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post #11 of (permalink) Old 12-24-2003, 07:05 PM
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RE: GLOBAL WARMING IS A JOKE:

I'm not an enviromentalist wacko or a tree hugger but a little common sense may be something to think about relative to the global warming question. I have only one observation.

How many millions of years did it take to turn the primeval ooze laid down by all the little one cell planktons, alge and other decomposing life forms into either black oil, black coal or some other form of dark hydrocarbon ooze. If you can answer that question then answer this one. If it took millions of years for it to form in the first place and we humans are going to burn it all up in the short time since the industrial revolution began until it realistacally runs out say in about a 100 years or less. Where does all the CO2 and all the by-products that took millions of years to produce in the first place wind up? Is it resonable to assume that it all gets belched back into what we need to breath? It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, just a little common sense.

Like I said i'm not a enviromentalist wacko, but old Roush Limbaugh isn't either and maybe it's time to rethink why we produce HUMMER BUMMERS!.

It really is time to look into other forms of power so we can tell the camel jockey towel wearing head bangers to go jump into their on black ooze.
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Back to the question at hand...

Do you have lots of money (or an abundance of money and mechanical skills) to put into a diesel conversion? This conversion, while advantageous when applied to a wheeling vehicle, offers nothing more than low end torque and higher MPG for a daily driver.

From what I have read the 1.6 offers marginal gains As you indicated here) as compared to the 1.9 -- especially the 1.9 TD.

Conversion costs 1.9 TD vs 1.6 gas (8 or 16V):

The 1.9 diesel requires special motor mounts, transmission mods, a remanufactured flywheel and often the collection of accessory parts from several vehicles if you start out with a an engine from a front wheel drive VW.

The 1.6 requires a less than $200 conversion kit, an engine and, optionally, a 1.6 starter. If you stick with EFI, you need a converted wiring harness. If you go carbureted (Weber, etc.) you need an appropriate carb and adapter kit.

Useful resources:

Diesel conversion info:
yahoo group: samuraidiesel

Look at the links for more info

1.6 conversion info:

izook.com

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see i already have the 1.6L 8V and i want to put a diesel in it, a kit is under $500 buck for what you listed i needed to install the kit
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helpful hint here

first read the complete board for the sammie diesel listed in ack's post. and if this does not talk you out of it then you either have lots of money, or you dont need a dual purpouse vehicle

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not much diff between 1.6 8v gas or diesel

if you go diesel you have to go 35's for the mpg on the street but then the motor is not stong enough for the trails and you need around 31's to 32's then the torque is great and at trail use then you dont have to worry about the high rpm's

so i would do the 1.9 td or tdi before i did the 1.6 td

but for more bang for the buck do a 1.6 16v gas motor
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are you talking about tire size or miles per gallon i would get, i would really only use it for show and for summer driving and sometimes off road, i dont have much of that around here, not really hilly, muddy or rocky to use it for, i just dont think the 8v would do that great. unless someone can tell me other wise i am going to save the motor though and the computer
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i know this guy he did the swap and mostly for the 60 mile daily comute and all he got was high rpms and about 20 to 25miles per gallon
he was told to put 35's on but on big hills it would get slugish
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the guys at acme adapter told me to lower my gear ratio to drop to rpm down, and i only planed on running stock tire size, i might go to a 16 in rim to be able to go with taller tires
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here is my opinion on this:
If you are going to do this right, what you should do is get the kit for the tracker transmission. That way you could install the tracker (stronger and heavier flywheel) transmission/T-case. The tracker T-case has no high range reduction and will help greatly to bring the RPM's down to reasonable levels. If the low range is not enough, you could always do the Kicker2 and add a toyota T-case. The T-case would have a higher, centered output that could cause issues, but alot of guys are switching to toyota axles anyways. Yea, its starts getting pricy but I think if its to be done right thats the way to go
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like i said read all the post on the other board

one of the acme adapter owners is on the board it goes both ways

i just have to take all the info and go with your gut feeling

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Re: GAS OR DIESEL

Clarification:

I think Tracker92 is one of the new generation here -- he is working with a Tracker instead of a Samurai. (Most of us here wheel Samurais, Tracker92. With that in mind, hopefully you will forgive us for overlooking the subtle hints in your original post <font color="red">Tracker92 </font color>).

That piece of information known, Samuraidiesel and any information you can get through Acme adapters will help with your decision.

Also, check out the yahoo group offroadtech which is moderated by outlawmws. It has an excellent spreadsheet that calculates the various input/output properties of a drivetrain when changes are made in the differentials, transfer case and tire size. Just plug in the stock values that apply to your 92 Tracker and go from there.
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