Wow, nice pic of some...er...lawn crawling? Good thing you mowed the grass before attempting that obstacle!/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif Just kidding. The only AT's that I have firsthand experience with are BFG's. I've had them on four different vehicles and in my opinion are the best tire for a 95% street driven vehicle that may see an occational trail. They are great through snow, well behaved on the freeway, and as good as any in the rain. Sorry no experience with the ones you mentioned. And if you still think I was REALLY giving you crap about the pic', check out my poser pic. Hasn't even seen a dirt road yet!/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

Mike H.
1983 CJ-7 Laredo

 

Well...I've got Yokahama Geolander M/T's...they grip better than anything I've ever tried, not loud on the highway....but, they do seem to be wearing do to the soft tread compound... They're also unidirectional, which has a serious cool factor.


You can trust me with your life, your safety, and your property, but not too many nights in the same room with you.

 

Not on your list but I have to go with the BFG's. I found I had a ton of traction on the trail and I never had a problem in bad weather. Rain or snow. I had them on my Jimmy for 2 years before I sold the truck and there was hardly any wear yet and I drove her EVERY day for both work and pleasure. I saw the truck a few months ago now 2 more years since selling it and there was still about 60% tread. I never had a problem with tire noise either but I couldn't here anything over the ehaust rumble.
They are one of the most aggresive A/T's out there but are still very well mannered on the road.
You get what you pay for.

'88 Sahara, 4.2 that runs. The rest is getting there!/wwwthreads_images/icons/blush.gif

 

I wouldnt recommend the SSRs, they have very weak side walls for stump laden trails. I went through 5 sidewall in 6 months running those tires. I have never torn a sidewall out in years of wheeling before or after. Its too bad to, because they fit all of your other requirements very well.

Jeff
89 YJ
Adversity is imminent, versatility is mandatory, misery is optional.

 

I have been running the Pro Comp ATs on my F250 for the last 20,000 miles. They handle great on the highway, wet and snow covered, and the tread looks like new. They have done alright off road in the sand, but I havent tried em in deep mud, I wouldnt think they would be extremely impressive though.



Jeff
89 YJ
Adversity is imminent, versatility is mandatory, misery is optional.

 

Another tire that I used for a couple of years is the General Grabber AP. It does pretty good off road, is quiet on road and one of the four wheel drive magazines a couple years ago named it the best snow tire.

 

I would have to say stick with the BFG AT. I had a set of 31s on a 4x4 s10 that did really well. They do awesome in the snow. They also wear really well I put 40k miles on them and they still had plenty of tread left... I think they have some kind of warranty that if you get stuck with them they pul you out?!

Lugnut 77 cj5

 

I have had the BFG AT and AT KO's on 4 vehicles myself. They are a great all around tire. Quiet, well mannered on and off road. They pack up in sticky mud but in light mud they are OK. They are great in snow and on ice. I would not run anything else when looking for an AT tire. Rick

'98 TJ Sport-becoming more modified all the time.

 

Another vote for the BFG AT. My buddy runs Mickey Thompson Baha Belted and they slide in the rain something aweful. He needs to have them siped. His father runs BFG AT, and has no problems. BTW both of these guys have Scramblers. Can you imagine that? 2 Scramblers in the same family. Too cool.

"Don't tread on me."

 

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I wouldnt recommend the SSRs, they have very weak side walls for stump laden trails. I went through 5 sidewall in 6 months running those tires. I have never torn a sidewall out in years of wheeling before or after. Its too bad to, because they fit all of your other requirements very well.

By very weak, do you mean very weak period, or do you mean very weak for the type of driving you did with them? I doubt I'll be running them 1/2 as hard as you did, so if they really fit the other requirements well, i'd still be interested in trying them out. (but rocks and stumps are definitely in my area) Also, hows the tread wear on the SSR's? Interco seems to use softer compounds that don't last as long on the pavement from my limited experience (friend used to have Thornbirds on his K5)

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

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I have had the BFG AT and AT KO's on 4 vehicles myself. They are a great all around tire. Quiet, well mannered on and off road. They pack up in sticky mud but in light mud they are OK. They are great in snow and on ice. I would not run anything else when looking for an AT tire. Rick

These tires seem to be getting some major support, definitely going to look into them more. My only worry is your comment about "packing up in sticky mud" but "OK in light mud". I see a lot of mud in my area, and most of it is clay-based and very sticky, so if you're trying to say these are NOT the tires for use in mud, that would be a huge strike against them.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

Any type of AT is going to clog up in mud. If you want good road manners, and long tread life, then the BFG AT's have you covered. They have the most aggressive tread of any AT tire I've seen. If you are going to be seeing alot of mud, your best bet would be to step up to a mud terrain tire. But, you'll get reduced tread life and road manners somewhat worse than an AT. If you do get Muds, get them siped.

"Don't tread on me."

 

i second that... if you are gonna see mud ... go with the BFG MTs ... they are *very* good on road (noiseless, no funky habbits) and offroad they are really good....

again, have them siped ... i run mine for 10kMiles and only used about 5%-10% of the tread (lightweight sami)

alfred

 

If you run in the mud a lot you should consider BFG mud terrain tires my son has then on his truck and his Jeep and he is very happy with them.

Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves.

