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Hey all, Im caught in a predicament. You see Im tired of my lack of power and slipping clutch when all I have is stock gearing on 31's. Im upgrading to toyota axles when I finish rebuilding them. Its either upgrade and convert fully over to a 16v motor, or buy sumo gears ( either combonation will also get a performance clutch), my plan is for 35's, and many people have told me the 16v would handle it very comfortably,others say spend your money on gears and even with the 16v you will need gearing etc. Keep in mind I see no rocks ever, just mud and some dirty hills, so one side of my mind pulls for a 16v motor, the other pulls for sumo gears..ok here it goes, what should I do, engine swap or transfer case?...either one will be done, but if I get 16v now then I will eventually get sumo's and vise-versa, but once I buy one the other one will be a while before its bought...
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Re: 16valve, or gears?

I was ready to tell you that it should be gears all the way until you said you never do rocks. The trails around here (new england) all have lots of rocks on them and the last thing you want with stock gearing is more power!! You need control to get over rocks, not power, in my opinion.

If you are doing mud, it is my understanding that you want wheelspeed most of all and that would be a good case for the power instead of the gears. Loose hills seem to be more about power than finesse, too.

go for the 16V. I love my gears and wouldn't trade them for any amount of power, but it's a diffferent style of wheeling than you do.

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Re: 16valve, or gears?

more power baby the 1.6 wins hands down since you never do rock

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Re: 16valve, or gears?

lol yes the most "crawling" it ever see's is over a tree stump etc. I never see any rocks, but in the future I would throw in a sumo transfer case, the fact of hte matter is, that this also will be a around town truck ( not daily driver completely) and I will want an engine or combination that will carry the 35's nicely...can the 16v perform that well?
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Re: 16valve, or gears?

Until the gears come, I imagine 5th will be as useless as 32s with the 1.3

This is my guess. I am on 32 TSLs right now and I can bark them pretty good in 2wl-hi on pavement. The issue of mud though is a combination of wheelspeed & torque. Sure you can boost torque by down shifting, but without the power, you won't spin the tires fast enough for the desired float and fling effect.

I imagine 4wl-lo will do most flat stuff, but man... 35s... REAL 35s like TSLs not BFGs that are really 33.5s or some other rediculous mismeasurement... The gears will keep the wheels turning... but very slowly. Meanwhile you sink and hope the increase of drag and muck doesn't cause something to pop off or poop out.
The engine will have a bigger pay off on the daily driver part. Though with tires that big you are going to kill clutches without a gearing change....

It's a circle... I wish you luck. I hope my meanderings offer some kind of help?

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Re: 16valve, or gears?

I have had simular thoughts Billy, ie - wether to power up or gear up for bigger tyres in mud.

Been following this post.

Just have to say thanks to the guys who can make things seem so clear in so few lines of post reply.

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Re: 16valve, or gears?

i can't imagine what "wheeling" a zuk even with a 16 valve engine would be like with 35s without some sort of help from gearing.
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Re: 16valve, or gears?

lol ya the only means of gearing I would have would be the 4.10 yoter axle gears, but we will see...
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