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Discussion Starter · Oct 10, 1999

CJ\'s VIN PLATE

I heard that you can purchase a CJ's VIN PLATE if you like to build one from scratch and what they are selling are clean VIN PLATE. I anybody out there know where or who or their ###-###-####.

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CJDave

· #2 · Oct 10, 1999

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/wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif Yeah, Leroy's chop shop in Miami should be able to handle that request. Along with that, how about a Mercedes Benz for 200 bucks, and a Vette for 350 bucks. Of course you will need to get new keys and new steering wheel locks, and ignore the busted driver's side windows. BLANK VIN number plates? You HAVE to be kidding! You ARE kidding, right? /wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

CJDave

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 11, 1999

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I wouldn't buy a vin plate from anyone. If you want to build a CJ from scratch then buy a totalled unit or a rusted out unit for a legal title, and vin plate. I have done that twice and cut out the original firewall to bolt on to my glass tub. It provides extra fire protection and a correct vin plate. First of all you can't license it without a proper title, your vin numbers have to match the body description, etc. If they don't the vehicle can be confiscated and will be forfeited to the law enforcement agency that discovers your vin equipment is forged. That would make for a lousy day!

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 12, 1999

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The point of the above posts is well taken. But.... Review what Jeepskate has (I'm referring to his 79). Heck, review what I have. We both have Jeeps that could be interpreted to be no more than what this person is trying to do. The last time I looked at the specs on Jeepskate, it seemed to me that Jeepskate is no more, no less. And, my Jeep is made up of numerous parts, from numerous sources, and by the ca vehicle code, is technically a no-no. But, I have saved receipts for the majority of the major parts, and I have run this stuff by a couple of dmv people, and three people in uniform. So far, I am told that what I have is technically 'not-correct', but I am not yet being hassled. I have had my pink slip for around 20 years, but almost nothing is currently from that original Jeep (a 1970 CJ-5). The current frame and tub is from a -7, and the frame has been modified enough that it would be difficult for most people to say that it is a CJ-7 frame. The numbers on the frame were stamped by a place recommended by my dmv, back in the days when 'tags' were not issued by the chp, and the dmv used to send you to a corner gas-station for number-stamping, like when you built a home-made trailer, or whatever.
You might want to look in Hemmings. There is a guy in there that has been advertising for many years, that claims to be able to provide the documentation necessary to create a title on older vehicles. And, I still have an 81 title complete with the tags, in case anyone cares. (The guy in Hemmings used to get around two bills. I'd let is go for what I gave the dmv to get it.) The tub from this Jeep went on one of my build-ups, and the frame is currently running around with a stretched 51 flatfender body, and is highly and professionally modified into a 'magazine-quality' rock-crawler. This one is still registered as a 51 CJ.
Best wishes.

bob

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040

· #5 · Oct 13, 1999

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Hey now, don't drag me into this ;-)
We don't actually know WHAT this guy is doing. While what I was doing was technically illegal (removing a VIN tag and placing it on another body), it wasn't far removed from doing a fiberglass body swap (which is also technically illegal without getting a new VIN). My title and VIN tag DO go with the frame, they're not from some other source. It's not the sum of the parts that determines things, it's whether or not you've tampered with the VIN tags. If you don't get caught doing it, fine, but get caught and it's your butt on the line.

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 13, 1999

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Actually it all depends on the stat as to wether or not you can swap vin plates. I did it on my fiberglass tub and have it looked at by police and emissions people both. Nobody has said anything about it. Basicly it comes down to whether or not they think you'r doing it to be misleading or other things illegal. But it's always ther as something extra for them to screw you with if they are looking for somehing.

Al
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Discussion Starter · #7 · Oct 13, 1999

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Sorry, Jeepskate.... But, you HAVE reinforced my point. We both have 'removed a VIN tag and placed it on another body'. Shame on both of us, as well as a whole bunch of other folks that are remaining 'quiet'.

bob

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040

· #8 · Oct 13, 1999

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Yes, but what I've done is considerably different (in intent, not in legality)from getting VIN tags and their associated title from one vehicle and slapping them on a wholly different vehicle. My tags and title DO go with my frame...if someone were to look at my tags and the number stamped in my frame, they would match. The purchase of VIN tags & a title is typically done for deception...you've got a vehicle with a shady past, or you're trying to pass off a newer vehicle as an older pre-smog one. All I've done is put a rust free body on, I'm not trying to fool anyone and I suspect that neither are you.

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CJDave

· #9 · Oct 13, 1999

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[shocked} Ok, that DOES it! The black helicopters will be over your location soon./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gifHave all your weapons ready to give up to the trusty gov't, and submit! You rebel you!/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif

CJDave

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 13, 1999

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Ok, I agree with you... And, I am for sure not trying to fool anyone. A difference between our rigs is (obviously), ... yours is likely 'sell-able', and mine is definitely not. I assembled my rig knowing full-well that I could never sell it, and my only option is to dismantle it when I'm done. Yours at least looks like what the title says. Mine sure doesn't. And, I am forever having a couple of work-associates asking if they can buy my Jeep. But, one of the first questions always seems to be.. 'what year is it?' And, I can't answer. What would I say... the year of the tub... or the year of the title.... the year of the frame.. (if I knew)??

bob

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CJ7Taz

· #11 · Oct 14, 1999

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Yeah, but...

I also have a CJ7 with a fiberglass body which displays the original VIN plate from the original steel body.

I also have a dune buggy, Concept One fiberglass body, which I built and applied for a builders title. This
was back in the pre-smog '70s though. There are a whole bunch of rail type buggies around here, even
though Kansas has no dunes that I know of, and they have tags. At least here there must be builders
titles. You need a bill of sale for major components like body, engine and frame. Call your local DMV
and see if they are available in your state.

I'm pretty sure this is one case where it's better to ask permission than forgiveness! If you get caught
with a VIN plate that has obviously been changed or altered, there will be a lot of questions.

Ron

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 14, 1999

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OK Boys heres the deal in Maine, you do NOT WANT TO REMOVE A VIN. TAG AND REINSTALL IT.I was going to do it and my close friend, a state trooper let me know that if i got cought the vehicle will get impounded until i showed bill of sale for every part and they verified it was not stolen. Believe it or not i just called the DMV and they sent a trooper who assignes new #'s.HE WAS A JEEPER! He liked my rig , asked a few questions and he pop-riveted a tag on it. He also he told me the same thing my buddy did about impounding the jeep.So i would be real carefull about tags, if you get the wrong cop you could loose your rig.
Good Luck, Mike

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· #13 · Oct 14, 1999

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here in alabama if the vehicle is totalled they (the state) take the vin numbers. You can rebuild you would have a title that claim it was detroyed. Once the new vehicle was rebuild you could get a STATE OF ALABAMA vin plate which rivets to the body. Everything much be in parts and the parts with vin numbers must be clean not stolen. Also anything older than 1974 does not need a title just a bill of sale.

But i did have a friend build a complete Harley with out using any harley parts just aftermarket and because it did not have a harley title it couldnot be title as a harley. And because any new mfg must prove safety to the state he could not title the bike. So he bought a 73 basket case and use its title aand the parts with the vin numbers.

brownbagg </font color=red>

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