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#1 ·
I have an 85 Bronco with a bent frame, but the body is good. I was planning on swapping in F-350 springs and axles, so I figures I might as well just find a goog frame to hang the axles on and swap the body. And I have a couple of questions.
1. What year Bronco frames are the same as an 85
2. Will a f-350 10.25 and springs bolt right up to the frame
3. About how much lift will stock f-350 springs lift up my truck with a dana 60 front and ford 10.25 rear
Sorry bout the lenght Thanks
 
#8 ·
I'm not sure anyone can answer that question, since your are looking at a lot of custom work. The spring itself is obviously much more heavy duty, so you can guess at 3", but the rest depends on what your Bronco will be outfitted with affecting its weight. I think safe to say it won't ride real well, i.e. heavy duty suspension, too light a vehicle. that is of course unless you are planning some major tires and a lot of add ons to your Bronco.
 
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#9 ·
Actually my buddy has a 6"skyjacker lift for an F-350 that he said he would sell cheap, so I might try them. I plan on putting on bumpers that resembles the Ruenel bumpers and running 38's-40's? so I think those may help the ride.

Anyone see any problems with my plan or any suggestions.

Thanks
 
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#12 ·
Burned, no offense but I think you're speaking from limited experience. The 10.25 could have come with a normal 1330 (5-1203X), Ford x-over (5-1204X), or a 1350. Mine came w/a 1350 and I use a 5-648X which is a 1330 to 1350 x-over. It all depends upon model year, engine (oil burners are obviously more likely to get bigger joints), and what Ford had lying around at the time. Obviously you can always swap yokes...........
 
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#13 ·
1. Well '80-'91 sounds right but personally I'd avoid '80 and some '81 frames, they had strange holes in the rear of the frame, which can't help strength over time:
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2. Yes, an F250/350 10.25 & springs will bolt right up, I've done it. Spring length eye-to-eye is the same, as is center pin location.

3. It is hard to say exactly. First off, how are you gonna mount the front leafs? Exactly like an F350 w/the shackle up front? If so I'd guess approx 3-4" lift. At least some of the F350s came with a 5/16" "block" up front. It's not totally a block because it's anchored to the springs thru the center pin. Obviously 5/16" isn't much to work with but it is something.

For the rear, F350s got different spring packs depending upon year and GVWR. Some packs are nothing more than Bronco packs w/a thicker overload leaf at the bottom. Some have several more leafs. Generally speaking I'd guess 2-3" lift. Keep in mind most F350 4x4s appear to sit higher because Ford used 4" blocks in the rear.
 
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#16 ·
I heard that an 87-91 Dana 60 from a F-350 will pretty much bolt up, if I use all the hardware off the F350, is this true? And what about the steering how would I go about that? use the parts off my truck or use all the parts off the F350
 
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#17 ·
Pretty much D60 SAS now

Any '86 thru '97 D60 front will pretty much bolt in. The thing is you'll have to notch your framerails and use the stupid stock front shackles. They're a dumb "A" design, making them unstable IMO. I believe this is why Ford used track bars on these trucks but did not use them '78/9 F250s and 350s where the "H" shackle was at the rear of the spring. Here's the lame setup:

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Steering is direct bolt-in. Steering boxes are the same and in the same location.
 
#21 ·
Re: Pretty much D60 SAS now

If you have more money than you have time or fabrication skills, investigate the ORU shackle reversal kit. It's expensive for what you get, but it should make swapping a D60 into a Bronco easier. Even if you dont buy it, examine how it bolts the springs up and you'll see that if you do something similar to their kit, you wont have to bother with those funky shackles Shilo mentioned or notch your frame. Also, you shouldnt need that tracbar which is one of the reasons that I like leaf sprung setups in the first place.
 
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#23 ·
Re: Pretty much D60 SAS now

My boss is a very good welder and fabricator, so could I have him make up basically the same kit as ORU and be fine?
So the ORU kit (or one made the same) bolt right up to the frame and I would not have to notch the frame rails for the shackles, am I right, and it would be better than having the A shackles. Also what would I use for for the rear shackles if I didn't buy the kit, could I make ones or is there another application that uses the one that are with the kit? Also would I need to fab up a trac bar or would I be fine?
Sorry abou the lenght and questions, but I just want to get it right the first time
 
#24 ·
Re: Pretty much D60 SAS now

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So the ORU kit (or one made the same) bolt right up to the frame and I would not have to notch the frame rails for the shackles, am I right, and it would be better than having the A shackles.

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Well you wouldn't have to notch the frame, but you would have to box it to accommodate the crossmember. Yes that would be better then A shackles.

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Also what would I use for for the rear shackles if I didn't buy the kit, could I make ones or is there another application that uses the one that are with the kit? Also would I need to fab up a trac bar or would I be fine?

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Not sure about which shackle hanger you would use for the rear shackles, but a rear shackle hanger off the rearend of a 250/350 would probably work and that would give you an H shackle. Can anyone back this up (Muddy/Norm/Shilo)? Might have to box it again at the rear shackle location for some added strength. As long as your using H shackles you wouldn't need a trac bar.
 
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#25 ·
Re: Pretty much D60 SAS now

Yeah, you could certainly build something like the ORU kit but a crossmember is really not required. You can just box the framerails and mount some leaf hangers of your choosing, you'll have to widen the frame when you box it or run some quality tubing 'cause your hanger's gonna be 3" wide (unless custom) and the frame's only about 2" wide. Here's an example:

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For the rear of the front spring it's easiest to use the stock hanger from an '80ish+ F250/350. You'll have to cut the hanger a bit on the bottom to move your pivot hole up (this is what the ORU kit does too). You can just use a stock shackle from the rear springs of any Ford pickup. Here's another example:

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Depending upon where you place the front hanger and the length of your springs you may have to work a bit to get that body mount to shake hands w/the rear hanger.
 
#26 ·
Re: Pretty much D60 SAS now

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My boss is a very good welder and fabricator, so could I have him make up basically the same kit as ORU and be fine?

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You betcha! And I'll bet you will be much more proud of it too. I have been amazed so far at how easy it is to make some of this stuff that they charge so much for.

As far as the Shackel flip All you need is the front hanger off the rear leaf spring off of any Ford Fullsize truck 78 to present. I thought it had to be an F250 too but I think that that just came from a guy who did a write up on it and it happened to be what he used. They are all pretty much the same size and will all work. Keep the bolts when you are done just in case though. I had to use my old bolts.