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post #1 of (permalink) Old 12-16-2003, 06:33 PM
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Hydraulic Steering?

Does anyone have any pictures of full hydraulic steering on their samurai? A list of what parts you used? Any suggestions?
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

On stock axles? If you search on Pirate you'll find dozens of pics but all big stuff.
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

Hmmm, nothing specific except that I'd not recomend hyd steering in a street rig. With hydro steer you will
have 0 road feedback to the steering wheel. Very bad if you ever get into a slide. You will have no chance
for recovery from a slide since you could only guess where the front wheels are pointed. I spun out my dads
blazer years ago, once on gravel and twice in the rain, and completely lost control of the POS all three times.
I was luky and landed on someones front lawn twice, and against a cur, once, without rolling it. My dad
was not so lucky and totlaled two different Blazers in endos both times. Its a creepy feeling to suddenly
feel like the front wheels are not touching the ground.

Bottom line. OK for crawler trial use, but not for anything modeate to high speed.

That said, someone on the BBS posted pics a year or so ago of a hydro steer. I didn't save them, but a
seach would probably turn them up.
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

My gear will be set-up for a bit more that 3 turns lock to lock and have the ability to do 55+. I think the big thing is having a balanced set-up. That means spending some serious money rather than going to the farm store or buying who-knows-what from Northern Tool.

Howe has gear that guys drive 70+ mph without problems and they're designing stuff for 140+ now. Station, from Pirate, directed me into the best set-up for what I'll be doing (at about half the price of Howe's BLINGY gear). I won't be scared to drive it to the trail or even to get gas because the equipment was designed for the purpose I needed.

I would recommend a hydro assist also, it can be had for a lot less and may suit you well for the tire size you have. What are your specs? What do you want to get out of it? Do you have PS already? I'd seriously research this because like mentioned above it could be dangerous on the street. Think of it this way. The faster your engine is turning the more responsive the steering will be on some/most set-ups. Plus the orbital valve needs to be considered and you want as close to stock wheel rotations if it'll see the street.

I am not claiming to know it all, that is why I did my HW and talked to guys that do know it all. Seek out Station he's a good guy. PM me if you need his #.

Good luck, Brent
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

Ferinstance (and this is a pretty weird ferinstance...)

Suppose you were designing an amphibious vehicle and you wanted to reduce holes in the hull that were carrying moving parts... Hydraulic would be a good choice except you would have the problem of control at road speeds as described above.

There were several rock crawlers at the ZookiMelt with hydraulic ram steering. The deal there was the fact that the driver input was multiplied several times at the steering system to gain control without developing "Popeye" arms in the process. Most of the trucks had no sheetmetal to speak of allowing the driver to see where the wheels were. Probably the most famous zuk crawler with ram steering is the Crustacean. 4 wheel steering. Cool.
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

try this azrockcrawler.com i think there is a write up on his setup on his site.
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Re: Hydraulic Steering?

mine has full hydro steer.
it WILL steer with the engine off
it only cost me about $175 or so for the ENTIRE setup(ram, vavles, hoses, cooler)
works great, yet to break ANYTHING
a few of you guys saw mine at zukimelt, i have since prettied the rig up some
parts i used out of a JD combine

it has held up fine pushing 38" tires
the rocks dont bother it, and it does not jerk the wheel at all.
hell, as some of you know, i acually run a steering wheel spinner.

its simple, dirt cheap, works great, i love it
i wouldnt use it on the street, but i don't care.
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