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Hi there,

i know this is not the ford board, but maybe somebody can help me out here.

The foto below is a 1980 Ford U-50 jeep. Anybody ever heard of this vehicle. The www does not seem to know it... btw... it is in chile, so it might be some Argentine/Brazil built truck...

any info highly welcome
alfred

'95 Stofttop, K&N, Snorkel, 4,5" SPOA, 31" BFG MT, 4,16gears, W5000 winch, skidplate, rear Rancho 9000 - other than that its bone-stock

 

[JEEPN]

Alfred, welcome to the SWB BBS. Nice pics wheeling at 12K altitude on the Zuki BBS, I can only imagine that stuff out here.

Lots of different countries bought rights to produce Jeep style vehicles, all of them were different. I know in Japan the Mitsubishi Corp used to build the CJ-3B still (I have a pic and a toy), but don't know anymore about it than that. Unfortunately I don't know if you'll get much help, we don't get a lot of exposure to those jeeps. I personally had never heard of one until you posted it. Sorry, but I'd love to know more about it.

JEEPN
Winter Harbor, Maine
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled, It's a Jeep, Chevy, IHC kinda thing!
'88.5 Zuki, 5" Calmini, Locked, Swamped, Rolled, and just generally broken in right!

 

[649]

Dont be suprised if you find a car outside the country you never heard of. Specialy a ford Jeep (I dont want to p!ss off any jeep people here, but ford did have one first). The real question is, can you talk the owner into selling it to you and shipping it to the U.S.? I would love to show up at a Jeep jamborie with it and see how people reacted.

 

[Dirt Dog]

Like was said, jeep sold the rights to build them ALL over the world. Some times it's hard to dig up info on alot of these because some of the companies are so small they only build a few hundred a year. Look farther on this board and do some searches. There has been all kinds of these posted from time to time. Good luck.

http://home1.gte.net/rythem/davescj7.htm
[email protected]
"Get your finger outta there"

 

[Guest]

You will find all kinds of different cars in other countries. In Brazil, I think the original style VW Beetle is still produced. And in Argentina, I know at least until the 80's the old 60's style Ford Falcon was made.
And the reason that Ford built Jeeps in America is because Willys couldn't meet the production during WWII, so Jeeps were subbed to Ford. Willy's had the original contract. Trust me, If Ford would have had the original rights, they would own the Jeep name. It took Ford until 1966 to even begin to compete with the Jeeps, with their Bronco platform.

Cage Up, Wheels Down
Jeepfiend
All my Jeeps are in pieces!

 

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OK, folks, here's the update...

As far as i learned from a chilean board...

the ford u-50 is made in brazil and sold to many army's in S-america as late as in the 80ies. I guess its the same Mitsubishi/Mahirinda(sp?), etc... deal... they sold the whole platform.

It sports a 2,5L 4cyl. engine and front and rear Danas 44s (yummi, isn't it?). Donno anything about tranny/transfer.

oh... yeah... they were used with a top mounted heavy machine gun ... don't know if this was a factory or a dealer option, tho ..... ;oP

later,
Alfred

ps: for you experts... granted what you can see from the poor fotos... what platform would this be ??? the cj3B? ... tuff call .... as always THANKS!

pps: If you would like to see pix of my sami running at 12.000+ft in the chilean andes, check out:

http://www.geocities.com/jaimecruz4x4/

(can somebody make it clicky?)

'95 Stofttop, K&N, Snorkel, 4,5" SPOA, 31" BFG MT, 4,16gears, W5000 winch, skidplate, rear Rancho 9000 - other than that its bone-stock

 

[JEEPN]

http://www.geocities.com/jaimecruz4x4/

Do you have a better picture? Looks like the CJ-5/M-38A1 platform to me.

JEEPN
Winter Harbor, Maine
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled, It's a Jeep, Chevy, IHC kinda thing!
'88.5 Zuki, 5" Calmini, Locked, Swamped, Rolled, and just generally broken in right!

 

[250]

Thanks, bro...

hmmm... i got very good news again... a guy on the chilean list had one, and it comes suposedly w/ 3 shifters, one of which is to lock up front and rear... so how does that sound?

I also managed to get a better foto... looks short for a cj5 platform, but way cool....

opinions?

thx
Alfred

'95 Stofttop, K&N, Snorkel, 4,5" SPOA, 31" BFG MT, 4,16gears, W5000 winch, skidplate, rear Rancho 9000 - other than that its bone-stock

 

[JEEPN]

Looks like an early CJ-5, they were a few inches shorter than a newer CJ-5, they also had 3 shifters.

JEEPN
Winter Harbor, Maine
'81 CJ-8 Scrambled, It's a Jeep, Chevy, IHC kinda thing!
'88.5 Zuki, 5" Calmini, Locked, Swamped, Rolled, and just generally broken in right!

 

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JimmytheTech

Uh, Ford did have one what first?

Rockcrusher
Nevada ORU
http://www.rockcrusher4x4.com

 

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The three shifters normally controll:
#1-Transmission
#2-Transfer-case, 2wd/4wd (can be modified to front/4x4/rear)
#3-Transfer-case, hi-range/neutral/low-range

 

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In the 1940s and 1950s, there was a division of Willys, called "Willys Brasil". This division continued on independently after Willys was bought by Kaiser here in the US. It was this Willys Brasil that Ford bought at some point in time.

