Oh excuse me, I thought the "there really is no comparison remark, left you open for a little performance rebutal, my apologies. Please, dont try to compare to compare your Isuzu(guzhuntite) rig to the prowess of a Jeep, on a Jeep forumn, and then act all dejected and jilted when you get called on it. Im soory but we werent talking about length of oil change intervals, or air flow coefficients, when we were talking rivalries. If it hurts your feelings dont, jump into the arena, with your Isuzu(guzhuntite), and do a throw down. And I dont see much of a difference between the other Mercedez and Lincoln comparisons, sorry but thats just my humble opinion.

Jeff
89 YJ
Adversity is imminent, versatility is mandatory, misery is optional.

 

::YAWN::

Yeah well, get over it, my driveshaft is bigger than yours.... /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

'89 Comanche, '89 Wrangler, '74 Postal

 

I dunno Sycho, the driveshaft from my Suburban is pretty big. /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

pbm
There is a difference between being Educated and Intelligent!

 

Well, H8, Mercedes DOES have the kick-butt Gelandewagen and Unimog...not that I could afford it.

Isuzu DOES have the rock-hard Duramax diesel, though by putting it in a Chevy body, the life expectancy is reduced considerably....

None of which would even fit down the Rubicon, so i don't know why I felt the need to chime in...other than the fact that my last name is Buttinsky...it's Polish.


You can trust me with your life, your safety, and your property, but not too many nights in the same room with you.

 

The problem here is your attitude toward me just because I don't own a Jeep (even though I have). I wasn't trying to "jump into the arena", as you pointed out, this is a Jeep forum, so obviously its going to have a lot of people on it that are going to go into defense mode the second an Isuzu (ex-Jeep) guy tries to compare the two for major off-roading. Like i've already said (but will again since it appears to be necessary), I don't do any Rubicon level off-roading, so I don't know anything about it and have never in my life claimed to.

"Rivalry" is a term left vary open to interpertation. You said that "length of oil change, etc." isn't what you're talking about. Well, it was what I was talking about. IMO a Jeep, Isuzu, Toyota, whatever can be lifted and tuck some huge meats, and have a H.O. engine put in and be much better off-road than it was in stock form... but I like to go after something that is less-likely to break, and from my experience with BOTH Isuzu's and Jeeps, the Isuzu can take more abbuse. You're saying I'm wrong, but I don't remember you ever saying how much 1st hand experience you've had with both vehicles?

Lastly, why would I feel "dejected and jilted"? I was never trying to say anymore than I did in the first post, the contraversy came from you and I having a different definition of what makes a "rival" for a Jeep, and then you choosing to repeatedly take a defensive approach and tossing insults for no reason. The only issue here is the one YOU'VE created by choosing to jump my ass before ever attempting to step back and realize that I'm not making the accusations you claim I am. I'm not "jumping into the arena" or trying to "do a throw down" or anything else. I'm simply trying to say, once again, that IMO Isuzu's are built more solid: with no references to off-road capabilities other than breakage. If you would again like to take THIS post out of context in an attempt to futher an argument that was never actually present in the first place, then that's your choice, but I'm above it. The decent thing to do would be to realize that I am not guilty of that which you charge me and appologize for causing unnecessary hard feelings, but from my experience with you up to this point that won't happen. So say what you will about my truck and this post and the last few posts, but it all means nothing because it is based off of an argument that exists nowhere but in your own mind.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

Ooooo....this is gettin' ugly. /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

I think the biggest advantage Jeeps have over all other brands are the amount of aftermarket parts available for them. You could build a Jeep of almost any vintage from new parts sourced through Four Wheel Drive Hardware or Quadratec.

And did you ever notice how many owners of full size rigs and them "furrin'" jobs take their doors off "a la Jeep style" when they're out there wheeling? Hmmm...Jeep envy?

H8, I wouldn't get too worked up over our Amigo friend here. I am always amazed at what you and your Jeep do. Your pictures are better than what I've seen in magazines. Outstanding man!

strawmyers, I'm glad you came to the Jeep board to look for insight and to add your input. It shows you know who the real wheelers are, Jeepers. I'm not doubting the Amigo's abilities, and I'm sure it will still be running long after it's contemporaries. Everyone is free to express their opinion. I think you've just touched a nerve. Us Jeepers are a loyal bunch.

Ok, lecture done.

"Don't tread on me."

 

Isuzu,...Iiiisuzu, damn it all this sneezing, I think I may have caught a cold. Hehehe

Jeff
89 YJ
Adversity is imminent, versatility is mandatory, misery is optional.

