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Any experience with the super 35 kit??

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I am considering the new super 35 kit with the detroit and wanted to hear any good or bad things about either the new one or the old one. I know about retaining the small ring and pinion and the supposedly weak housing. I want to hear about things with the kit in particular. Anyone break an axle with one yet?
Thanks,
Aaron

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My only experience with it is a guy in my club. He's running a supercharged 4 banger, 4.56 gears, and 33" M/T's. He has the old style with the lock rite and hasn't had a bit of trouble.

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John
95.5 YJ with "stuff"
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How much do these Super35 kits cost? And would they be any stronger than a Ford 8.8" swap from an Explorer?


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I've been running the Super 35 kit in my 94YJ w/ 4.0, 5sp, 4.56s, and 33s for over a year now without any problems other than the typical lockrite "popping".

As far as I know, the lockrite is the only locker available since this kit has to fit in a 35C housing but has 30 spline axles.

I have been using the Super 35 kit with the power-trax since Nov. 1998. There was no Detroit Locker option. It is a solid kit. The carrier is heat treated and machine polished for stress relief. The torrington style bearings are a good idea. I run 34" TSL's on the trail and 29" Thornbirds on the street with no problems. I also run a con-fer skid plate/axle truss to help eliminate the weak axle housing problem. What gears are you running??

Hank

In response to the D35 being as strong as a Ford 8.8, there are no parts available that can make a D35 as strong as an 8.8. The 8.8 is basicly the same specs as aFord 9" minus the double pinion bearings. If you just take them apart you can see the difference. the 8.8 has a 1.625 in pinion shaft,31 splines,3.25" axle tubes, and very stout R&P, NO comparison in any configuration.
Jeff
89 Wrangler

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Well I have the new kit with the full blown Detriot Locker. Yes it does the Detriot pop here and there but it is fantastic off road. The Ford 8.8 is just smaller than the Dana 44 and the Ford 9 is just larger than the Dana 44. The Super 35 axles are the same size as the Dana 44, they are 30 spline, and I run 33 in. Boggers with 4.56 gears and I can say that they are tough as nails. The Detriot Locker has only been coming with the kit since the begining of March. Really though, look at the advantages, you get the strength of a Dana 44 w/ 30 splines inside of a Dana 35 housing. This means that you still have more ground clearence, how can you beat this.

Aaron
95YJ SOA
w/many mods
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Actually the Ford 9" is the largest, followed by the 8.8", and finally, the baby of the bunch, the dana 44.
dana 44- 1.31" 30 spline shafts, 8.5" ring gear
ford 8.8"- 1.321" 31 spline shafts, 8.8" ring gear
ford 9"- 1.5" 35 or 31 spline shafts, 9" ring gear
at least to the best of my knowledge
Russ
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The Ford 8.8 has a larger R&P than the D44(8.5"), if you ever take one apart though you can see the real difference the pinion shaft is a good 1/4" larger, the axle shaft are slightly larger than the D44,. the D44 is rated to about 3500 lbs the Ford 8.8 is rated to 3850 - 4250. The main thing though is to compare the 2 side by side and you will see the difference the ring gear is way heavier and thicker, the pinion shaft is the same way. The 8.8 specs out identical to a Ford 9" except for double pinion bearings and slightly smaller diameter ring gear, its only drawback is the c clip but the disc brake version is Semi floating and the axle is held in place by 4 3/8 bolts from a flange at the bearings to the disc brake backing plate. I just got off the phone with Dynatrac on Tuesday and he was the one who gave the Lb ratings for the two axles, and stated that the F 8.8 was substantialy stronger in a rear end application than D44.
The ring and pinion sizes and axle diameters and pinion diameters are speced out in a 4X4 power mag from about 6 months ago. The actual observations of the 2 were conducted in my friends garage about 6 weeks ago when I installed an 8.8 in my YJ. Look at the picture the axle tubes are also much larger(3.25 inches) and thicker tubing. By the way Currie uses the ford 8.8 gears in the high pinion 9".
Jeff
89 Wrangler


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By the way I have a 89 D35(no c clip untill 90)for sale, with 4.56 gears, a Detroit and spring perches set up for SOA or SUA(I never cut off the stock perches). It has fresh axles, bearrings and brakes. Let me know if anyone is interested, I just ran an add in the local fish rap today. Im not trying to get rich off of it I just dont want to haul it from job to job.
Jeff
89 Wrangler

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A friend of mine is beta testing a Super 35 kit with 4.88 gears and 35 spline axles, using a Detroit locker. So far he's had it on Sledgehammer, Clawhammer and Sun Bonnet with no problems.
Rob

