[Guest]

Hey guys:
Anyone have any info on possible closures of portions of the trails in Clayton, Okl.?? An e-mail I received from my club, Ft. Worth Dallas-Four Wheel Drive (FWD-FWD) says 3 Stage and St. Valentines trails were now OFF LIMITS!!! Supposedly, some change in ownership of portions of the land (I thought it was all public and/or Warehouser timber land). Has anyone heard of this or have more info.??? FWD-FWD apparently is trying to get some clarification, but I wanted to see if anyone else had any info.
Thanks,
Shain

 

[Guest]

I heard that some green weenies wanted Klinton to make 70,000 acres of Native grass land a national monument in Ok. I read somewhere on either CNN (Communist news network) or USA Today. I hope it does not happen, He has started a trend and its going to get worse.

Here in Pa they are trying to change all the surface minning areas into parks or industrial area's. Everybody still says that there is alot of places left, and yes there are places left but they are going quick.

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[jps4ever]

Hey Shain,
First, Congratz on the new baby girl! My friend Gene from Ark. was in Clayton last weekend and ran into the new owner(s). 2 men and a woman were putting up "Keep Out" signs. They are from Dallas and are making it a "Gun Club". They did not know the names of the trails, "3 stage ect. so we really don't know where the lines are. My understanding was the upper part of 3 stage was bought by the new oweners, and the trails you talked about are gone too. FWD-FWD and JNT are asking everyone to stay off the trails until they talk to the new owners and try to work someting out. I'm sure you got the same letter from Steve as I did.
I'm sick about hearing this and can only hope FWD can make a new friend here.

Dave in Durant

 

[Guest]

I just put an inquiry out on the LUN to see if anyone has anymore info. I'll post if there is any.

Brad
ORC Land Use Section Editor
Get involved or lose it all, the choice is yours!

 

[Guest]

Shain and Dave,
I talked with a guy today that spoke with these new owners. As of right now ALL portions of Three Stage, St. Valentines, and maybe even that first short leg of the Power Line trail are off limits. I guess this starts right at head of the Rock Creek trail and covers all of Three Stage. I think this fella is talking with the new owners to see if we can work something out so that we can still use the trails at least some of the time.
I sure hope that something good comes out of this and not the other way around.

Lets keep eachother posted on what we hear.

Peanut.

 

[Guest]

SH*T this pisses me OFF!!!!!

 

[DRM]

There should be a way to compromise...

I know our clus has worked out with hunting clubs in the area to use the trails as long as it is not deer or turkey season. We also help keep the routes open for the clubs, and pick up trash - a nice symbiatic (sp?) relationship.

Really though - I can't hold it against the new owners if they close it off. After all, it is THEIR land to do with as they please...

I just think it is coming down to the fact that we are going to have to stop relying on public land to ride - it is time to start purchasing/leasing land for our own uses. This cuts out all the "fight for land use" junk we are having to deal with now, but does intruduce it's own set of problems admittedly.

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[Guest]

Here's part of an e-mail I got from Rick Neil of FWD-FWD. I also got a message from Mark Werkmeister on this. The point is, the land is private land, the state of OK has had a long term access lease, and they are presently trying to work things out.

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Thanks for your inquiry. To be honest, we don't know the whole story yet.
As always, there's lots of speculation. Some of the stories I've heard about
what property has been purchased make no sense because it would have involved
property owned by numerous different private and public property owners. Our
club is in direct contact with the new owners, and we're meeting with them
this weekend to determine exactly what's going on and how it'll affect us.
At this point the best thing for ALL of us is to keep the speculation to a
minimum, and avoid driving the new landowners crazy with inquiries from every
direction. We're working to establish a positive relationship with them.
We'll just have to see what develops.
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Brad
ORC Land Use Section Editor
Get involved or lose it all, the choice is yours!