Off Roading Forums banner
1 - 7 of 7 Posts
G

·
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
MY engine just seized again after putting in a new top end and break-in procedure was done. I looked at the piston and the crown has grooves all in it and so does my head. The clips are still there and i was very careful not to drop anything in there when i put it together. Anyways the cylinder is in good shape still and so is the side of the piston. I know i have to replace the piston but it wont even try to start now. I figured the grooves might have been a totally different problem and it seized for another reason. anyways it should still start shouldnt it? If just the crown is beat up and the middle of the head.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
411 Posts
That's not much information but it's enough for me to take a crack at this while the pizza's defrosting. You say there are grooves in the piston crown and head. Grooves to me means long straight gouges. I doubt this is what you mean, so what exactly does it look like? Are there small pits or does it look like someone's been beating on your engine with a ballpeen hammer? Was the head marked up from the first seizure. Were there pieces of ring or needle bearing stuck in the head or piston from the previous meltdown? If so, did you clean up the head - smooth ot the potholes and dig out the shrapnel? If there were marks left in the head or , heaven forbid, a tiny piece of ring burrowed into the squishband, they could cause detonation. The foreign bits of metal or even the little cankersores in the head could create hotspots that would ignite the fuel mixture while the piston was still on the way up and give it a pretty good beating. I've seen a couple of engines that were detonating badly and it actually looked like there was a steel ball pounding the head and piston.
When you rebuilt the engine did you split the cases and wash out the bottom end? Shrapnel can stick in the crankcase and blast up through the transfer ports of a fresh rebuild, do nasty things inside your bore, and then exit through your pipe, never to be found.
Did the engine actually seize or did it just stop running? Did it gradually loose power and quit or did it get noisy and rattly and loose rpm fast and jam up? You say it won't start now so I'm assuming that you can kick it over which means the piston's not seized in the cylinder now. What happened when it blew up the first time?
Does the engine still have compression? Pull the plug and ground it to the engine, stick your thumb over the hole, hold the throttle wide open and kick it over fast to check compression. If you kick it over fast enough air should squirt past your thumb. At the same time watch the plug for spark. Maybe some shrapnel beat the spark plug gap closed while it was speed baggin' away at the piston. Were there any signs of the piston melting? Were the rings stuck in the grooves at all? Did you look in the bottom end? It's been a while since I worked on a 2 stroke - do crank seals still pop out?
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Yes long grooves on the piston crown that look like it was stabbed viciously with a pen. it is mostly around the outer part of the crown. say you had a piston made out of clay, take a pen and diagnolly stab it about 1000 times. some very little grooves, some big grooves. the head was fine the firts time it seized. the first time it seized i was rideing in 5th gear, full throttle and the bike bogged down to a stop and died. would not start. it still kicked over but wouldnt start. took it apart and the cylinder had marks where it had seized. i had it bored out and cleaned, and cleaned the exhaust valves, lubed the parts, put it back together(did not clean the head, because it looked fine.) I did not use break-in oil because i am a dumbas* but it started right up and i broke it in very good, took it very easy. After about 10 rides i decided to take it up a notch. It ran great until i was rideing about 3rd gear and it lost all power, bogged down and and died. ( i shouldve let off the throttle) it would kick over but wouldnt start. i took it apart to see the piston crown and head had grooves all over it. that is a very good thought of shrapnel from the old seize could have sucked up to the top end and beat the crap out of my piston and head. the ring is seated almost all the way. there are marks on my piston, where the intake side is and a mark on my cylinder. so it must have seized. the marks are not bad at all and i can probably sand it with 500 grit paper?? needle bearing in good shape and the one before was in good shape. the ring did not chip away and both clips were in. the crown was pitted soo much that the outer edge of the crown has chipped away and is probably in the bottom end. i hope this is enough info thanks for the help. i ran 32:1 also. racing sythetic oil.
 
1 - 7 of 7 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top