That's pretty funny. I wonder if it is really ture, or if it would actually work?

91 YJ 4in lift waiting in the garage till March !
"It takes a special type of person to drink a cup of coffee in a jeep"

 

I don't think the police would see the humour in it. Something about filing false reports, but it probably would get them there much quicker.

Rick
80 CJ7

 

It could very well be true....something similar has happened to me (I was on the responding end)...the caller said he was on his way to the back yard to shoot who ever was out there. You couldn't actually charge him with filing a false report, because he never filed a report...he only told a lie on the phone. And you would never be able to prosecute it in court. The police would have a hard time explaining why they didn't have units available for the first call, but plenty for the second. Even though I'm pro-police (oh wait, I am one)...I would still side with the guy...burglar's are only about 1-2 notches down from child molestors and rapists....

John...
84CJ7, 3"lift, 32"BFG, 4.10's, R/ARB, F/Detroit, Onboard Air....89 Cherokee - New Project

They say we learn by our mistakes.....I guess thats why we are all so smart.

 

ummm.....everybody I know WOULD have shot them THEN called the police....maybe....that or drag the bodies out where it looked like a bear got them....but, hey, that's frontier justice for you!

JUST KIDDING!

Actually, I would have gone out with the Remington 870 and the 1911A1 and hastened them off the property though. Been there, done that. First time was when I was house sitting and someone tried to get into the place. Evidently he thought the Colt Python I had in my hand was sufficent deterrent.

I've got a lot of friends who are either city police or Troopers, but when you live a bit out of town, it takes a while for them to get to you, so you have to be able to take care of yourself.

It's all a state of mind, and if you don't mention the state of my mind, I'll be happy to overlook yours!

 

so living in a rural area my buddy notices a car at the end of his drive parked there with out its lights on, so he goes down to the end(good couple hundred yards+)with the 357 in hand gets to the car and asked whats going on the guy sorta stutters and says "please be careful i'm just reaching into my top pocket" pulls out a badge buddy puts his gun in his back pocket. cop gets out, pulls his gun makes him spread eagle on the car takes the gun ,handcuffs him calls back-up, back-up calms first cop down they let my buddy go with a ticket for brandishing a weapon he ain't been to court yet and is having a hassle getting his gun back. moral of the story if he would not had gun in hand everything might have been cool, the only time you have a gun in your hand is when your willing to pull the trigger and live with the consequence.

taco
78cj7

 

Hindsight is wisdom on that one. Perhaps he should have waited for them to attempt to invade his house before brandishing lethal force? On the other hand, if he deemed it necessary to confront the suspicious waiting car, and the guy wasn't a cop, but pulled a gun instead, unarmed he might have been dead. You really gotta be careful about what choices you make about entering a situation. Right or wrong, he made the choice to confront them. I've done the same, but only had a camera, piece of rebar and a combat knife in my waistband. I snapped a picture first, then confronted them with what I thought would provide me with reasonable tools of defence. We had been experiencing daytime breakins in the neighbourhood and a neighbour going out to the lake called about the suspicious car watching their home.

We've been known to dish out some hockey stick justice in this neighbourhood to prowlers and hooligans.

84 CJ7, 258, HEI, M/C 2100 carb, 5 inch lift, RS9000's, 33x12.5 BFG M/T's, 4.56's and Detroit softlocker, full cage & belts, Xenon flares, Dana 44 rear, GM dual diaphragm brake booster

 

in response to camo i would rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it our constitution allows us to keep and bear arms so if he had a legal permit for the gun he should have been completely in the right

jeep the first 4 wheel drive the only 4 wheel drive

 

Ain't that the truth! Unfortunately our Charter of Rights here in Canada doesn't afford us the same right to bare arms. Our government is currently spending our tax dollars to disarm hunters and collectors. They've spun it into a women's rights issue as some nut tragically killed a dozen women on a college campus years ago and they are using that as justification to disarm the public. Public safety issue they call it.

84 CJ7, 258, HEI, M/C 2100 carb, 5 inch lift, RS9000's, 33x12.5 BFG M/T's, 4.56's and Detroit softlocker, full cage & belts, Xenon flares, Dana 44 rear, GM dual diaphragm brake booster

 

I think all of these stories illustrate a couple of important points and I would like to pull a TR and get a little long winded (Arron, just a friendly yank our your chain).