The reason that Ford built Jeeps in WWll, after losing the contract to Willys was because the Army wanted Ford to be the primary contractor all along but the Willys prototype proved thru testing that it was the superior design platform in most respects. Truth be told, it was Bantam, who designed the original Jeep, who got shafted. Anyway, in order to fill the huge order that the US was required to meet for the "truck 1/4 ton, 4x4" (not only for itself but the allies as well), Ford was "invited" to build Jeeps to the Willys design (actually, the property of the US Army; Willys got no compensation from Ford). Ford designated these vehicles GPW, (Goverment contract, 80" wheelbase reconnaisance car, Willys design; not "General Purpose Willys", as legend has it erroriously). After the war, Willys got the patent for the vehicle and name "Jeep" and Ford didn't contest Willys application for a patent./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

 

[Guest]

By the way, boys, a company by the name of Mahindra & Mahindra, in India, still builds under license, CJ 3's, 4's YES, 4's, Flatties, and even crew cab versions, and panmel van versions...do a search on the web, i kid you not....you can, technically go out and buy a 2001 CJ-4...but they call it something other than a Jeep...and they ARE available with DIESELS!!! Why not here???? Damn DOT!

mike

Give me Jeep or Give me Death!!!

(Will trade functioning organs for CJ-7 or flatfender)

 

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right, but the marhinda cj4 has nothing to do w/ the "lost" willys cj4 prototype...they just filled a gap between cj3 and cj5 ;o)

and the indian cj3bs suck, there are cases where a NEW marhrinda jeep did not pass safety inspection in GB (obviosly quite a lot of them) - which lead to legal battles between the sour owners, the importer and the indian factory. Thats why they stopped importing them to europe after a yr or so...

as far as i know they come w/ a peugeot diesel engine

(you can see, i did my homework on willys :0)

later
alfred

'95 Stofttop, K&N, Snorkel, 4,5" SPOA, 31" BFG MT, 4,16gears, W5000 winch, skidplate, rear Rancho 9000 - other than that its bone-stock

 

[649]

rockcrusher..Ford was building the gpw before willys started construction of what is now called the jeep, but they were not in mass production. Ford started mass producing them during the war like everyone said. But then everyone was building military equiptment then(cadilac was building tanks believe it or not). Really, no one was producing jeeps back then, The name jeep didn't come around until after the war.

 

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The Mahindra Jeeps would not pass a US emission inspection; neither would the South American built ones, so even if you could afford to buy one and ship it here, you couldn't run it./wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif

What happened back in 1941 was while Willys was tooling up to build the MB, Ford and Bantam went on building the preproduction Jeeps as a stopgap measure; the Ford pre prod. model was called the GP and the Bantam was called the BRC-40. The Willys pre production model, the MA, was discontinued after 1500 copies and now, as a result of that, is the rarest preproduction model Jeep today. I think it was the Bantam BRC-40s, which the Japanese captured on the Philipines, that was the model for their 4x4 vehicle, the ancestor of the Toyota Landcruiser./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

 

[ExtinctJeep]

Bantam beat them all (Ford and Willys) in designing the original Jeep. The army liked what they saw and invited Ford and Willys to look over the Bantam design and build their own concepts. These concepts were what was later used. The Willys design beat out Ford because of the stronger engine. In fact, the Ford copy of the jeep came in last in almost all of the amry tests.

It is true that the army experimented with a Ford product, a two wheel drive Ford model T stripped to the frame, which soon fell victim to army overdesign that made it too heavy for its drive system.

"The Story of Jeep" by Patrick R. Foster
Krause Publishing, copyright 1998


Fritz

Jeep...need I say more?

 

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Quite true, Extinct. The Willys Quad proved to be the superior mechanical design but the army like the overall layout of the Ford "Pygmy", even though it came in last in the three way test. The Pygmy still exists at the Alabama Military History Museum. If you've seen a picture of it, you can see the physical resemblance between it and the Willys MB and consequently all Jeep Universal models./wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

BTW, the "GP" and "GPW" Ford designations are the source of the myth that the name "Jeep" is a slurring of the term "General Purpose". This is untrue, of course. The GP never stood for General Purpose. The army officially called these vehicles "truck 1/4 ton, 4x4". /wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif

 

[rolandlpeeters]

Hi there,

i know this is not the ford board, but maybe somebody can help me out here.

The foto below is a 1980 Ford U-50 jeep. Anybody ever heard of this vehicle. The www does not seem to know it... btw... it is in chile, so it might be some Argentine/Brazil built truck...

any info highly welcome
alfred

'95 Stofttop, K&N, Snorkel, 4,5" SPOA, 31" BFG MT, 4,16gears, W5000 winch, skidplate, rear Rancho 9000 - other than that its bone-stock

They are Brazilian CJ5's basically. Or U-50's. Ford / Jeep shipped the parts to Brazil, there they were then assembled.
I have 2 of them.