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post #1 of (permalink) Old 12-22-2003, 01:54 AM
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Hey guys, this is my first post, so I hope I am not breaking any posting rules or anything... [img]images/graemlins/chair.gif[/img]
Either way, I have had my '88 Samurai for about 2 years now, everything stock as far as know. Up until now, its been a great second vehicle (unless you ask my girl) I am intrested in a minor restoration including beefing up the h/p & torque just a little, figuring out why I am only getting 17mpg, installing 3 inch susp. lift & 2 inch body lift and some 31" tires. Theres tons of other crap too, but you all know that. Since you guys are the pro's on Sammy's, I am asking for your input/suggestions. You think I could fit 31"s? Is there a larger fuel cell available?, Anyone heard anything about the Thorley Header?
Any suggestions are welcome, you guys know more about this than I do. You all seem pretty helpful to each other, like a family.
This just may very well be a legnthy project- so if anyone is intrested in following- I will get some pics soon.
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Welcome to the group. One of the best things on here is the search button. You being new are going to go through the same stuff most of us have gone through. Many of the things you have asked have been covered.
1) larger feul tank- Petroworks
2) header -search- many discussions
3} Mileage- tune-up timing valves- search
4) 31's with that combo-most likly
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The thorley is the nicest setup of all the headers .It has a large flange to seal up better and it seems to be the best quality vs the pacesetter and hedman setups . I havent seen a calmini in person though . If you want a lot more power plan on a motor swap , or spend a little on gears . I only make 12 mpg in my sammmi , not sure what the other guys are getting . I run a 4.89 tcase with 5.12s so I am winding to the moon .
And I would skip the body lift and go straight to a SPOA setup . It works really well and is well worth the extra time to install it . Then you can clear 31s easy even run 32s if you want . I have cj springs in the rear with sammi rears up front and I run 33s easy . The spoa actually rides nice too . It takes the edge off of the bumps in my zuk .
Last but not least where in VA are you ?
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Well thanks for your input on the tasks I have ahead of me. This really shouldn't be all thay hard. I have searched and searched- but this is the first time I have seen a larger fuel cell. This computer has it out for me. I am in Poquoson, Virginia (The Tidewater/Hampton Roads area). Thanks again guys! [img]images/graemlins/40BEER.gif[/img]
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I run the DT header and love it. Have to add a few more engine modifications to it to notice any real diference though. For power go gears just not too low if you want it road ready. Body lifts are the devil! No not realy but I hate them, I enjoy keeping a low COG (CENTER OF GRAVITY). I would go straight to SPOA these little trucks were made for it. Easiest swap/change I've made so far. Most importantly have fun with it [img]images/graemlins/RockOn.gif[/img]
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Re: First Sammy

Howdy Zukini! Welcome to the ORC BBS.

The only "rule" you broke is the "use the search" rule. It's not really a rule exactly, but since you're starting out it's inevitable you will ask the same series of questions that everyone else seems to.

The search function works great if you know how to use it. In the first box make sure you select the Suzuki Geo board. Then put in your search terms. For instance if you wanted to find out what people thought of the thorley header, you could put in the words 'thorley' and 'header' (Without the quotes of course)

Then the most confusing part. In the next box you have to pick "AND" instead of the default "entire phrase." This will cause the search to look for posts that contain both the words Thorley AND header. If you left it as "entire phrase" it would have to find the phrase "thorley header" to return a result. That may seem trivial, but if you are searching for a few different things at the same time it becomes very important. Make sure you have it search all the past posts, not just last week.

The great thing about searching is that you will get all the opinions expressedd on a subject instead of just the ones available from whoever happens to be around at this particular moment. Plus, a lot of the people who have been here a while have answered some of the basic questions about 500 times and won't do it anymore. The only way to get to their previous answers is to search for them.

End of 'use search' lecture.

Now, for your questions. A thorough tuneup is the first place to start with your 17mpg motor. If you're restoring then it makes sense to really go for everything on the motor, I'd say. PLugs, wires, dist cap and rotor, coil, pcv, EGR, oxygen sensor (low power and bad mileage?...bad O2 sensor defaults to full rich, I hear). Maybe a pain to get the old one out but you can get a generic replacement for under $20. Run some good fuel system cleaner through there, change the fuel filter (inside frame rail pass side near tank in back), make sure all your vac hoses are in good shape, change timing belt and set timing, adjust valves. Maybe do a compression test before you go through all that to see if it's still healthy.