Believe it or not, even though I'm in law enforcement, I fully support one's right to bear arms...."provided" he follows some simple rules. Where people get into trouble is one key element called "Intent". Allow me to explain.

I guy breaks into a house. Finds out someone in is home. He grabs a knife out of the kitchen and injures or kills the homeowner. His defense? Self Defense. Why? Because he did not bring a weapon to the house, he did not 'Intend' to hurt anyone...all he was trying to do was protect himself from the violent homeowner who attached him. He will go to jail for burlary, but not murder. Now this is an extreem case, but it has happened.

How many people belive that if you catch someone at your door with a gun and you shoot him, that you need to drag him in the house? WRONG! If he has a gun, and does not belong there, if he is anywhere on your property, he is basically fair game. Once again, the key here is intent. Of course, you had better be prepared to show that he was 'intending' to hurt you. On the flip side: I guy breaks in and has no weapon and you kill him. You go to jail for murder. However, if it's your wife that kills him...she stands a chance. Not only do they look at intent, they also look at capability...i.e., you can physically defend yourself...however, your wife most likely can't. I know, some of you are already saying "go to the kitchen, get a knife and put it in his hand". Well, that don't work. Forensics.

We all know that you don't take a knife to a gun fight. Well, you also need to know that you don't take trouble to trouble. The courts don't think it is fair to shoot someone for steeling from your garage....how would you feel if it was your kid who was stealing and got shot? What it really boils down to is...if you catch someone in your garage and you have a gun...then 'detain' them...but if they get up and run off...oh well. Chances are they will never come back. If you see someone on your property...make sure they are commiting a crime before you attempt to 'detain' them...they just might be lost.

True case...a guy was drunk and went home. Walked in the house and was shot dead. Problem was, he was in the wrong house. He made no attempt to attack or hurt anyone. The door had been left unlocked...hence...he had no clue he was in the wrong house. The homeowner went to jail for manslaughter.

I would rather a person call in and say they see a gun than try to go out and take action themselves.

Ok...enough ranting.........



John...
84CJ7, 3"lift, 32"BFG, 4.10's, R/ARB, F/Detroit, Onboard Air....89 Cherokee - New Project

They say we learn by our mistakes.....I guess thats why we are all so smart.

 

I think all of these stories illustrate a couple of important points and I would like to pull a TR and get a little long winded (Arron, just a friendly yank our your chain).

Believe it or not, even though I'm in law enforcement, I fully support one's right to bear arms...."provided" he follows some simple rules. Where people get into trouble is one key element called "Intent". Allow me to explain.

I guy breaks into a house. Finds out someone in is home. He grabs a knife out of the kitchen and injures or kills the homeowner. His defense? Self Defense. Why? Because he did not bring a weapon to the house, he did not 'Intend' to hurt anyone...all he was trying to do was protect himself from the violent homeowner who attached him. He will go to jail for burlary, but not murder. Now this is an extreem case, but it has happened.

How many people belive that if you catch someone at your door with a gun and you shoot him, that you need to drag him in the house? WRONG! If he has a gun, and does not belong there, if he is anywhere on your property, he is basically fair game. Once again, the key here is intent. Of course, you had better be prepared to show that he was 'intending' to hurt you. On the flip side: I guy breaks in and has no weapon and you kill him. You go to jail for murder. However, if it's your wife that kills him...she stands a chance. Not only do they look at intent, they also look at capability...i.e., you can physically defend yourself...however, your wife most likely can't. I know, some of you are already saying "go to the kitchen, get a knife and put it in his hand". Well, that don't work. Forensics.

We all know that you don't take a knife to a gun fight. Well, you also need to know that you don't take trouble to trouble. The courts don't think it is fair to shoot someone for steeling from your garage....how would you feel if it was your kid who was stealing and got shot? What it really boils down to is...if you catch someone in your garage and you have a gun...then 'detain' them...but if they get up and run off...oh well. Chances are they will never come back. If you see someone on your property...make sure they are commiting a crime before you attempt to 'detain' them...they just might be lost.

