[445]

I was talking to some one who was pretty reputable when it comes to roll cages and he says i shouldn't waste my time with building off the junk stock roll bar and should have a full custom cage built up throwing away the stock roll bar. I've seen tons of cages built off factory roll bars and i think you are even allowed to build off factory roll bars in eroc rules. Is building off the factory roll bar not safe. By time i'm done with my cage (going to build it up in stages) i'd like it to be a nice triangulated cage with seats and 5 points tied into it to multiple rolls.

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[Bryan]

Mine is built off the stock bar.
It's a huge improvement over the stock bar. So it's definitely a lot safer than what was there.

 

[338]

Mine was built off of the factory rollbar.
I think you would be hard pressed to find a rollbar that was more tested or abused.
It was the same rollbar that bounced multiple times down the rocks at Donner, and went on to complete that day, and many days after.
I would venture to say that cage was asked to protect my lid, at least 2 dozen times, and it always did what it was supposed too.
In the end it was the blue torch that finaly finished it off, when I redesigned the entire rear end of the Jeep,...even then it put up a hell of a fight in Welder Boys shop.

 

[Tippy]

Mine is built off the factory bar. I'm not afraid of it being week.

 

[pbmcauliffe]

On my CJ5 I built it off the stock hoop in stages, and it was rolled a few times very hard and was okay. The first go around of my CJ7 was built off the stock hoop, and took a few mild rolls and was okay. The most recent buildup I went totally custom to fit was I was doing. As far as building them, I am about 50/50 on using the stock hoop, just depends on what they want, and the overall build-up.

 

[445]

I whas hoping you would answer this post. I was thinking about all the hard rolls you have had. I think the stock hoop is fine for me. I do get stupid some times but if i get that supid that i need a full custom cage the rest of the jeep probably won't be able to survive.

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[Guest]

I past a TJ this afternoon coming down the highway on it's lid. Just go's to show, you never know when you will need it.

 

[445]

Yeah, i've barrelrolled on the road ending back on my wheels. Stock jeep cages do hold up to a fair amount on the road. My jeep is becomming more and more less streetable though and now will ride on a trailer most trips more than an hour.

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[pontiac58]

I had a race car shop that was going to build my cage. He said the same damn thing. So at first i was going with what he said. Then i saw a CJ that rolled at least 6 times, starting at about 70 mph. Then i saw H8's rig with the stock cage and if i remember right Jeff even used a stock hoop for the front hoop also. Then i saw what he was doing and well that got me back to earth. There isnt anything wrong with the stock hoop. Use it and go for it. If you still are worried about it and few extra bars to it and let it eat.

 

[445]

The person that told me that would probably be getting my money for the cage so i was taking it with a grain of salt. It's a lot cheeper to spend $120 on a weld in cage kit and a stick or 2 of tubing. Maybe spend some cash to have some one bend up some trangulated overhead spreaders and some seat tie ins/ trangulation in the door area. Time to start thinking about cage designs.

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[lomodyj]

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My jeep is becomming more and more less streetable though and now will ride on a trailer most trips more than an hour.

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Isn't this what happend to your TJ...Just keep hacking on it or bashing on it or adding to it until you can't drive it anymore?????

 

[445]

Right now 35's and 3.08's don't make for the best road combo. I need an sye to combat rear drive shaft issues, the pro crap springs ride like crap. It still looks nice and isn't 1/2 assed it's just not as drivable as it used to be. Any jeep on 35's looses some streetability. With some new gears and an sye it will be better on the street. Just as it grows it does change. I'm sure when i put in a welded or mini spooled 8.8 i won't be driving it much in the winter at all (and don't tell me to put in an arb, it's not worth it for my limited street driving and i don't need cutting breaks) I have the jeep for wheeling not picking up whores at the mall. Building a jeep is all about trade offs you can't build the perfect jeep for all types of wheeling and the street. When i got this jeep i planed on it being streetable but still planned on towing it, i should have towed it to the badlands when it was on 235's and that bit me in the butt not towing it. Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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[lomodyj]

Didn't realize you were still running the 3.08's, bummer. I know lot's of people that are running 35's or bigger on the street. But you have to have the correct gearing. Putting a spool or welding your rear is gonna make it less streetable...maybe a Detroit...? There is no reason why you can't build a very good, strong, big trail rig and still put it on the street. It just takes some forthought and patience.