 

In reply to:

straymyers, I'm glad you came to the Jeep board to look for insight and to add your input. It shows you know who the real wheelers are, Jeepers. I'm not doubting the Amigo's abilities, and I'm sure it will still be running long after it's contemporaries. Everyone is free to express their opinion. I think you've just touched a nerve. Us Jeepers are a loyal bunch.

And I appreciate you reading my posts with an open-mind and taking them for what they really said. If you do a search for my username in this section, you'll come across a post titled "Which tires would you get" from over a month ago. If you go to the 15th reply and go to the bottom of it, you'll see that I said "Glad I gave it a try, you Jeep boys really seem to know your stuff!" I have utmost respect for most Jeep owners and their very capable rides. My level of respect falls for those who live, eat, breath, sleep, and dream Jeep and are totally unable to accept that an Isuzu may actually be a decent recreational off-roader of its own; but what was said was said, and that's it; and that's fine because like you said "everyone is free to express their opinion". But in my opinion, the best way to promote the Jeep community is NOT by bashing the other off-road vehicles out there. I plan on putting this single ridiculous incident behind me and continuing to use this forum for its wealth of knowledge. My only hope is that others can be equally mature and not try to start something everytime I post a question.

BTW, I have an AT tire question posted on here if "someone" would like to reply to it as a symbol of burrying the hatchet.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

LOL... this is great. I have to throw in my little story... I had 3 friends meet up to go wheeling out at Hollister. Me, I drove my 83' CJ-5 stock w 31" tires. Friend #1 had an Amigo with 33" tires. Friend #2 had a 2000 chevy full size with what he said was "rubicon ready package". Friend #3 had 64' Land rover with f&r air lockers. Obviously #3 wins. But that Amigo went most everywhere I did.... However, it suffered Major body damage and took on a whole new look by the end of the day (heavy foot) The Chevy had front and rear limited slip and did great until the driver tried to go on a "jeep trail". He put a big dent in his brand new truck then he got pissed and parked it. Me, I have been saving for lockers ever since. I can't wait until I can keep up with that old Land rover.

strawmyers, I am sorry... but from what I have seen, there is no comparison

 

Quit your whinin about it.
Hey you started this whole thing.
Lets recall "Theres really no comparison. I mena 1st gen Amigos came stock with 31's, 4.55 gears and complete skid plates, plus the things are 10x harder to brake than a Jeep" or how about Yes I used to own a Wrangler, spent more time fixing THE THING than wheeling it", or my favorite "Jeeps are bad ass,..but break too easily for my needs"
Hey I mentioned in a post just before the reply to your comparison post, that there are many other capable rigs out there, Im sorry if you are one of the only people that feels the Amigo should be placed in the same circle of discussion as the Toyota LC, or PU, or EB's or other highly capable off road vehicles.
I keep an opened mind, but you said the things you said, and I responded, now wipe up the tears, and get over it.

Jeff
89 YJ
Adversity is imminent, versatility is mandatory, misery is optional.

 

Actually, it takes two people to start something: one person to make a statement and another person to make the conscious decision to respond in an aggressive manner towards said statement instead of just ignoring it. Its more of a 60/40 my fault/your fault, respectively. And despite the fact I made the initial statement, you're the one who persists in taking an aggressive manner even after I have made it clear that is not my intention. I think the fact that I'm NOT whining is what bothers you, because you have obviously tried to get under my skin with no avail. I'm going to lay it out for you here, and you can either let it be done, or continue to attack me in the low-class manner you've displayed up to this point. So here goes... I have stated on a few occasions that I off-road RECREATIONALLY. As far as first-hand experience with hardcore off-roading, I don't know [censored]. I'm just a guy who's new to the off-road scene. I'm very proud of my truck because I bought and did all of the work on it myself, so since I feel so proud of it, I sometimes "talk it up" as many people do when they're new to something. I know my Amigo probably isn't up to par with your Jeep, nor do I need it to be. All I'm saying is that I feel it is built tough, and has always been capable enough off-road to fit my needs up to this point, something my stock Wrangler 4cyl was not because the rear axle gave me problems on 3 separate occasions. Proving you know more about this stuff than me is just wasting your time by proving the obvious. If I was making such ridiculous comments in the first place, you could have offered to share some of your knowledge with me so that this newbie would be better informed for the future, but you chose otherwise. So I'm proud of my Amigo, its does all I ask it to, and thats all i'd ever expect of it.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

rant

Ahem, side note, H8 is wayyyy cooler then you.

