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Do you have a Detroit Locker?

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I just finished installing a Detroit Soflocker in the rear of my CJ7. When I drive I have noticed that occasionally the Jeep will pull slightly to the left under hard acceleration and that it pulls a little to the right under deceleration. This is very slight and only occasionally happens. It is much like torque steer in front wheel drive cars. Is this normal? I just want to make sure I didn't do anything in the installation that could be causing this. Just a note: my shackles are really loose and my spring clamps are open. This gives the axle a little more flex than on a stock jeep.

Thanks for any comments,

85 CJ7-4.2L,T-176,D300,2.5"lift,32"BFG MT,Durabak,York-Air,HEI
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I have noticed the same problem. I might get a set of traction bars for that. You may want to try new bushings all around. It may help. I think it is the nature of the beast.Good luck...seeya...

Ricky...seeya...
1979 CJ-7 401 T18
I don't really see it as a problem, I just wanted to know if it was normal. Thanks for the reply.

85 CJ7-4.2L,T-176,D300,2.5"lift,32"BFG MT,Durabak,York-Air,HEI
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definatly normal, I remember when I got a chance to test out my freinds Jeep after he put in a rear locker and almost changed lanes when I shifted to second, That had alot to do with the low air pressure in the tires and the fact I was REALLY getting on it(I was actually checking to see if it could still chirp the tires from the 1st-2nd shift: it can!!)

Jeff
'83 Toyota long bed
5" lift, YJ front springs
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I've been driving with a Detroit Locker in the rear of my CJ-7 since Nov. The behavior overal can be strange, like when you gas it in a corner it will want to go straight, or the propensity to make you go one way or another occasionally. My wife won't drive it, but I'm used to it and love the incredible traction.

Brad
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yes completely normal.. it will greatly enhance if you ever put a v-8 in it.

survival is instinct, but living takes guts
I have Detroits in the front and rear of my 44s in my CJ. It took a little getting used to that a$$ twisting your talking about. My jeep bobbles down the road when I shift too. Makes me smile everytime knowing I have the Detroits!

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Quite normal. Driving a rear Detroit requires a gentle throttle foot. In corners and going around turns, keep a steady speed. Do not accellerate or decellerate. If you must slow quickly in a turn, do it all with your brakes by stepping on the clutch. Get in the habit of either using or being quickly able to use the clutch in turns, because if the locker fails to unlock (pressure on both wheels and the engine because you are using too much throttle or not enough) and the road is slick from rain, snow, gravel, oil - whatever, you can loose control quite quickly. The locker only unlocks for turns when the engine isn't forcing it in either an accelleration mode or a decelleration mode. It really doesn't unlock at all. What actually happens is that the wheel that is turning faster because the road is forcing it to turn faster (turns) ratchets or over runs the locker. The engine will prevent this ratchet action by putting pressure on the axles, and it can do that by drag (decelleration) or power (accelleration).
As far as pulling to opposite sides in heavy acceleration and the opposite side in deceleration, my guess would be that it is caused by the tires not being exactly, and I mean really EXACTLY the same diameter. If that is the case, I doubt that you could ever get the tires exactly equal enough to stop that action, and even if you could, it wouldn't last very long.

Doug '97 TJ
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I have a locker in my 88 yj and noticed it pulles under acceleration. I also noticed that is clunks if i give it gas in and out of turns, is this the locker engaging and disenging??

Would traction bars correct this sideways movement? The bars I am referring are the ones that bolt to the U bolts on the axle and attach to the frame foward the axle..Would this do?

Ricky...seeya...
1979 CJ-7 401 T18
i have a theory why this happens.. on performance? front wheel drive cars, they sell equal length half shafts because the torque steer gets really bad... remember that even on a centered differential, the axle shafts are not the same length, and you get the same effect
you think thats something.. i can pull the front tires off the ground in first and the jeep wanders into oncomming traffic.. but i never had that problem until i installed the detroit

~~Elusive~~
it's sort of still a cj thingy....
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I have had detroits for a long time and as far as I can tell there really isn't anything you can do to stop the movement that you are describing. Like the earlier post said, a steady throttle is the best way to limit this reaction. Try to avoid throttle changes in corners. use your clutch and brake to slow in curves or on ice. DO NOT downshift on ice. This is BAD. It will get you loose every time. I have detroits front and rear and drive in quite a bit of snow in the mountains. It takes some getting used to but it can be done. your clutch is your best tool when driving lockers in the snow. Welcome to the wonderful world of detroit lockers. the off-road performance and reliability is definitely worth the on road learning curve.

Axlesupagain
98TJ 5.25 Rubicon Express, 1" body lift, 35's 4.56 detroits lots of stuff
96XJ 3" lift, 31's, 3.73, lockright, less stuff

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Could be either, but probably engaging. When you go around a corner the outside wheel rolls faster. The locker, IF IT IS IN A NEUTRAL CONDITION, in other words, power is not being applied to increase the speed nor is the engine dragging it down to slow the vehicle, it will allow the outside wheel to roll faster than the inside wheel. The locker is not actually "unlocked". It ratchets kinda like a ratchet wrench when you reverse the direction from the torque direction.
You shouldn't normally feel this ratcheting action. Might hear it, but shouldn't feel it. If you allow the engine to affect the wheels, in other words, you accelerate or let the engine slow you down, the pressure causes the ratcheting to stop and both wheels to become solidly locked to the engine once again and begin to roll in sequence whether you are through turning or not. At that point one of the wheels has to loose traction, either spinning or sliding depending on whether you are accelerating or decelerating.
This is an explanation (simple explanation) for a full locker like a Detroit, not one of the other types that may use clutches or some other method to lock.
The confusion arrises because some lockers actually lock up when conditions dictate (ARB, clutch type etc) and others are locked all the time like the Detroit. The ones that are locked all the time have some method to allow the street to dictate an over ride condition which means that the momentum of the car rolling is the imputus for causing some condition to exist in the locker as opposed to engine power. As long as the power derived from the momentum of the vehicle's movement is greater, the locker will be loose enough to ratchet. When the power from the engine is greater that the momentum power, the engine dictates and the locker has only one choice - locked. Well, that's not entirely accurate. The engine power just prevents the ratcheting from taking place.
Suppose you were tightening a bolt using a common ratchet wrench. But suppose that bolt was turning in the same direction at 5 rpms. As long as you turn the wrench at greater than 5 rpms the bolt will tighten, but what if you were turning the wrench at only 3 rpms? The bolt would not tighten or loosen. You would just hear your ratchet clicking as the bolt out ran your effort. That's the principle of the action in the locker.
Hope this helps.

Doug '97 TJ
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I thought it drove completely different at first. I was briefing my wife on the new handling, but she couldn't even tell....doh!

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