Many of us on this board and on POR watched you take your TJ and hack on it, beat on it and generally abuse it, till it was unusable...We would hate to see you do this to another of your Jeeps. Build this one smart, wheel the snot out of it, repair and replace with an overall plan in mind...When you break something, upgrade it, don't just slap some ol' crap on it. Make it better than it was.

And for God's sake, please, leave the Sawzall at your mothers...

 

[445]

LOMOD this has been covered 10 million times, do a search for my user name i bet it's been covered atleast 5 times, i'm sick of it from people that don't know me and have never wheeled with me, if you knew me and had been there from the start then it would be different. I'm keeping this jeep looking nice but also very capable. It will be better on the street than the tj but i have a truck and trailer for a reason. Even if it drove like a caddy it would still ride on a trailer for long distance trips. If you want my reasons for going with a mini spool or welded rear start a post with something like arb vs detroit vs welding and i'll chime in.

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[lomodyj]

Andy, I didn't intend for this to turn into an argument.

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this has been covered 10 million times, do a search for my user name i bet it's been covered atleast 5 times,

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I know I've been reading them for years. Note, I've never been on the "Bash Andy's build up" threads.

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i'm sick of it from people that don't know me and have never wheeled with me, if you knew me and had been there from the start then it would be different

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True, we have not met nor wheeled together, but, I've watched what you did to the TJ, and have read some of your ideas on the YJ. What would be different if I knew you???

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I'm keeping this jeep looking nice but also very capable.

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Keep repeating this to yourself, It's a great idea.

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It will be better on the street than the tj but i have a truck and trailer for a reason.

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I've got nothing against towing your Jeep, do it myself occasionally. Never said you shouldn't.

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If you want my reasons for going with a mini spool or welded rear start a post with something like arb vs detroit vs welding and i'll chime in.

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Damn son, relax. You mentioned wanting to keep the YJ streetable and mentioned welding or doing the spool, I just gave a suggestion and opinion (the Detroit) that I thought might be beter manered on the street than welding...

 

[445]

Dude you can only figure out so much about a person reading their posts online. I don't need you brining up useless fulff in every post i put up when i'm actually trying to get some information in. I put up that my jeep is being less streetable in regards to the tj being on it's lid on the street and that my jeep is less and less of a street rig, granted i could still be on my lid on the street but it's less of a possability than a daily driver.

 

[lomodyj]

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I don't need you brining up useless fulff in every post i put up

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[pontiac58]

I hate to tell you this, but no matter what you post, nobody is going to give you resepct(SP). Everyone on this board whatch you trash a high dollar <nobr>jeep</nobr> and now that is how people are going to treat you. To get off of that "i destroyed a TJ list" you will have to earn it, by showing us all that you have grown up.

OPPS forgot to add something

Anyway, i was thinking of your post today, when a kid came into work, wanting a cage built for his YJ. His buddy had rolled his TJ on the road and just about died from the rollover. So this kid wants a cage to protect his butt. The YJ is a totally stock banger and that is how the kid plans on keeping it. Just wants a safer ride.

 

[Guest]

I live in San Diego. Does anyone know of a person or place that does roll bar work? I need a couple of cross bars welded onto the factory bar for shoulder harnesses. I also would like to take my Jeep to get the rear main seal replaced. I currently have a broken rib and flat-backing under the Jeep is out of the question. Anyone know of anyone or place that is competent to do this work? Thanks for the help.

Mongo

 

[RRich]

Most of the cages I've seen inhibit my big feet getting in and out the door!
I've heard of a kit that doesn't do that - has a channel in the front as I remember, along with spreader bars that attach to the TJ stock cage.

Anybody know who makes that?
And - anybody seen one "tested?"

No matter how strong you build it - you can still destroy it and kill yourself if you try hard enough.
Something's better than nothing!