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The old carb is off and the new carb is sitting on the work beach waiting for a place on the 85 inline six 258. The carb is a Carter BBD, just like the original. However, now that I have this nice new clean carb, I don’t want to put the original air cleaner housing on. It’s full of rust, oil, and….etc. I want to keep all the emissions systems, but I would like to put a K&N housing a filter on. This brings me to my question. Is there a way I route the emissions, or simplify them to accomplish this? The old air cleaner housing contains TES (Thermal-Electric Switch), PCV, TVS temperature-controlled vacuum switch, Pulse Air System, and Thermostatically Controlled Air Cleaner (TAC) System, which the new one will not. Is there a way that I can still operate as emissions legal, but I can alter the emissions to suit my needs? DDAWG16, and BRAD in my other post you both had thoughts on this, can we get more specific here. I priced a new air cleaner housing and they wanted cheapest $125.00. ANYONE, Am I trying to do the impossible?

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For those of you who are visual leaners, please check this out. This is the vacuum diagram I am working off of! http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/tech/258bbd/vacuhose.htm. Any thoughts are appreciated!
/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif Here is one thought......how about taking the time to put the little url with brackets ahead of the address, and the little /url with brackets behind it so we can click on it? Hmmmm...?? http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/tech/258bbd/vacuhose.htm /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

CJDave
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Great thanks for the advice! Any suggestions for a possible solution to my dilemma, Dave other then brackets around the URL? It would really help! Thanks again.

My response is based on my 90 YJ 258, but I think everything still applies. I would be concerned about cold weather drivability because you will be loosing source for preheated air. There is also a trap door in the snorkle that blocks air when the engine is inoperative. I am not sure what this is for, maybe to help prevent dieseling after shutting engine off. If loosing these functions isn't a problem, why not cut the sides off of your factory air cleaner and relocate the thermal air switch to where the thermal vacuum switch (which wouldn't be needed) is. You would retain Pulse Air connections and could repaint the housing to fix the rust. I have never heard of anyone doing this, so I don't know if/how it works. BTW, I bought a K&N and installed it in the factory housing. Lucky for me, this appears to have activated the automatic air cleaner oiling system on my 258. : )

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif I can't shed any light on this problem because we have an early CJ ('79) with the 304, and emissions are much less complex. There are some very knowledgeable Jeepers however, and If you could get "dorfs" attention on this one it would probably help. In addition to other things, he seems to be smog-trained so he would know what can and cannot be done./wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

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Is there any way you can clean up the original air cleaner and re-use it? K&N makes a filter that fits it. It is apparent that you have been doing your homework...good job.

Important sensors:
TES: The computer uses this one to know when the air temp is high enough so it can addjust the carg correctly. It is also used with the temp switch on the intake madifold. On my jeep the manifold wire broke and the engine ran like S*&$ until i fixed it.

The TVS is used by the EGR valve to reduce the vacuum to the EGR once the outside air is warm enough....this is the one emmissions device that I have disconnected...the switch is bad (does not reduce vacuum)

The TAC controls the bypass door for your heat riser....helps you run on cold mornings. This is also used in conjuction with the heater element in the intake manifold...if you look down the intake where the carb sits, you will see a round pad of short rods sticking up....under this is an electric heater that warms up the air on cold mornings....the relay is on the firewall.

The Pulse Air system is tied to the air cleaner just so it can have clean air....its a good design that does not hurt performance at all but helps keep the air cleaner buy burning off unburnt gas.....I have considered making a seperate filter just for these hoses....

PCV....on my jeep its tied to the valve cover.....what I think your talking about is the vent....this hose vents the engine when the PCV is closed....you need to this one....it runs the oil smoke your engine makes back into the carb....without it you will get those oily spots all over your hood or other parts of your engine...plus its a major source of VOC's.

About the only way to stay legal is to use the old air cleaner. I would clean and repaint it. If this is not possible then let me know....There may be a cheaper source near me.

Good Luck.........John

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Here's what I did. I installed a K&N air filter 130000 miles ago, in the original air filter housing. The hose from the PCV valve to the air cleaner I left intact, as the emissions do get vented from the valve cover into the carb, and that's good. But I disconnected the hose that ran from the air filter housing to the back of the valve cover. This is the "intake"; I believe it had a small square filter setup inside the air filter housing. Instead of this small square filter I bought a second K&N filter to fit in the rear grommet in the valve cover, where the disconnected hose would go. This filter is a small cylinder shaped one, about 2" tall by 2" diameter, has I think a 1/2" fitting to make a nice tight fit in the grommet. Now it don't get oil blowback into the air filter housing. Any oil blowback just gets caught by the small K&N filter. I've had this setup for 15 years with absolutely no problems at all. Fresh air enters the valve cover thru the small filter in the back grommet, and dirty air goes through the PCV valve (front grommet) into the carb. Another hint: change the grommets as they do crumble pieces of rubber into the valve cover. They"re $2.50 each at the parts store.

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DDAWG made one very good point that I'd just like to add to. If you don't have any way to heat up the air when it's cold out, your Jeep will run terrible. I have a Weber with an open K&N, runs great in the summer, but doesn't run very well in the winter until it is totally warmed up. If it is real cold out, it never does really smooth out on idle. The stock filter box does have it's distinct advantages, it just doesn't look as cool.

Brad (from the 4 Wheeling center of the universe, 4 corners USA)
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