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I think I'll wait until that comes out. That would be awesome to have 35 spline axles in a D35. I wish they would consider 35 spline axles and an ARB. Of course the ring and pinion would still be weak garbage but I haven't broken a set yet and gears are cheap enough to carry a spare set for that once every couple years I might break them. As for the D35 housing being weak: I haven't heard of or seen a TJ D35 housing that has bent or flexed from regular offroad usage. Of course jumping is not included in regular wheeling.
Aaron

That 35 spline with a Detroit would be a strong set up. And I havent seen or had any problems with the D35 axle tubes either,I was just pointing out the extra brawn of the Ford 8.8 construction. The only other problem I have with these expensive axle build ups is the same problem I'm having with my D30 front axle at the time, with all of the high dollar Warn products. you end up only able to replace a broken or bent axle component from the manufacturer. In the case of the Super 35 "Superior", that means more expensive repairs. And more time required to have parts shipped etc. , youll never find a spare at a junk yard, and heaven forbid they get a run the product and it goes on back order. A Ford 8.8 with disc brakes is also cheaper than the Super 35 kit, with no limitations on your choice of locker, and disc brakes to boot. And you could turn around and sell your D35 to absorb costs. Something to think about.
Jeff
89 Wrangler

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Well I really don't have it that easy. Swapping a larger rear end into a TJ is an expensive thing. A cutom made rear end will run about $2300 - $4000 including shipping. Buying an 8.8" at a boneyard is an option but the brackets needed to make it work under the TJ are about $300 plus finding someone capable of welding them on properly. Gear set up, brackets, welding labor, gears, locker, misc parts and I am over $2000 again. The super 35 is less than $1000. Don't get me wrong I would love to have a Currie high pinion 8.8" but I can't afford it along with all of the other things I want. If in two years I want to get that Currie rear end then I can sell my Super 35ed D35 and get more out of it and take a small loss. As for axles...well if I were to break a 35 spline axle in a Super 35 then I would be able to break a 31 spline axle in an 8.8". You can however use your original 27 spline axles as spares if needed. Of course changing out the carrier and gears would be needed too.
Aaron

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Aaron,
How much did the new kit with the Detroit cost you and how long did it take to install? Thanks.
Mike

I have to speak up again - There are several advantages to the Super 35 kit. Cost is the biggest unless you have experience in welding on axle tubes, you cannot go the junkyard, get a beefier rear end that will bolt in for less money. Ground clearance - 1.25" for a D44 almost 1.75" for an 8.8, and almost 2" for a 9" depending on how it was trussed at the factory. Alloy axle shafts - even though other similar "next size up" rear ends have the the same or slightly larger axles, the alloy is flexible and has a longer fatigue cycle resulting in much more abuse before breakage. Weight - the D35 is the lightweight of the bunch.

Superior Axle's engineers only see the axle tubes as the weak link here. Under heavy abuse the tubes flex and may fail or loose seal at the pumpkin, or worst yet they may spin in the housing. Drivetrain Direct is working to build a lightweight truss to help eliminate these problems. As I said earlier, I run the Con Fer axle truss/skid plate. With a little care, a tension gauge, and a torque wrench, you can add enough preload to keep the tubes from flexing too much, and seat the skid plate on the chunk to add additional resistance to rotation by the tubes in the chunk.

Now that the kit is offered with the Detroit Locker - it is a serious kit. The ARB would be the mack-daddy!!!

Hank
88 YJ (sort of)

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Well I have scrapped the super 35 idea. So the 8.8" it is. I met a guy at a run a week ago and he said he has a disc brake 8.8" with 3.73 gears and a ltd slip. He is a pro welder and if I buy the RE brackets he will weld them on for $150. I will have to drive to Michigan to do it but for the same price as the Super 35 I will have the 8.8" rear end. Then I will get a spool and be done with it. On to more interesting things after this one.
Aaron

Hank,
I cant understand why Superiors engineers are only concerned with the axle tubes as a weak link. Unless they are driving them with a chiffon touch durring testing, they should have immediately been cocerned with the contantly failing pinion yoke. High strength axle shafts can added to any rear axle with immediate improvements in strength, but you are still dealing with a relatively small pinion shaft, ring gear and carrier, I mean lets face it Jeep was trying to skimp to save money when they went to the D35, its an inexpensive , very light axle with very few hard core attributes. You can build it piece by piece with HD parts untill youve spent enough money on super expensive high tech parts to have had an inheirantly stronger axle swapped into place, and you still have a D35. If these kits were only about $500 Id think sure go for it as an interim axle at least but when you start talking $1000 and up just for the parts, you are getting very close to axle swap of your choice prices (just for parts) plus you could turn around and sell your D35 to off set costs. By the way where did you get your stats for ground clearance loss for the 8.8? I gave up only 1 " of clearance measured just before and immediately after the swap. Arron is getting ready to perform an 8.8 swap Ive asked him if he could measure before and after so we can establish how much clearance is being affected. The only thing that should alter differences in ground clearance between different installs would be pinion angle. Later,

Jeff
89 Wrangler
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