I mean, he drives a YJ not an Amigo, he's got OBA, SOA, 6pt cage, and 38?" tires. not to mention the neat-o cargo netting on the back (for roll over equiptment catching I suppose.)

He looks like a bad ass biker. He could mash your brains into pulp with a hi-lift, and he can bend axles back into straight by just pushing them over his knee. (Tubes, Shafts, Diffs and all.)

I'm not saying I want to marry him, I'm just wondering why your arguing with him. You seem to me like one of those kids who knows damn well he cant swim but still jumps in the deep end.

I think you should apologise and accept that Jeeps could out wheel amigo's anyday, cause otherwise your liable to wake up with your Rice looking contraption 1/2 way down the street with a tire mark in the roof approxomately 14.5" wide.

Just a question, Do you own a Jeep?

/rant

Have a nice day.

 

In reply to:

I know my Amigo probably isn't up to par with your Jeep

When you're right.... you're really, really right.
Here's why we're so defensive. You talk about being proud that you "built" your Isuzu. I don't think of dropping a bolt-in exhaust, a K&N filter, and a 2" lift kit on anything more than accessorizing....
I BUILT my Jeepster. I bolted in the tranny and T-case. I bolted on the SOA and built the power steering and swapped the axles and put in fuel injection. I BUILT my Jeepster to tackle trails that a lesser vehicle would wimper at...

But if fire roads and mild forest drives are all you can handle then all you really need to drive is an Isuzu. Just don't make the mistake of dragging that thing up a real trail or a more fit vehicle might think you're an obstacle...

Josh
1968 Halfcab - SOA, Twisters, 35's, D44's(4.27), T-18, D20, P/S, Pro-Jection!

 

i think most of the rivalries are imagined. yes there is a yota fj (fake jeep)vs jeep and a kinda new sami vs jeep rivalry but thast about it. these fellers at mybigbronco and colorado k5 like to go on about thier rivalries with jeeps but i mean please! ive got a bronco and have had a k5 these lumbering behemoths couldnt hang with my jeep if thier lives depended on it. i pretty much consider any non-wildly modified fullsize to be a non issue on a good trail. and we must remember on ething of k5s, broncos, fj40s and jeeps which is the only one still in production? yup jeeps.
of course for the street ill stick with my Z71 ( i like having a heater)

Korans make excelent toilet paper.

 

its as easy as that....

i dont care what you bought, i just care what you built!!!!

having said that, to me a "built" amigo is more interesting than a stock TJ or YJ or ToyPU or whatever...(and vice versa)

the whole jeep vs XXXX cr@p is getting old... its like two great painters arguing over what canvas is best... its not the canvas that makes a picasso a picasso ;o)

cheers,
alfred

 

oh and the TJ vs YJ vs CJ is out there running rampid! i always enjoy wheeling with the TJ that thinks he is superior with the NEW coil suspension. they are very awesome and at times i think of buying a new jeep but i would feel like a TRAITOR!

 

In reply to:

You talk about being proud that you "built" your Isuzu. I don't think of dropping a bolt-in exhaust, a K&N filter, and a 2" lift kit on anything more than accessorizing....

Actually, I said I did all of the work on my Amigo myself and it came built solid from the factory.... there's that little problem with people not reading my posts accurately.... but nice try.
H8, to your little buddy up there, it means little to me if he is a 5.2 anorexic 16 year old or a 6'8 350 lb ultimate fighting champion, there's no reason to continue being a dick. And if I were him, I wouldn't want you saying that I might drive over there and run over your Amigo; because for someone to actually get so worked up over a thread on the internet to do that they would have to be total trash, and I'm sure that's not how he wants to be portrayed.

In reply to:

But if fire roads and mild forest drives are all you can handle then all you really need to drive is an Isuzu

Actually, that's not all I can handle, but I'm not interested in doing a lot more than that in my daily driver because I don't want it all beat up. But I appreciate you finally admitting that my truck is great for my needs!

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

In reply to:

Here's why we're so defensive. You talk about being proud that you "built" your Isuzu.

Well, considering I never said I "built" my Amigo, it looks like you shouldn't be getting so defensive. (saying I do all of my own work is not saying I built it... I bought it no assembly required ) Once again someone misrepresents something I say, but I'm sure instead of admitting they were wrong on this one, they'll just continue to argue. Thats fine, i've got as much time to make pointless posts as you do.

