if you gave him $$ and left with stuff, you pretty much got what your gonna get.

not to be harsh, it sounds like he isnt acting straight up.

BUT without a bill of sale, or a contract or somthing, cash=what you walked away with.

 

Forget about the parts and forget about your friend. Sorry, but these people never change.

 

It just proves he is not a friend, me and my true friend have no money issues, he is just a piece of doo. His will come around some day. The windshield is what kills me, i need that bad...
I'll post some pics of the 48, spring over with wrangler springs.

 

I'd bring it to his attention anyway. Make him squirm and then let him know he lied to you, lay the guilt on him.

 

It's not about the guilt, it's about giving the person the chance to do the right thing. From what you've said, guilt is probably the only way you'll get him to do the RIGHT thing. If you had a handshake deal, where I come from that still means something.

If he decides not to do the right thing, walk away, write off the parts and the "friend". You'll lose less sleep that way.

 

-snip-well in last weeks Uncle Henrys the SCUM BAG is selling all these items in the antique section, not the jeep section.-snip-

Have someone close to you respond to the ad (call) and arrange a time/place to "take a look a the windsheild". Go there with a few of your real friends and get what you already paid for. That's the way I'd deal with it.

 

I think WC has a good idea. Once you can see the stuff and confront him on the lie, tell him you're now going to take the stuff and dare him to do something about it?

 

tell him you're now going to take the stuff and dare him to do something about it?
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That is when ego's get going and fists start flying. I saw a guy come close to getting his head bashed in with a wheel rim and the cops showing up ... over a go-cart. The guy showed up and started taking what he though was his. Not the smartest thing to do. Just let him know that you saw the add and if he wants to make things right ... great but if he wants to be an A$$ hole about it fine. Don't turn it into something bigger than it is. It's not worth going to jail for or getting killed.

 

I agree with Brad, just walk away from it if he does not want to make it right. Life is too short. Think of the consequences if something happened and then your name and integrity would be smeared through out the papers and such. Your family lives with the humiliation and you live with it, over what, pieces of tin.

If you are here on this board, you are another man amoung men. Walk away from it.

 

IMO, this is one of the reasons there are so many people getting ripped off, the victims become so complacent that the rip-off's think they can do anything they what. It's BS !!! . If you confront him while the parts are right there, what can he say? If you think you need help, have the cops meet you there, it's better you call them then him anyway. Bottom line, your right, he's wrong!!!!!

 

What is the Police going to do? There is nothing that says these things belong to Mike. Maybe the fact that the police go with him to confront the seller might scare him into giving it over, but I would bet that if the seller is trying to screw Mike over now, the seller will lie about it anyway to the police.

My statement is to not get into physical confrontation with the seller! There is a lot better avenues to go down. If the police are called on the incident by the seller, Mike is on the others property making him (Mike) look as the agressor. Mike will end up with-out the items and a legal bill, maybe with his name in the paper making him look like the bad guy!

 

I agree 100% with W.C. , what i will do is call him and bring it to his attention, he owns his own performance shop so he wants to protect his reputation, what he has left... He is just the type of person that is never wrong & just knows it all. This is his way of getting back at me for not selling the jeep back to him. I won't push it, but i will be stearn and get the point across, he also knows i know a real lot of people who deal with him. I'll post the out come if i don't loose it on him....
Thanks, Mike

 

I'd just talk to him. Keep a level serious tone ( low-not angry - just matter of fact) and just simply say "I see that you're selling those items that you sold me and I paid for. I'd really like you to give me what you sold me." Keep it civil and don't let your emotions on the matter run the show. Give him nothing to react to except his own "darkness". If nothing else he'll feel like crap and you never know ...he might just not be able to cope with the guilt. On the otherhand if you stomp and carry on like a digrunted customer at WallMart ...he has that confrontation to lift the burden of guilt (distract his conscience) from him.


I usually tend to agree that "A bargain made is a bargain made" type thing. I have, however, seen the shrewd antique collector seeing an elderly widow in need and "capitalizing" on that need and ignorance. That is, offering $100 for a $3000 item. In this case it's not a find ...it was IMHO ..a con. There's nothing wrong with paying below market value for something ...it's another where you downright take advantage of ignorance.

Many don't believe in that distinction ....and I don't fault them for having such an attitude ...it's just not for me. In this neck of the woods (near Berks county PA home of the PA dutchman) ...it a cultural imparitive. If you pay one dime more than you have to for something ...it's a crime against nature ..regardless of the profit or situation.


So ...as far as being "right" ..you definitely have it on your side. If, however, you perhaps feel that you "took advantage" of this individual ...I would perhaps rethink my disposition toward him ....and even perhaps offer him some consolation to allow him to become honest. Athough his actions would not be considered those that a "friend" would do ......would a true friend (you) say to another true friend "I'll pay you $50 for the stuff" ..knowing that he could get $350 for it? That is, would you have not been a better friend to say "You could get more for it from other people ....all that I can afford to give you is $$$xxx.xx". If he was a good friend ... wouldn't you want him to profit in all aspects of his life ...including the sale of those items?

