right then look at then decide if it is worth the 1200.00 I spent on it including SYE kit and a CV driveshaft.rh

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Hey Rock-Hog. Pictures of your rig? I'm thinking of doing the one leaf for now so I won't break anything right away. How are the clamps attached to the springs usually? I have two clamps fore and aft on each spring pack. Are they riveted to the bottom leaf? I'd like to know before I'm opening things up. Here's a pic: http://webphotos.com/member/7612/247558.JPG


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hey man, i gotta be honest with you i made a bar just like sam's with the stock track bars, but i put that on the 12 bolt i fist swapped when i went to the 14 bolt i had just read the jp article, so i tried that. i got about 1.5 " more of lift and it rides well, the only limiting factor with the flex i've seen so far is the shocks, i've broken two rancho's on the front, but if it wraps i cant tell when i air the boggers down to about 10 psi, on the asphalt i can lift the front tires off the ground in second with the 205 in low now i only run a 3.73 rear so i don't have a huge crawl ratio but if it'll lift the front off the ground then that tells me its workin, anyway the sam's nock off bar worked and didnt seem to hinder flex, but for now i see no reason to put it on. soggysod

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Hey soggy, slow down a little! /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif You only had like two periods in the hole paragraph! /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif Anyway, what exactly do you mean about the JP article? What was in it? So you made the Sam's style traction bar but what are you using now? Extra leafs? Thanks man and watch that coffee. /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif


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mine is identical to 3/4tonyj's and it works well..
i have had 2 problems though...
1. i over flexed it last time out and then gunned it hard trying to get up a ledge. it flexed far enough where the shackle in the front bottomed out and the entire axle got shifted, almost tore right out..it dragged the spring plates over the centering pins in the springs... i was wondering why it was so hard to drive straight
2. i have torn the mount off the skid pan... coulda been chaulked up to poor welding....
kuty...............this paragraph has enough...... periods for all of the......posts in this thread........

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The JP article that many of have referred to and tried is the following procedure;
1- get another set of YJ springs and disassemble,
2- take the main leaf and cut the eyes of each end,
3- insert this leaf between your main and second leaf of the packs you are using,
4- take the second leaf from the donor pack, and put this on top of your current main leaf,
5- rebend the spring clamps back down
I did it using some cut down Wagoneer springs so I could run the long side up front (offset centering pin)in hopes to get even more control, the system helped, but didn't totally eliminate it.

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Thanks for the JP info. I have an old 4" lift pack from my buddy so I'll use the full length leaf that's under the main leaf from it and see how it works. It doesn't have to be perfect for now just as long as it helps a little. Which issue of JP was this article in? Any chance of a copy or fax of this from somebody? Thanks.


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