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swift better then 1.6\'er????

I noticed something when glancing at engine performance specs, it turns out, or so it seems, that the Swift GTI (1.3 16v dual overhead cam), engine puts out more then the suzuki 1.6 16v! Since the swift motor is pushing more and lighter, wouldnt it be a better upgrade then the 1.6? Please tell me someone has some dyno tests to prove this wrong cause otherwise, why would everyone go through hassle of 1.6 16v????
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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

The 16v DOHC 1300 in the Swift does put out 100hp, 5 more than the 16v 1600. However, it's a high-revving motor with low displacement, so it doesn't put out the low-end torque that the 1600 does. Unless you have real low gearing, you'd probably be better off with the 1600.

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Also, the 1.3 GT engine is a LOT more difficult to find whereas the 16Vs are all over the place.
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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

Well, I'll agree to all that except for one thing , rods . If you wheel it with a heavy foot , that 1.6's days are numbered . All it takes is to zing it once too often on a hill or in some mud and it's all over....
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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

Then take the best of both worlds. Bore out a GTI block to accept 16v pistons. It gets you to a 1.5 displacement while retaining the forged crank.
There are all kinds of this type of info on the Teamswift BBS. http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift
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But with the 1600 pistons you lose the high compression of the GTi pistons. You can get 40-overbore GTi pistons which are the same bore as the standard 1600 pistons, so you'll have the increase in displacement plus the high compression plus the strength of the GTi bottom end.

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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

if you plan on doing much mud running, steer clear of either of the 1.6's. over rev a 1.6 and their weak a$$ rods will shoot out the side of the block like a handgranade went off. i've seen far too many 1.6's with horrible rod and crank failures without even being pushed "hard". even a stock 1.3 8v can take more punishment than those one-legged dogs.
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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

I have yoters Im about to put under there, next I plan to run sumo gears, so 4.10's with sumo's the swift motor should push out right shouldnt it? I was talking to Scott last night and from the sounds of it the engine is all forged etc...Sounds like a stout little motor... Since Im already injected would all would be needed for the swap?
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Re: swift better then 1.6\'er????

gti heads use port injection. the injectors are in the side of the head. you will need a gti speed sensor to put into your zuk instrumentation, a complete gti engine, gti computer/ wire harness, water neck off a chevy sprint because the gti one points strait at the fire wall. a samurai water tube from back of water pump, sammy oil pan/oil pick up tube & dipstick and tube, sammy motor mounts and a custom or modified samurai hedder.

your efi zuk will use its stock fuel pump fine but wiring will be needed. your zuks tbi is far different from a gtis port injection. if you use a gti water pump you will need to use an electric fan. if you use a zuk one, you should be able to use a zuk fan clutch but they suck A$$ so use the electric fan.

you will also need to massage the fire wall a little bit with a ball peen hammer for disty clearance. this scares everyone but i did it and it is not a big deal. if you use any amount of skill on it the indentation will appear as if it was factory.

also, i have all the parts with the exception of the gti bottom end and custom header for sale if anyone needs pm me.
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