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I am considering moving out West somewhere to get away from Indiana. I would like to go somewhere where I can have the top off almost every day, where the cost of living isn't outrageous, good wheeling, other things to do, good place for a computer guy to get a job, NOT California, and where it NEVER snows. Any ideas?
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Sounds like you just described Phoenix to me. The climate changes dramatically once you get north of Phoenix to Flagstaff. The elevation of Phoenix is like 2,000, and it never snows there. Flagstaff has to be up at 4-5,000 and they have an almost real winter up there. Personally I'd love to be there, but, if you don't like snow then that is out, plus the technical jobs there are nothing like Phoenix. Phoenix has plenty of computer jobs, the city has a fair amount of stuff in it and there is great wheeling everywhere. The city is geographically huge, buy eastern standards. (I call the whole thing phoenix, instead of mesa, scottsdale, tempe, etc.. since it is the same city) I bet it takes an hour to drive through the thing on the highway. The worst part is that in the summer the heat is just opressive. You can leave the top off all year except for the cool winter mornings with little worry of rain or cold. Except for the late summer when it rains alot for some reason. The only others I can think of are Tucson and Austin, TX. I hear Austin has just gobs of tech jobs. Tucson, is right at the foot of beautiful mnts, a bit cooler then Phoenix since its higher up, smaller and easier to live in, but the tech jobs and entertainment are a little bleak.


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austin does have a lot of tech jobs... but you run into the same problem as me and every other texan... few places to go wheelin in texas.

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I've lived in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and now Nevada I personally liked Arizona best for four wheeling ther is every type of wheeling there and trailes are never crowded. You should be able to find a computer job in Pooenix with out a problem. But you will have to put up with smog checks on your Jeep if you live in Phoenix.In some of the smaller cities like Prescott you don;t have to put up with that crap

 
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You're asking alot. Phoenix is a nightmare, like LA at 125 degrees. Tucson is a little better, but not the job opportunities.
If you want to put up with a little cooler weather in the winter, Albuquerque would be the place. Personally, I think the 4 corners
area is heaven on earth, we get snow in the winter here in Farmington, but overall you can't beat the weather, the summers are
downright pleasant, and the winters are cold, but fairly dry. BTW, jobs are tough here, but, last year San Juan Co., NM, which is
where Farmington is, accounted for 60% of the state's growth.

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"NEVER snows" pretty much describes Portland. Lots of wheelin' all over the state and in southern Washington. Portland has tons of tech jobs, I'm in school for mechanical engineering so I pay attention to what's in my neighborhood. OK it's true, you won't be able to have the top off everyday, but I think you still might like it here. Great summers, very mild winters, surfing, rock climbing, hiking, wind surfing, good night life.

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If you dont eliminate California as a choice, Fresno Ca would just about fit the bill. With access to some awsome four wheelin. In addition to the hundreds of trails you have never heard of, including one of the most beautiful trails I have ever been on "Big Shuteye Lookout Trail"(Rivals Yosemite for vistas and granite boulder domes, and the trail weaves through the whole scene). There is also Dusi Ershim, Swamp Rt, Coyote and Red Lakes,......, Also only about 4 or 5 hrs away from Rubicon, Fordyce, and 2 hrs from Sledge Hammer, Jack hammer and Wrecking Ball.

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All I can say is that LA would be perfect if it weren't for the outrageous cost of living, BS emissions crap, and weirdos. I used to live in Huntington Beach and I absolutely loved it. I think it rained twice in 3 years. Although when it rained it rained for a week. How much does it cost to live in Fresno compared to Indiana though? I could expect a bit of increase but if it is double like LA is then no way.
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Yes i loved LA.. lived in Newport Beach for 6 years.. and i am working on going back.. top off 9 months the year.. perfect weather.. awesome wheeling.. i didnt mind the cost of living.. its not that bad.. just have to look around... there is a full spectrum of living conditions out there... i am on the coast of north carolina now.. and its worse than l.a. cause there is no diversity..