 

I have always heard to only get MT's siped in the center lugs, so I'm assuming its the same with these? I do and will see a lot of clay-based mud, so a MT was my original thought, but then I was told that a MT tire will perform terribly on the snow (basically just bury itself), so I stuck with AT's. Like I said, I will see mud, but only when I want to... I will see a lot of snow and rain regardless of whether I want to or not... so on road manners (especially wet pavement and snow) are the most important. So I think I'll go with the BFG AT KO's for my daily driver and just not push my luck by venturing too deep into the mud. Thanks for all of the quick replies.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

By the way Pro-comp has a MT that is already sipped. They are buy 3 get one free as well. They would warrent some looking from me, for price alone.

If you don't mind the road noise then consider Super Swampers. But you realllly have to like the sound of humming tires. It didn't bother me on my YJ, but a nice daily driver it might.

Another option I will throught out is Goodyear MTR's. They have great road manners and a good offroad reputation as well. They have built that reputation quicker than any other tire that I have heard of.

If you see mud alot and want to perform good in it, avoid AT tread. Get a good quality MT that has the least on road trade-offs. I second everyones opinions here.

Jason

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[]llll[] '90 YJ & '88 Grand Waggie

 

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Another option I will throught out is Goodyear MTR's. They have great road manners and a good offroad reputation as well. They have built that reputation quicker than any other tire that I have heard of.

Yet another tire I was looking at when i wanted a MT. The looks of that tire alone make me want to own it. But in the past, I have heard just the opposite about their road manners, I believe the phrase was "unpredictable" on the pavement. I guess everyone will have different opinions because they are basing performance off of previous tires they have owned. I'm sure going from these Scorpions to a MT, I would initially say the MT's had poor road manners because I was used to an AT. MT or AT, what a decision.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

Snow, well you are going to have to ask someone else for that. We ain't got much snow here in LA(Lower Alabama). I usually only drive in snow when I take my 2 times a year ski trips. And I usully drive what ever tire they put on the rental then/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif.

Jason

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[]llll[] '90 YJ & '88 Grand Waggie

 

I've always ran the BFG AT's and still do....However, I have a question about the General Grabber AP's. How do they compare to the BFG's? (specifically the sidewall) The guy I spoke with at Nat'l Tre & Whl said that they were basically the same tire. I'm not sure if I believe him. This is for a beater 4x4 and I was interested in possibly saving $100.

78 CJ7 Golden Eagle/TR Ignition/Nuttered but soon to be Weberized

 

I'm running the BFG A/T's right now, 33/9.5
I was hoping to go to a 33/12.5 Mud BFG soon, but that deal fell through.

As for the A/T's, there fairly good all round, just don't go anywhere near mud. As soon as the lugs (if you can call them that) are covered in mud you may as well be running F1 racing slicks.

I got stuck 4 times in a small pond.
1) Backed in to pull out my buddy's dodge. Stuck.
2) Forward in to pull it out. Stuck.
3) Was on the dry stuff trying to pull out another tow vehicle that was pulling the dodge. Stuck.
4) Went up on a bank to pull from infront and never made it. Stuck.

All 4 times I had to be pulled out by my sister's cherokee which was firmly planted on the beach well out of the mud.

 

I had bfg's mt's on my wrangler for several years which was mostley a dailey driver and the performed great in the snow and mud. Hooked up well and went anywhere. They also should get you a few miles if you rotate when you are supposed to. I had 25k on mine and they were still in great shape and a buddy had some on a truck with 40k on them and they still had a few miles on them.

 

It's not too bad when you think, my Jeep is 12 years old has a speedo that forked, so it reads about 15% over (15% more k/m) and it only has 150,000 K's on it.

Convert that to Miles, minus the 15%, thats 12 years and two sets (maybe three) of tires.

 

I would recommend the BFG all terrains unless you plan on going through any mud that has a large clay content, because these tires will not throw it out. I have been running the Pro Comp MT since my BFG's wore out and i really like them since they have center tread siping like most all terrain tires

 

I have also worn out sets of BFG AT's, and typically get a minimum of 60K out of them, with a max of 73K. Great tire, I still buy them for the daily drivers and wouldn't think of buying anything else. However, if you're talking any clay like mud at all, forget them, they will cake up. Then again, so will most other tires (I have pics of MT'R, Claws, and even Swampers caked up).

The BFG MT is a good tire in the snow, but get them 1/2 worn and they suck. Same thing for the MT/R, I have a lot of friends running them and they are "squirrly" on the road when it's wet.

I am running a set of siped Swampers on the Zuk, and oh what a difference. They grip like glue, a completely different tire. They were siped out west as no one will sipe a tire in New England. Each block is cut into 10 little ones, and they flex independently. So far minimal chunking and no serious fly-off, and they are siped about 3/4 the way through the tread, a little more than normal as they are mainly off-road tires. I would think a siped BFG MT would be a great tire. One thing to consider, the siping places will only sipe a NEW tire, as older ones may have small rocks in them that will chew up the knife blades, so they can only be commercially siped when new. I have seen tires people have siped by hand, but have heard it takes a long time.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

JEEPN
Winter Harbor, Maine
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled, It's a Jeep, Chevy, IHC kinda thing!
'88.5 Zuki, 7" Lift, Locked, Swamped, Rolled, and just generally broken in right!

 

Thanks for the great info. I'm going to hold off on new tires at this point. My Scorpion AT's have a good 15-20k left on them, and I'm going to do an SOA lift probably next year. So instead of buying a new set of 31x10.50R15's and only using them for 15-20k, I'm just going to wait until after I do the lift and get some 33x12.50R15 MT's. Definitely going for the siping though, as I will still be driving the Amigo to wherever I'm wheeling it at.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades