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education level of current troops

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Several posts in the last few weeks have made me realize how different today's troops are from when I was a "member" of the Misguided Children. When a motor t driver can give a doctoral thesis on atmospheric conditions, I have to think about my own experiences in the Corps. I dropped water balloons on the batallion area while spie rigging once, perhaps I should have been researching chemistry instead. When I was in it seemed like everything worked on the FM principle. "It's F-ing Magic, that's how it works!" It could be that we grunts weren't expected to understand much so we weren't given the "details" on purpose. Now, years later I can recognize the scientific principles they were teaching me, but I was unable to grasp them at the time.For instance, I was given a thourogh understanding of thermodynamics (it takes X amount of sweat to move a pack weighing Y up a hill of H feet in T amount of time with grade (G) and surface condition (S) being additional variables to be factored in if you expect to be able to determine exactly when one Marine (M) will become a heat casualty.)
I also can't help but wonder how you guys find the time for all this research, not to mention the posting of said information. Surely all those rocks I painted while I was in need a fresh coat of white paint by now.
BTW just so you'll learn from my experimentation, an E-3 divided by a water balloon dropped from approx 100' onto the Bn area = E-2.

"My other car is a BULLDOZER"
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Well, actually, its called survival. The reality is that you have to have a degree now days in order to get by. And if the real truth must be known, we have to have some way of supporting our habit...the jeep habit that is. In other words, we go to school and study so we can get a high paying job....just so we can afford all those mods to our jeep (not to mention the spousal support to the X).

However, let me offer one other perspective...were it not for all those grunts, jar heads, fly boys and salors out there protecting our country, we wouldn't be enjoying the freedoms and standard of living that we enjoy today.

John......southern CA
84CJ7, 3"lift, 32"BFG, 4.10's, ARB Locker, Solid Axle's, Durabak
well utah that is quite the story.. i do like your computation at the end. i hope you did not leave the corps with a bad taste.. i am currently in our beloved corps, and have been for 11 years.. i currently teach avionics here in cherry point, and yes even for us, the emphasis is on more and better.. we as in staff nco's are pushed to better ourselves just to stay in and get promoted. which in return makes us a better leader and person.. not to mention when i do retire.. i will be still be able to compete with some of these young bucks that are getting out of college. i myself still believe in the old school.. learn from ones mistakes.. which i have done greatly in the corps.. and in my jeep.
so to all jeepers.. and marines.. semper fi

survival is instinct, but living takes guts
The only bad taste I left with was that of an "Omelet with Ham" MRE. Sometimes I still can't believe I ate those. I did 6 active, 2 active res. I won't say I loved every minute, but I am not the least bit sorry I served. I might have stayed in, but I would have had to do a "B" tour. I wouldn't have minded the drill field, recruiting or MSG duty, Barracks would have probably driven me nuts though. The problem was I was serving in a secondary MOS and would probably not have been able to return to that field. I would have returned to my primary (0311). That was not the direction I wanted to go at the time so I decided to get out.
The reason for my post was not to disparage current troops. It was to express how much more educated you men(/women) have become than when I was in. Anyone who can maintain the level of their professional obligations as required by the military AND have the time/energy left to research and study on their own deserves a lot of respect.

"My other car is a BULLDOZER"
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Maybe you're on to something.If I would have known I would end up doing almost three tours in VN shooting folks and being shot at, I probably would have found something else to do. I really think in those days they wanted us to be uninformed (I almost wrote stupid). That's the reason they want guys 18 - 19 years old to fight wars. So they can build them the way they want them before they're old enough to be set in their ways. BTW, doing "almost" three tours in VN means something really bad happened during that last one....

'94 YJ and '85 CJ7 with stuff done to it/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif
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What -
More resident Jarheads? They're everywhere!

Resta y'all better behave else weel maybe have flashbaks ur sumpin.

JP when were you incountry? and where? me Jul66 - Oct68 w/1 heart. Went back NOv98 and had a blast.
talk to me Misguided Child

Maybe we should make this our own private jarhead jeep site....seems to be enough of us on here...must be a jeep thing...