But here's the real answer: drop in a 1.6 liter motor from a Tracker or Sidekick. The motors share a lot of architechture, but the 1.6 is a huge leap in power over the 1.3. A stock 1.6 will perform as well as a heavily modified 1.3 from what I've seen. You should be able to get a 1.6 by itself or in a part vehicle for what it would cost you to completely redo a 1.3 and add a header and stuff. Most of the major vendors sell a 1.6 converrsion kit with the adapter plate for the transmission and motor mount and other stuff you need. There are 16 valve and 8V versions of the 1.6 motor..the 8V swap is a little simpler but both require the use of the computer and wiring harness from the donor vehicle. The 16V better breathing at the top end but the 8V has good torque down low, like any other 8V vs. 16V setup.

I have heard as many people say the header was a waste of money as I have heard say it was wonderful. Most every one agrees that the sami benefits from moving up to a 2" exhaust from the cat back.

With the lift setup you described you can fit 31s, but I wouldn't suggest going with a 3" lift because that usually means springs. Lifted springs ride even harder than stock sami springs. You cant get 3" of lift with shackles. Everyone's suggestion about doing a basic SPOA (Spring Pad Over Axle) sounds good. It will get you at least 4" of lift and improve your ride with stock springs. Don't forget you will need steering correction and longer shocks, longer brake lines and possibly driveline spacers plus new shock mounts if you go this route. Still ends up better than spring/body lift combo if for no other reason than a better ride. You also have the options of adapting jeep cj springs to the sami and swapping sami rear springs for the fronts, or going for the longer, wider Wrangler YJ spring setup, which gives a very nice ride. Only a 2-3" of lift from either of those setups though.

You want to run 31s, which are usually 10.5 inches wide. You will need to get different wheels with less backspacing because 10.5" wide tires will catch the frame at full steering lock. If you want to stick to 30" tires you have a few advantages: you can use stock wheels and you will only need 2" of lit plus very minor body mods. Which brings me to another part of the equation: gearing

If you think your sami is gutless and slow with stock size tires, you are in for a rude suprise when you stick it on 31s. Be prepared to go about 30 mph in second gear up hills and have about 60 second 0-60 times. The bigger the tires the worse it will be.

The way to correct for this is either with ring and pinion changes in both axles or transfer case gears or both. No matter how you slice it you are going to be looking at about $400 or more.. Its not impossible to drive on large tires with a stock drivetrain, and some of it depends on where you live and how you are going to drive.

There is a larger gas tank available from Petroworks, too. Its 15 gal IIRC. Too steep for my taste though, I'd rather carry a 5 gallon gas can..plus it wouldnt fit inside my hardcore 4x4 gas tank skid plate.

Sometimes it gets good results on this board to let everyone know your budget and what you're trying to do with the vehcicle (mostly offroad, mostly highway, what kind of wheeling, etc.) we can suggest a course of action that saves you $ on useless mods and puts your $ where it makes the most sense.

Good luck and happy holidays,

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Re: First Sammy

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am in Poquoson, Virginia (The Tidewater/Hampton Roads area).

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HEy lets just send him over to Sean D's house!!!

You got one of the primo zuk fanatics in your backyard, zukini. Go talk with him. His name is Sean DeVinney and he goe by aftermarket4x4 on this bbs. Also:

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Wow- a lot of great information there- probably did just save me some cash. Yeah, I do believe that if it's okay with all of you, you will be seeing a lot of me...lol. Thanks for the useful material!
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88.5 Softop, Pony carb, GM Alt, GRS2, Mighty Kong, Minispool rear (soon lockright front), YJs SPUA (soon spoa), M/Ls all around, 30x9.5 MTs (soon 31x10.5 on 2" BS), Rancho 9000x shocks, (soon Power steering and 4 wheel disk brakes with spidertrax Tcase EBrake) Tracker seats, full diamondplate interior, 8K winch, TRailtough bumper, rock rails, pumpkin caps, etc etc etc
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WOW !!!!!!! What a list of mods. You the man. [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Jim
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WOW !!!!!!! What a list of mods. You the man.

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slowly but surely....what I think is very cool is that all the "coming soon" parts arent dreams, they are stuff I already have, I just need the time and place to get it all together. There's rumors of a winter fab fest but I dont want to make it into another daxapalooza where the thing revolves around my projects.

I forgot I also have knuckle over steering and a panhard bar that need to go on with the rest of it.

The rear disc brakes are maybe a fab fest project. I have a rear axle I am going to use that is out of the truck, so maybe I can just bring that and the "donor" front axle to get that all set up before I bolt the stuff in. I think the whole rear disc, SJ410 backing plate mod is something that would interest a lot of folks. I recall back at the very first fab fest I attended Yankee Tim had jsut done his rear discs and was showing them off to interested zukers.

fun fun fun. Now I have two trucks to play with. Still working minor bugs out of the tracker. I test fit the 30s on it yesterday and the only placce they contact are the very back of the front wheelwells while turning. Nothing a little BFHing can't fix. Put in a new O2 sensor and cleaned out the plugged up EGR and it was like strapping on a couple extra cylinders. Still gotta do the timing before I go back to get a smog sticker.

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