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post #1 of (permalink) Old 12-23-2000, 08:59 AM Thread Starter
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OK "Calmini" the gauntlet obviously has been cast down. You guys sold (I purchased) me a shackle reverse lift system. Now a competitor has stated with no reservations, over and over again that your system is unsafe for over the road situations. I need a denial or some evidence that this is not true as I do travel daily on public highways with your system installed. If it's unsafe let me know so I can remove it in lieu of some other lift for on road use! Or alternately, if unsafe is there something that can be done to make the system safe. Don't get me wrong, i'm not making any allegations as I have had your system installed for over a year now and have not noted any problems. The poster who started the allegations and the ultra critical response from RRO obviously aimed point blank at a system that is nationally advertized. This needs to be responded to for the sake of us old farts that have two and four year old Grandkids that occasionally ride in "Poppa's Zuki." How about it guys, if the accuser has scientific documented evidence of the unsafe nature of the reverse system, post it. If the manufacturer of the reversal system has otherwise evidence, post it! If the allegations are false and the product is safe I recommend the manufacturer contact F. Lee Bailey's firm. Get on with it, I was going to purchase the rest of the system from Calmini for the total 5" lift. Don't know now with the unsafe allegations raised by the Calmini competitor.

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As a distributor for Calmini I will pick this up and pass it along to Steve directly. I am sure he will have a factual response. Please keep in mind it is a Holiday weekend, and I know for a fact he left this AM early to go hunting. I wouldn't expect a response until Tuesday or so. I will not even try to respond to this since it is directed towards Steve. He will speak for himself I am sure.

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I installed a used SR in the early summer and have only noticed that it improves things like ride and handling. The guy I bought it from had it on for a few years and did heavy offroad use with it and it showed no signs of damage or abuse. Other than nose-dive what is supposed to be the problem? I have young kids also that ride with me all the time and would like to know. Jim

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Oh my God. You guys just can't read.

Once again, I said nothing about any company. What I said was...

We sell shackle reverse kits, we feel they are for offroad use only.

Please..... for the love of God, let this sink in!

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Sory for the mention of "Calmini." But as the one of the larger Zuk specialist after market suppliers I perceived a possible inference. My only reason for jumping into he fray is to try to get to the truth. "IS THE SHACKLE REVERSE SYSTEM SAFE FOR OVER THE PUBLIC HIGHWAYS?)Regardless of who sells the system. Even cigarette packaging comes with a dire warning, but the overwhelming scientific evidence has convinced most of the population to heed the warning. Where is the documentation for the "UNSAFE CLAIMS" for the over the road use of any manufactuers REVERSE SYSTEM. That's all I want to know. If convinced i'll remove the system and substitute a safe lift kit.

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I have never seen, nor do I think you will see <font color=blue>"documentation for the "UNSAFE CLAIMS" for the over the road use of any manufactuers REVERSE SYSTEM"</font color=blue>. That's not a study by general public as is smoking and the hazards of tobacco use. The claims, and I do agree, are from individuals who have used the system and are stating their conclusions based on use. If your system "feels" safe to you (specifically, the nose-dive at braking issue) then keep on using it. Any mod, if not used or handled properly, can be a dangerous thing . . . or a good thing if the driver knows it's there and knows how to handle it. -just my 2 cents

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Tim, That is why I asked if anyone had any supporting documentation concerning the hazzards of S/R kits on highways? If someone does, I would be just as intrested in reading it as the report written about Samurais being 'tippy'. I find it very confusing how two manufactures have two complete different opinions concerning SPOA and S/R...

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Is there any benefit here trying to pit one Zuk manufacturer against another here? Glenn has not made reference towards Calmini in the post's regarding S/R systems. Just against the S/R system itself, which is marketed by other companies than just RRO and Calmini. ANY time a owner modifies their truck suspension or otherwise there are inherent risk's to be considered in doing so. There are going to be many opinions as to the safety of each different modification, thats why we the many options we have to modify our trucks. If there was a true modification that truly increased the vehicle safety and yielded the desired affect the owner is looking for, we would have only one choice. Obviously this is not the case, so why all the BS here? No matter how far this topic is beaten, there are going to be opinions supporting the safety and opposing safety of the S/R on road mannerisms. Which opinion will be considered correct then? My guess is that the owner who likes the S/R system will find the Pro safety S/R opinion to his liking and discount the negative opinion and vice versa. So now we would be back at square one. We have a CHOICE for suspension and other mods-- thats a good thing. This Bullsh!t of " he said this, he said that" needs to stop. It only hurts our hobby of building our Zuks, no benefit to this that I can see. We are grown adults here, do we need this Soap Opra to continue? Research your planned mods as best you you can, read as many opinions from current users of the various mods in consideration and make your decision.
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Re: Calmini - Reply Double Standard

I agree with oldfartzuke. I also am concernedwith safty of my Family and was just wondering why are they considered unsafe. No name calling or finger pointing from me. Jim

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Oldfartzuk complaining about carrying your grandkids and it being unsafe,GUESS WHAT?YOUR DRIVING AN OFF ROAD VEHICLE!!!.What makes anyone think that a modification that involves lifting the center of gravity of a vehicle can be anything but "less safe".If your that concerned about their safety you should reconsider even using your rig offroad where your passengers are at more risk.Realize that the parts used to make a vehicle perform better offroad,are generally going to have adverse affects on it's roadability.Anyone who needs a legal disclaimer from a manufacturer,distributor,or otherwise to tell them this,should LEAVE THE SPORT ALONE!!.Face it when you build an offroader you sacrifice road use.There comes a point when the mods you do make it less than a daily driver,and it's up to you to decide when it's not the vehicle for that.If it bothers you that everyone in town doesn't see you driving around in your offroader that has your time and money in it,THEN YOU ARE A POSER!!!Just because Glenn W. has an SR kit to offer to customers who want one does not make him wrong or a hipocrite.Nothing says a retailer must only sell the part he thinks is best, if someone wants an an SR and wants to do business with RRO Why not?

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