Hey! Any of you old jar heads, bullet heads, self propelled sand bags still have the 'BOOM' gene, make it to Knob Creek Gun Range just outside of Ft. Knox Ky. the weekend of April 15. It's the machine gun shoot and military hardware swap meet.
Lots of them old Kaiser built military jeeps and trucks around there, not to mention every kind of noise maker you ever heard of, and some you haven't!! It's a real blast!
(Pun intended!)

Later Grunts.

So many cats.... So few recipes...
I'm not military, but I do enjoy Knob Creek every year! If you've been there and haven't visited the Patton Tank Museum...shame on you. That place has some of the coooooolest "Boomers" around. If any of you into shooting haven't been to Knob creek just once, you MUST go. Their web site is Check it out for more info! See you in April!

Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo
1999 Dakota 4x4
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Another of the "World's Finest" checking in from the home of the Second Marine Division. I've been in for 13.5 years, and of course only in the Infantry! Any thing else is just support.

Semper Fi
1/6 Hard

So many trails, so little time.
Jeepen Gyrenes!!!!!!! I could get to love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(might have to invent a sig file and learn how to use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
{So many ..................... So few ........................???????????????????????}

Aaron I have a tape rec. of knob creek...........
A crowd yelling and................all h*ll breaks loose/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif
/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif you know I have to play it to all my friends!/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif
When it gets closer maybe we can see how many of "us " are going?
(hope I am again)

Wider is better but taller is cooler!
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Well Tom, don't be too impressed! I had already went to college for four years spending my senior year and two years afterwords as a research assistant for a professor - this taught me how to really dig for info from a lot of sources. I also owned my own business for five years before I enlisted at age 26 with a wife and two kids (recruiter failed to mention something called OCS, and hooked me up with a 5yr open instead! /wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif) Now that's using your edjukayshun! Try going from owning your own business as "Mr. Anger" to "this recruit!" I wanted to go to grad school, but wanted the discipline the Corps had to offer, and the Montgomery G.I. bill to help off-set the cost of my books for the first semester.

I was in Japan (mainland) on an unaccompanied tour and had a MAJOR surgery (for a Marine) from an injury I received during training. After 45 days convalecent leave back stateside, I spent alot of time on Air Force country clubs throughout the Pacific over the next four months going back and forth from mainland to follow up appointments at Camp Lester on the Rock. This gave me access to university class libraries, and a lot of completely unsupervised free time to visit them. During the time I was back with my parent unit, I also had a lot of free time since I was wearing a brace from the center of my butt cheeks to the tops of my collar bones - those not in the Corps would not understand how much unsupervised free time this gives a Marine when you don't have a med-hold company at your unit. I used all of this time to research a lot of things from politics and pop-culture science - especially the liberal agenda; to American history - especially the Civil War and the life of Abraham Lincoln. I was really trying to find out why we changed from what we were as a nation to what we are as a nation. I couldn't believe the amount of info you can uncover in such a short time! (I even found out we were winning in Nam when the liberals would let us kill people and break things like we are trained to do!) Now, research is almost an addiction, and I cannot wait to sign my DD214 to go to grad school.

I still love the Corps dearly, and always will - even though I have only served as a jockstrap for the green machine. But it isn't any fun being a Marine when you can't go to the field (and sleep in your truck,) or deploy (and sleep in your truck,) or wake up at 0400 P.T. throw down some chow then report to work (and sleep in your truck,) or go out with the grunts and train no matter what - rain, sleet, snow, or shine (and sleep in your truck,) or throw some grunts who think they are really hard out of the back of your truck on those really nasty bumps to and from training areas after they call you a nasty Motor T bubba who just sleeps in his truck all the time! (These are usually the same ones that almost cry and kiss your feet when you come rolling up in the 5 ton roach coach BTW.) And if your are not in the Corps, you are not ROTFLYAO right now - because it's a Marine thing - and you just wouldn't understand! See Tom, SOME things are STILL the same.
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