True case...a guy was drunk and went home. Walked in the house and was shot dead. Problem was, he was in the wrong house. He made no attempt to attack or hurt anyone. The door had been left unlocked...hence...he had no clue he was in the wrong house. The homeowner went to jail for manslaughter.

I would rather a person call in and say they see a gun than try to go out and take action themselves.

Ok...enough ranting.........



John...
84CJ7, 3"lift, 32"BFG, 4.10's, R/ARB, F/Detroit, Onboard Air....89 Cherokee - New Project

They say we learn by our mistakes.....I guess thats why we are all so smart.

 

"remember bill c38 when you vote"

have you seen any of those old stickers around, I want one.

 

as a permit holder in the state of va. and after long b.s. talks with my bro-in-law who is a cop, i have rethought my weapons caring and attuitude. alot of us talk tuff and that is where problems start. i'm a nicer kinder person when caring and i will not have words with anybody and will walk away quikly. cuz i've got a family and don't need to spend time for acting tuff, also i'm a human and value life even some one else's. once that trigger is pulled that bullet is on its way and destiny will be forever changed. peering in a dead mans eyes that you shot over some thing as stupid as a simple argument or the stupid teenager who was stealing change out of your car is something you'll hafta live with and don't beleive you can so easily. just food for thought.

taco
78cj7

 

Ya but in Canada instead of carring fire arms and shooting people we just play sports with them...

Play a little hockey.. they can be the puck, maybe a little baseball.. golf? they are the ball..

In Anceint Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia, theft was a crime punishable by death. Breaking and entering was a death sentance, being caught red handed was a spear on spot offence.

I think theft is one of the lowest forms of crimial activity. Someone gets arrested for B&E and they go to prison for what 3-5 years? Ohh.. biggie.. especially in Canadian prisons.

If I ever caught someone in my house it'd be fire up the compressor.. make a lot of noise. If they have the guts to come down and investigate then I'd shoot them with a nailgun. Not letal, but it damn well hurts. (First hand experiance with that.)

If I'm in the Jeep.. 4D Cell Maglite should do the trick, and there's absolutely no way to prove pre-meditation... afterall it's just a flashlight.

 

I totally agree with you. We live in a culture where the realities of violence are severaly downplayed. Everyone jaws on and on about how "if I were there, they'd have been dead, blah blah blah" Even if someone is stealing your prized posessions, is it worth it to kill them? You can always get another chromed, monogrammed air wrench. If it were a different situation where a loved one's life was at risk, that'd be something else. But C'mon, we're talking about STUFF here. Finally, I don't know how many people really know what they are talking about when they say they'd be willing to shoot someone. I had someone in the sights of my rifle once, with intent to kill, and it gave me screaming nightmares for years. They were on my property, it probably would have been legal, but that didn't mean it would have been right.

MudFlap
93 S-10 in the works

 

Words of wisdom, only the dead forget, you live with it forever. I spent many years serving my country!

I am a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to keep up /wwwthreads_images/icons/shocked.gif
'85 Cj7,360,TH400,D300,Pro-jection,D44's,M/T's 35's,8274

 

I have been reading this stuff for a while.. I personally don't have a problem with people carrying guns, but I'm just glad they don't here.. I live in a fairly small town (32,000 ppl) and just had my garage broken into about 2 - 3 months ago.. Well just happened that he walked out of tha garage as me and 3 buddies were outside having a smoke.. I chased that guy with the maglite that he dropped for about 5 blocks before he finally got away.. I feel a little safer knowing that more than likely he isn't carrying a gun..

Just my thought on it all..

CarbonCopy

83 CJ7 / 77 AMC 304 / 3" Body Lift / Work in progress

 

lots of good points here to learn from

i think that the thing to keep in mind is are you sure that you want to use deadly force just because someone is stealing from you and if you do are the laws in your state really going to cover you when you do

i remember one western state having a "make my day" law and the way i understood it was that if someone entered your home they were fair game i'm not sure of all the details but do remember that B&E's went down real fast in that state the following year

now a question what is or was bill c38?

oh yeah the guy that said he was glad that they don't allow people to carry where he lives, think of it this way someone who is going to break into your house is not very likely to follow the laws on carrying a gun either, breaking the law is how he makes his living

the ones that most likely will follow the law are not normaly running around living life as a thug, but as in all groups of people there will always be morons that will foul things up