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Aaron, San Diego is a little expensive, but way less than anywhere in L.A. Lots and lots of high tech and computer jobs. Tons of wheeling.

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I would move to So CA if I could live there affordably. The Fresno thing sounds kinda nice.
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You should try Winnepeg, Manitoba /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif!

Seriously, Albuquerque is nice & I really thought Ft. Collins, CO was nice. Cold at night in Winter, but much of the snow blows right over them (tucked up against the foothills) to pummel Greeley & Cheyenne. Leaving a humid state like IN, you'll be amazed how much the temp varies from hour to hour in a dry spot like the Southwest - especially at altitude.

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Yeah Canada. That is just what I had in mind. Hehe. Not a chance in He11. Fresno isn't looking too bad though. You can get an almost new 1500 sq ft house there for around 100k.
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Kind of off the origonal topic, but I drove out to San Diego once to make up my one and only trip to California. What is the deal with those bumpy highways? It seemed that those concrete slabs that make up the highways went up and down and were at the resonant frequency of my Jeeps suspension and it made me feel like I was going to bounce right off the road? Personally I though California was a huge let down. I grew up back east hearing about sunny California and all the easy going laid back people. All I found after I came over the mountains was millions of mostly unattractive houses crammed into every available piece of ground, a million highways going all over the place and drivers who were anything but laid back. I'm sure there are less populated areas up north that are much better, and have a lot better senery. As far as I'm concerned though, any benefits of living on the coast of southern Cal seem to be far outweighed by, ridiculous gas prices, opressive emissions laws, high cost of living, and way too many people.

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So you like Tucson then? I don't mind the heat I just hate cold, snow, rain, wind, and anything else that prevents me from driving topless.
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No, Im not from Fresno. I work for a Large Construction Co. as a Project Superintendent. I was in Oakhurst, Ca.(20 miles No. of Fresno/ 16 miles So. of Yosemite),last year from Feb - Oct last year to develope a piece of property and build a Drug Store for one of our major clients. I move wherever and whenever the company needs me to go. I am currently in Reno, Nv, the 4 wheelin is good but its pretty cold in the winter.

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I guess its all what you want. If you like the beach and lots of urban entertainment, then you'll hate Tucson. The phrase, "something is always going on", definately does not describe this place like it would a city in southern Cal. The night life around the University of Arizona is pretty good with all the college kids, and most young people in their 20s going there. I lived in Boston last year and its nothing like that. I could go down to beantown and spend days finding stuff to do and see, but downtown Tucson is non-existant. However the cost of housing is less then half of eastern Mass. For me though, I could spend everyday of the year in the widlerness hiking, jeeping, or just relaxing and never step foot in the city and be happy so I love it. The mountains are so close and since I live on the edge of town I can almost air down in my garage before going on some trails if I wanted to, and hundreds of beautiful hikes and awesome climbs are minutes away with the town boardered by 3 peaks that are over 9,000 feet. They say the job market is picking up here, but since I have only been here 10 months I don't know for sure. Phoenix is a big place and might seem like a hot LA, to those who have been to LA (not me), but since you are looking for places with good tech jobs whatever it is might be a trade off. If you liked southern LA alot then you might actually be happier dealing with higher cost and other negatives there, then being in a cheaper place that you might not like as much. Who knows. I'm only 24 so what the heck am I giving advice about where to live anway?


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LA is the best place to live overall. You can find inexpensive but decent housing, if you don't mind driving. When it hits 100, and your top is off you'll sweat sitting in traffic... /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif but we like the soaked armpit look, right? /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

What kind of high-tech? Service? sales? tekkie?

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If you ever move back east......
avoid Baltimore at all costs!!!!
Nowhere to wheel, well, you'll probably get shot before you attempt to find a place to wheel anyway.
Just a warning. ( I think we already have 110 murders here this year.)/wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif
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