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

I have an ongoing fun rivalry with one of my brother's friends. He drives and older Pathfinder, basically stock, but he drives it right. He used to always bug me by saying - doesn't Barbie drive a Jeep. Then I ask him if he wants to hit the trails. Well then the cream rises to the top - I don't know he says, my tires are old. He has gone wheeling with us and does pretty well. In fact I got hung up bad in the snow once, he attached the tow strap, backed up his rig until the strap was tight, turned off the ingition and went and got the camera - it's his favourtie picture.

So now whenever he's up at the cottage, I play a little game - P!ss on the Pathfinder, he always leaves with clean tires.

It's all in fun though.

Just my story

Rob


Far better to remain silent and thought a fool,
Than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

 

Not to weigh in on the "Who's cooler" thing goin' on here (I think it's pretty clear), I'd just like to note that anyone who believes it is harder to damage an Amigo than a wrangler, stock for stock, needs to reexamine his IFS front end.

I Jeep, therefore I am.

 

Personally I don't care about brand, I'm more into cost. If a 30-year old jeep with $15k worth of mods can beat my $11k stock Ram, it's not much surprise. But if I can take my $2000 CJ and manage to whup... well, basically anything with 4WD... I feel pretty good. Maybe it's the Scotsman in me that likes the notion of being a tightwad wheeler (if there can exist such a creature). That's why Land Rovers will never be good off-road vehicles for me, they just cost way too damn much.

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you

 

Well H8, despite a bunch of your buddies jumping in on this, I have yet to hear anything negative from you in awhile. On top of that, I've noticed you posted twice in my AT tire question area. Not only does this show that you're willing to help me out despite our differences, it shows that you're above trying to drag this argument to other sections where it doesn't belong. So apparently you have a lot more character than your friends make it seem, and in all fairness, more character than I had previously given you credit. So with that, I'm done arguing with YOU on this, as I see no point in myself being an ass and arguing with someone that tried to help me by replying to my tire post. But if all of your admirers want to continue all of this, i'll be here... though I have better things to be doing (and would hope that they do too).

'93 Amigo XS 4x4
2" susp. 31x10.50R15 Pirelli Scorpion AT's, Rancho 5000's, tons of engine/exhaust upgrades

 

My goodness, has this thread taken quite a few twists and turns. /wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif Thank you one and all. I got the answer I was looking for, and them some. /wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif

I think we've all said enough. Moderator, please lock this thread down.

"Don't tread on me."

 

Isn't it: "Anything I have is better than anything you have."

That is the common problem with all these rivalrys. I have had fullsize fords and chevys, several toyota pickups, landcruiser, several different vintage jeeps, and two sons have or had dodges. Personally, they all have their problems. One son still has a dodge, the other just purchased a new tacoma, I have a Toy pickup that I use when I need to go somewhere and make it back. The jeep is for playing. It can break, and usually does, but it is no big thing, I am building it and I am prepared for setbacks.

I do have to qualify the following comments, I have not wheeled in a TJ yet, and am not aware of there durabililty or relyabililty. The only people I know with TJ's would not think of getting them dirty, one dosn't even know how to put it in 4wd.

I do believe the Toy is much more reliable in stock form than any jeep. I know a lot of you folks have jeeps that have a million miles on them and have never had a problem. But sorry, from my experience, you seem to be the exception. I have several family members that purchased cherokee's, that spent more time in the shop than on the road. Jeep replaced one of them and the problem continued. The other one they got fed up with and sold. The problems had nothing to do with the drivetrain durablilty, it was electronics. One of my co workers purchased new a grand cherokee, now about 3 or 4 years old, he purchased it for a work vehicle, makeing house calls. He dosn't use it any more because it is not reliable. Instead, he relies on a 13 yr old 3/4t chevy truck with lots of miles and dents from working with horses.

As far as offroad capability is concerned, I have to agree wholeheartedly with H8, there are a lot of very capable toyotas, fords, chevys, (sorry, not to many capable dodges around here) that would rival a jeep. Yea, my toy won't go where my jeep will, but my toy dosn't have lockers, big meats, big lift, etc.

When they were both stock, the toy would keep up with the jeep except when size was a concern. But my toy has hauled 8500# of loaded trailer down the highway, Lets see a cj do that.


Enjoying Montana's Big Sky

 

You guys better stop it, or I'M gonna be havin' Jeep for dinner in the Big Bad Blue Zuki!!! /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

Just kidding! /wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif

-Derek Schwab
'97 Sidekick Sport
'83 CJ-7