So ..from that stand point ...neither of you have clear title to being .."good friends" to each other. That is, the "friend" part of your complaint is nada. You can, however, cry victim in a business deal gone sour.

 

*What is the Police going to do? There is nothing that says these things belong to Mike. Maybe the fact that the police go with him to confront the seller might scare him into giving it over, but I would bet that if the seller is trying to screw Mike over now, the seller will lie about it anyway to the police.*

You anwsered your own guestion. But also if he does not hand over the parts, it will be recorded in a police report, which may be of some use in court if it comes to that and keep the confrontation non-violent. Remember, Police are on the victim's side and have a very good sence of seeing through a rip-off's BS after they hear both party's side of the story.

*My statement is to not get into physical confrontation with the seller! There is a lot better avenues to go down. If the police are called on the incident by the seller, Mike is on the others property making him (Mike) look as the agressor. Mike will end up with-out the items and a legal bill, maybe with his name in the paper making him look like the bad guy! *

I already suggested in my 2nd post that Mike call the police frist to meet him there, didn't I?

 

You've got some very good advice already, so here's my two cents worth.

1. Never buy from a friend.
2. Never buy from a relative.
3. Being a "Man" doesn't mean you have to barge in and demand, and take "what's yours." Don't let testrone get in the way of your brain.
4. It does mean you have a right to defend the original agreement.
5. It does mean you have to act in a civil manner or you will suffer the concequences.
6. It does mean you should solve the problem at the lowest level possible.
7. It does mean you should listen to his side of the "deal." He may look at it differently... That's translated "differently" as most agreements of this type are ambagious.
8. Make darn good and sure your hands are squeeky clean in this deal before you act. As example if you agreed to pay him "X" amount, make sure that amount was paid, etc.
9. If you still can't come to a mutual agreement... then as my daddy used to say;
10. Get a Lawyer!
11. You need a lawyer to find out just what an "Oral Contract" is worth in your State and how to recover the goods or damages.
12. If you think you can ruin his requtation or business by "spreading the word" you're sorely underestimating his reputation and overestimating you're ability to hurt it.

Think darn hard before you act...

In any case you've likely just lost a "friend." Be more wary of who you pick as friends in the future.

 

Sorry but I see this from a different perspective.

In the original post, it said the price was cheap because, "he lost intrest in the projects, just take them out of here type." Furthermore it said, "i bought a 48 willys in pieces and a 53 High hood with the front axle out on the spot a year ago." and then "I got 95% of the 48 and went back this spring for the 53."

If I had given you a good price just to get something out of my way in September, you would have gotten nothing the following spring. Not without paying a huge storage bill anyway. It sounds to me like your friend bent over backwards to store the '53 for 6 to 9 months for you and then you still didn't pick up all the parts while you were there? You didn't hold up your end of the bargain to get it out of there, and remember you said yourself, "deal is a deal."

I can't tell you what a judge would say, but unless you had made specific arrangements, I'd look at it as anything left even after your second trip was abandoned and that you had taken all you wanted.

 

I completely see and agree with CJ7Tax's point, I didn''t read that part i guess. It's been to long now.

 

Performance shop? E-mail me at jeepn@gwi.net and let me know who it is, just curious. I don't want to get into anything with anyone, and like to avoid stuff like this if I can help it.

 

Nope sorry Taz and W.C. ,he would not let me in his back yard during the winter, he had fill brought in and dumped between his house and garage. He asked if i could come back in the spring to avoid leaving ruts, his back yard was real wet, it was November at this time. When i picked up the 53 and the remaing parts i requested the glass that he previously told me was upstairs in his garage, now he tells me he "lost it".Should have gotten a clue then, when i stopped 3 weeks after this he asked if i was ready to sell the 48 back to him, i declined again. I have not talked to him yet, but i will.... This 48 was in a million pieces with parts in coffee cans filled with water, motor in pieces, these jeeps sat for 6 years in this shape. The 48 was on the road previously, so yes he lost interest. Both jeeps where going into Uncle Henrys that thursday, i picked up the 48 and parts the day before. Yes it was a good deal, as i told my father he would be calling me after it hit the classified ads. I'm sure people asked the condition and made comments like good deal or that was too cheap, thats when he probably realized what he had. He put the price on it, i just paid for it, if it wasn't me it would have been someone else........

 

I think you should call him, as others have suggested, and try to work it out. If it turns out it's not possible to work the original deal, then find you a person to call and buy the parts he has for sell. Even if you pay a decent amount for the rest of the parts, you're still ahead. With the price of the jeep, and a new LIFE lesson.

Oh... and I never say, don't sell to a friend. You just gotta know the friend you are sellin to.