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post #1 of (permalink) Old 05-31-2007, 05:02 PM Thread Starter
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Old Timers Opinnion wanted

ok well since this board is starting to show some life again Id like to get an opinion from the veteran zukers on this board...

I am building my 3rd zuk....first one died in the rollover last august.....the second one is kind of a reincarnation of that zuk....

but the 3rd one will be strictly a DD/road warrior for a 30 mile one way commute a day....

i am literally starting from a clean slate with a bare frame in the garage and a clean soft top tub outside....

the drivetrain will be stock axles....maybe a set of 4.30 gears
stock trans....
stock t-case...
1.6 8V EFI from the striped zuk
IFS yota p/s box


what suspension should i run????

i got plenty of stock springs....i got a set of yota's....

i was kind of kicking around rear yota's and coils in the front with a setup similar to the RRO coil kit (only home built)

SPOA? SPUA? what are your opinnions!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well for simplicity you can't beat YJ's either in SPOA or SPUA for on road and stock tcase I would lean towards SPUA yjs. if you really want to go with coils
that is do able. the majoe reason I went coils with the tracker was clearance up front. (the rocks I was playing in would have been hitting the leafs even more. )

If I was to build a street zook I would stretch it some for ride and go with a 16v
(but you have the 8v so stick with it ) Probly go for YJ's with damper adjustable
shocks so I could tweak the handling if needed. (Or go with a stiff shock to keep lean down unless you run some sway bars.)
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i was thinkin on either tryin to reuse the stock sway bar in the front and modify the links....or just build a panhard bar

i only got the coil idea cause of having pretty mucn a blamk slate of a frame sitting in my garage...the only thing thats been done is its set up for a yota IFS steering box.....the drivers side bumpstop, left front body mount, front shock mounts, and the rear shackle mounts have all been removed

and i got to rework the trans mount...

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took the words right outta my mouth, wildweasel.

We built mine (as you know) to be a capable trail rig but not give up too much in streetability. And as it stands, the only things I'd change if I were to lean more towards street would be a 1.6 (or 16v 1.3) and lose the rear spool. If I wasn't really ever going to do anything half serious on the trail I'd lose the front locker too (and gain snow and ice abilities) and finish the disc brake conversion with the rock magnet t-case mounted disc. That particular piece of gear isn t going back on any truck I take on a trail...

but when I do decide to do a trail I know for a fact that the traction aids I have make a huge difference. I can walk over stuff I would have to hit with speed or try a bunch of different lines to get over otherwise. And I have the winch to get out if I get in too far. That $300 investment has saved my arse more than once already.

Freebird: mine is a lot as WW says. I have YJs SPUA and I can tell you even without a wheelbase change they made a HUGE difference in the ride of the truck. I also run adjustable rancho shocks. I can air down and go soft on the shocks for trails and its downright pleasant over small rocks. On the street if I am going to do a lot of raod travel or highway I can turn the shocks up high and put 25 lbs in the 30x9.5 tires and it handles pretty darn good..no tippy stuff from SPOA, the whole geometry of the truck is nicely balanced at this point..around 3-4 inches of lift SPUA. I have folding shackles up froint and used to have them in the rear but the rear ones never opened no matter what I did, so I tossed them.

Because of the extra weight of the winch (and steel tube bumper) in the front I run a CJ helper spring leaf in my YJ 5 leaf front pack instead of the stock smallest leaf. This helps me stay level. My truck doesnt get a lot of use, but I do get onto light trail rides a half dozen times a year, usually on the spur of the moment, often when my kids and I are out on a nice day just enjoying the ride. I love how I can cruise around all day in the truck in comfort and then just steer off the road, lock 'em in and do some half serious woods trails. Exactly what I wanted out of this rig.
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unfortunatly all i got are 4 leaf packs but i got a set of yota leafs yere i can rob from if need be....


how did you mount your yj's? did you do a frame extension? im not going to run m/l's this is going to be a 99% street zuk. however the idea of a driveline t-case got me thinkin....i got most of an SJ410 t-case ebrake I may have to get the last part for and some new shoes and throw that into the mix and do a sammy caliper and disc rear disc swap.

i got all the brake lines stripped to run new ones so a prop valve would be easy to install.

im also plannin on open diffs for the snow/winter season

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I have coils, they work good, but the more I become an old timer the more I tend to stick to the basics. I over-built my rig, it can go anywhere, well except to work, the store or anywhere that requires the use of public roads. Its easy to fall into that trap. My sami was my daily driver, I miss driving it. In a good year it leaves my garage 3 times. If I ever get a chance to do it over there is alot I would do different, more like how daxe has his setup...

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my YJs are on TT hardware all around, no frame extension. In fact the TT kit moved the front axle forward an inch and I redrilled the perch to put it back in the stock location. I have this thing about the truck not looking TOO modded but still having nice abilities offroad.

forgot to mention I have the ford type front upper shock mounts and a sky rear mount to facilitate longer shocks. If you aren't using this on the trail that stuff is irrelevant, though.

I also forgot to mention that I have stock gearing in the diffs, but i have a GRSII T-case (thanks, G!). I run 30s. This winds pretty high at highway speeds, but I dont do highway speeds much and my motor is stock other than a pony carb and 2" cat back. From what I know, regearing the diff just compensates for taller tires without really affecting the rest of the driveline too much. The way I have it done puts the driveline at greater risk because it multiplies torque coming out of the T-case and puts the stress on the diffs/axles/birfs/etc. So for a street truck I think regearing the diffs is the right way to go. Havent done it myself, so that's just a speculation.

as afar as that t-case mounted E-brake goes? I loved it while it was on. It works about 1000% better than the stock thing, but on my spidertrax conversion the brake disc hung way down below everything else under the truck. I was always conscious of it and shied away from a lot of things, but one time I was impromptu trail leading and took a noob in a stock Wrangler down a trail I lost my stock virginity on and he chickened out about 200 feet in. I had to back up (1 lane trail with high banks) and the brake disc hit a high, broad rock and bananed. SCHRRECH! DING SDING DING DING!!!. I Limped to a flat spot on the trail and removed the brake disc. Loved how it performed, but it was ultimately a liability. Shame because I can't do the disc brake conversion without an alternative E-brake. I even have all the stuff to do it (calipers, mounts, prop vale, etc.)
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the more im readin and the more im thinking.....im thinking SPUA YJ's really is the way to go suspension wise...

i goofed when i was at the boneyard last time and tried to get a pair of tracker thirds for the 4.62's for my trail zuk and ended up with a 4.62 and a 4.30....

im thinkin i may go back and try to find another one of each and put the 4.30's in the DD zuk to compensate for the larger tires.....

i will probably build all my own mounts just because i can and im broke lol gives me a reason to use my torch....fire is cool huh huh huhuh huhu

thanks guys.....i figured a post like this would bring back some familier names...

seems everyone is buildin zuks to be the next offroad king....and forgetting about how fun they are to drive when they are modded closer to stock. i appriecate all the useful insight!! thanks guys!!

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Well Daxe saw what Zooky and I had done and didn't want to go huge.
The Yj's are still the best bang for the buck and can be had Cheap and the mounts made cheap also. leave the stock sway bar on the front and see how you like it. easy to take off if it binds/interferes.

Heck I am driving a 2" lifted X90 as a DD with re geared diffs to deal with my 235x75 tires and I love it. small can be good!
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think 4.30 gears will be too much to compensate for the 30/31's on the highway??

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